Is Wicked Being Wicked Again?????

[wacicha]

Also, I'm not being rude here, but why make out that your 'job' is so tough when you're a 'volunteer'. If you hate it that much, then nobody is shackling you to the post.

I am sorry I was unclear, DM I love my volunteer position. you may not want to know but I was pointing out How to try and understand what my Volunteering entails.

But take note What I do as mod is nothing compared to the rest of Team CC. Could I ever do wicked's job not on your life.
AND WOULD NEVER WANT TO. Nor Twills, or any of the other mods. Each mod has a place in the team. But we are all players trying to keep the guidelines in place.

[jbrettlip]

No Robin, not the first and not the last time I've made a mistake. After all, I'm human (last I checked). I will and do admit mistakes I've made. Why just yesterday, I made a major mistake in an ass game, which I'm expecting all 1's for because I deserve it!

this is the problem with policing the GD column. If Owenshooter posted this, the next post would be from Wicked stating, "stay on topic". This post and her others in this thread are NOT on the OP's original topic of forum moderation. Now it is my belief, that she is just continuing a conversation, and there is nothing wrong with that. But in reality, according to the rules, she has hijacked this thread and is off topic.

I say a rule change about thread hijacking is in order, and not a warning for Wicked. Which do you think will happen...probably Option C: warning for jbrettlip.

[wicked]

A couple definitions, written by twill himself...

Going Off Topic - Any post that does not fit with the Original Post of the thread, even if it fits with the previous post.

Thread Jacking or hijacking - Refers to the intentional attempt to change the topic of the thread to something which the hijacking poster would prefer.

So yes, even one-liners written as "p.s." can be an attempt at threadjacking... for example,

p.s.-can we start a forum rule that you can't start more than one thread a day if you:
1.-don't have a valid drivers license, and 2.-still have a curfew?

It's obvious that question had nothing to do with the size of maps, and was an attempt to change the conversation, which it did.

[jbrettlip]

A couple definitions, written by twill himself...

Going Off Topic - Any post that does not fit with the Original Post of the thread, even if it fits with the previous post.

Thread Jacking or hijacking - Refers to the intentional attempt to change the topic of the thread to something which the hijacking poster would prefer.

So yes, even one-liners written as "p.s." can be an attempt at threadjacking... for example,

p.s.-can we start a forum rule that you can't start more than one thread a day if you:
1.-don't have a valid drivers license, and 2.-still have a curfew?

It's obvious that question had nothing to do with the size of maps, and was an attempt to change the conversation, which it did.

So your reply to Robinette, in your esteemed judgment, is within the rules you just quoted? And how does Owenshooter's post in a completely different thread has anything to do with the OP's original question??? I hope Twill sees this, among the many other examples that are on the forum and realizes that while you are supposed to be enforcing rules, you don't actually grasp the concept of them!!

[wicked]

brett you're really grasping at straws there in an attempt to bait. Sorry, but I'm not going down that road. Carry on.

[Robinette]

So your reply to Robinette, in your esteemed judgment, is within the rules you just quoted? And how does Owenshooter's post in a completely different thread has anything to do with the OP's original question??? I hope Twill sees this, among the many other examples that are on the forum and realizes that while you are supposed to be enforcing rules, you don't actually grasp the concept of them!!

Oh come on... looks to me like another attempt to provoke... just put a 'Question Authority' bumper sticker on your hoopti and let it go.

[jbrettlip]

Grasping at straws is not a commonly used expression for when you show irrefutable evidence. YOU broke the very rules YOU quoted 2 posts prior. YOU are as guilty of this heinous crime as others on this forum are.

Personally, I think it is a stupid rule.

But you LOVE to enforce the "stay on topic". Can you please clarify for the obvious straw grasper, how you confirming you are human and made a mistake in the post to Robinette was within these rules you quote. I will save you some time....it isn't. That post was textbook off topic. You can accuse me of baiting or whatever, but I am just trying to make a point about the OP's original question about how this forum is moderated.

[wicked]

brett anyone can see the thread was about me and my supposed "abuse" and mistakes in moderation, which is the same complaint we get after the majority of the bans. I'm not going to debate this further with you, rather let everyone else make up their own minds.

[Fruitcake]

A couple definitions, written by twill himself...

Going Off Topic - Any post that does not fit with the Original Post of the thread, even if it fits with the previous post.

Thread Jacking or hijacking - Refers to the intentional attempt to change the topic of the thread to something which the hijacking poster would prefer.

So yes, even one-liners written as "p.s." can be an attempt at threadjacking... for example,

p.s.-can we start a forum rule that you can't start more than one thread a day if you:
1.-don't have a valid drivers license, and 2.-still have a curfew?

It's obvious that question had nothing to do with the size of maps, and was an attempt to change the conversation, which it did.

So your reply to Robinette, in your esteemed judgment, is within the rules you just quoted? And how does Owenshooter's post in a completely different thread has anything to do with the OP's original question??? I hope Twill sees this, among the many other examples that are on the forum and realizes that while you are supposed to be enforcing rules, you don't actually grasp the concept of them!!

