Is Wicked Being Wicked Again?????

[ctwong1]

Perhaps this should go in Suggestions; feel free to move.
Why not have a forum(or part of forum) that's not moderated. Perhaps make it community hosted.

Not into Bugs & Suggestions!! Please no!!
(Seriously the thread is fine where it is.)

The least moderated forum here, as far as I can tell, is Flame Wars. Though I can see that wouldn't suit the general purpose of "unmoderated debate".

Outside Flame Wars the site owners/leaders have decided that they want the site moderated in line with the Forum Guidelines and they ask members to volunteer their time to join a moderation team to do that.

It's a team I have only just joined, but I can assure you that the whole raison d'etre of the moderation team is to maintain and improve the site which we're all arguing so passionately about and in the process confirming that we care passionately about. I would suggest that, without moderation, the site would soon decay into something which we wouldn't care for in the same way and would happily leave without stopping to consider whether our freedom to choose was something we wished to exercise or not.

The Forum