Oh come on... looks to me like another attempt to provoke... just put a 'question authority' bumper sticker on your hoopti and let it go.

It may just look like an attempt to provoke to you, but your opinion is subjective.

What is at stake is more than this, and it surprises me you cannot understand why.

Just so that I stay on topic...I still think the mods are being Wicked.

[albertq]

jingle bells batman smells robin laid an egg?

not on your life! did i mean to type that, or was i making a 'mistake'? hard to tell in this power-crazy day and age, hard to tell..

[The1exile]

Why just yesterday, I made a major mistake in an ass game, which I'm expecting all 1's for because I deserve it!

At the risk of being done for potential thread-jacking or whatever, which part of the ratings of attendance, fair play and attitude did you warrant getting 1's for by making a stupid move?

That's the sort of thing the proposed skill rating (or whatever it's called) would be for.

[yeti_c]

I made a major mistake in an ass game, which I'm expecting all 1's for because I deserve it!

Is this a Euphemism? (Should that be "an Euphemism" -> Usually an precedes vowel words - but can also preceed vowel sounds (i.e. an hotel) but in this case does an preceed a vowel with a non vowel sound? (i.e. Yoofeemissem))

C.

[MeDeFe]

I made a major mistake in an ass game, which I'm expecting all 1's for because I deserve it!

Is this a Euphemism? (Should that be "an Euphemism" -> Usually an precedes vowel words - but can also preceed vowel sounds (i.e. an hotel) but in this case does an preceed a vowel with a non vowel sound? (i.e. Yoofeemissem))

C.

I think it's going off topic, and Wicked should give herself a warning for it.

And to ease the burden of your grammatical concerns, "a euphemism" is correct, because as you pointed out, although it is spelt with a vowel at the beginning it is not pronounced that way, and so far as I know pronounciation trumps spelling when it comes to a/an

[Robinette]

It may just look like an attempt to provoke to you, but your opinion is subjective.

What is at stake is more than this, and it surprises me you cannot understand why.

Just so that I stay on topic...I still think the mods are being Wicked.

Sure the Mods might be a tad wicked, but not half as wicked as some people are being towards the mods!

I've no axe to grind here... but it looks pretty obvious to me that there are some who do... and let me tell you, as an outsider looking in, it's not a pretty thing to see...

you can pass a cop on the road going 5, 10, sometimes even 15 mph over the speed limit.... but when you do get pulled over, bitching that it's not fair cause others were speeding just doesn't help you...

[MeDeFe]

It may just look like an attempt to provoke to you, but your opinion is subjective.

What is at stake is more than this, and it surprises me you cannot understand why.

Just so that I stay on topic...I still think the mods are being Wicked.

Sure the Mods might be a tad wicked, but not half as wicked as some people are being towards the mods!

I've no axe to grind here... but it looks pretty obvious to me that there are some who do... and let me tell you, as an outsider looking in, it's not a pretty thing to see...

you can pass a cop on the road going 5, 10, sometimes even 15 mph over the speed limit.... but when you do get pulled over, bitching that it's not fair cause others were speeding just doesn't help you...

Except that here the cops know everyone by name and can take their time deciding whether to pull people out or not.

[PLAYER57832]

First, I appreciate that there are folks out there monitoring the threads on their OWN time and much of the complaining is undeserved.

BUT, I have to agree that there could be more consistancy. I have been warned simply because I voiced an opinion that disagreed with some mods, while in the same thread others were allowed to use downright derogatory and insulting comments without remark.


I had one whole thread dismissed as "irrelevant" and "not worthy of consideration" by a mod who really and truly did not know anything about the subject ... and who could not be bothered to check and see if the information I had was correct.

I posted a comment in a definitely controversial thread, no doubt, but another person was allowed to take my words, twist them and then put it down as if it were a quote from me. That seems far WORSE than simply making off color or off track comments, yet it went completely unremarked.

I definitely understand that folks get tired of hearing over and over and over again the same complaints, but ten threads on dice go essentially unremarked, while other ideas that might have been mentioned a couple of months previous (eons in CC), are soundly denounced.

No human driven system will be fully equal, but there is enough discrepancy that perhaps some better clarification -- either for us, the community or privately concerning mod behavior (depending on the situation) is in order.

[MajorRT]

First, I appreciate that there are folks out there monitoring the threads on their OWN time and much of the complaining is undeserved.

BUT, I have to agree that there could be more consistancy. I have been warned simply because I voiced an opinion that disagreed with some mods, while in the same thread others were allowed to use downright derogatory and insulting comments without remark.


I had one whole thread dismissed as "irrelevant" and "not worthy of consideration" by a mod who really and truly did not know anything about the subject ... and who could not be bothered to check and see if the information I had was correct.

I posted a comment in a definitely controversial thread, no doubt, but another person was allowed to take my words, twist them and then put it down as if it were a quote from me. That seems far WORSE than simply making off color or off track comments, yet it went completely unremarked.

I definitely understand that folks get tired of hearing over and over and over again the same complaints, but ten threads on dice go essentially unremarked, while other ideas that might have been mentioned a couple of months previous (eons in CC), are soundly denounced.

No human driven system will be fully equal, but there is enough discrepancy that perhaps some better clarification -- either for us, the community or privately concerning mod behavior (depending on the situation) is in order.

Well said ; I agree and "on topic"! (there have been many "controversial" off-topic determinations as of late)

[Pedronicus]

Look - there are only a few mods, and there is tons of shit to wade through on these forums.
If you don't like what they do either leave the site or don't post in the forums.

If they piss you off hard luck. I was given a ban once, and I don't piss them of or give them reason to have a pop at me anymore. If your bag is to antagonize mods then you're a twat.
If you want to know how hard any job is in CC - organise a tournament and see what a drain on your time that is, then multiply it by 10 for being a mod.

[fwblb]

I have seen some double standards... some things I read, I think are great, I enjoy it. I just can't understand why they are locked, posters banned, and all this turmoil is created. From where I am standing, it is certain individuals that are being targeted. Granted, they have a history, but if they are behaving (for the most part), having fun, and not annoying a ton of people, just let it go. That is what makes the forum fun.

Now, I am off to garden because this is all sorts of stressful.

[Fruitcake]

Look - there are only a few mods, and there is tons of shit to wade through on these forums.
If you don't like what they do either leave the site or don't post in the forums.

If they piss you off hard luck. I was given a ban once, and I don't piss them of or give them reason to have a pop at me anymore.

That is your choice pedro, just as it is our choice to ask the question if they are being unjust or not being balanced in their approach. We are not saying 'No moderation'. We are saying, if anyone is going to be a mod, then they must realise they will be judged by the community they moderate, fact.

We believe there is an inbalance and we have tried to show this happening with an almost regular monotony. It is our right to continue this, whether those who do so are given bans or not. I do not think the way forward is to shrivel up and be afraid if one gets a ban, or anything else, the freedom of the western world was built on exactly the opposite principles to those you espouse.

[Pedronicus]

the freedom of the western world was built on exactly the opposite principles to those you espouse.

The way this place is moderated is no different from the streaky dice.
You can moan about it, but nothing will change because there isn't too much else available.

You either put up with it or leave. - You are free to leave the site if you're unhappy, therefore you have freedom.

[antony.trupe]

Perhaps this should go in Suggestions; feel free to move.
Why not have a forum(or part of forum) that's not moderated. Perhaps make it community hosted.

[Fruitcake]

the freedom of the western world was built on exactly the opposite principles to those you espouse.

The way this place is moderated is no different from the streaky dice.
You can moan about it, but nothing will change because there isn't too much else available.

You either put up with it or leave. - You are free to leave the site if you're unhappy, therefore you have freedom.

Staggering reply. I am at a complete loss for words.

I wonder...have you really thought about what you have written there?

[cicero]

Perhaps this should go in Suggestions; feel free to move.
Why not have a forum(or part of forum) that's not moderated. Perhaps make it community hosted.

Not into Bugs & Suggestions!! Please no!!
(Seriously the thread is fine where it is.)

The least moderated forum here, as far as I can tell, is Flame Wars. Though I can see that wouldn't suit the general purpose of "unmoderated debate".

Outside Flame Wars the site owners/leaders have decided that they want the site moderated in line with the Forum Guidelines and they ask members to volunteer their time to join a moderation team to do that.

It's a team I have only just joined, but I can assure you that the whole raison d'etre of the moderation team is to maintain and improve the site which we're all arguing so passionately about and in the process confirming that we care passionately about. I would suggest that, without moderation, the site would soon decay into something which we wouldn't care for in the same way and would happily leave without stopping to consider whether our freedom to choose was something we wished to exercise or not.

The Forum Guidelines and their consistent implementation is something that the site leaders - and the volunteer members they have asked to assist them - have a vested interest in - as demonstrated by their ownership/leadership or volunteering of their time. Where those guidelines are flawed, inconsistent in themselves, or inconsistent in their implementation no-one - no mod, no specific mod, no site owner - has anything to gain from failing to address that. And it is my experience, albeit relatively minimal to date, of the site owners/leaders and the volunteer team they have assembled that where there is inconsistency or improvement to be made they want it to be achieved as much as everyone else does.

There have been off-shoot externally hosted CC forums, though of course with no official CC moderation or sanction, in the past - I'm sorry I have no links and don't know if any are still operating or, in fact flourishing - but the reason we're discussing this so passionately here is because this is where we want to be ... isn't it?

[ctwong1]

Received a PM from Wicked, so I have changed the name and subject of the thread. Please feel free to re-vote, with the new subject matter. You may refer to the first post of the thread. HA

Subject: Are the "Global" Mods Being Wicked Again?????

I'm curious as to how many of you out there in CC land think the "Global" Mods are being Wicked, I mean abusive of their Mod powers?

Why bring the other global mods down with your attack on me? You don't need to hide what's blatantly obvious.

Just curious, w/o looking, do you even know who the other globals mods are?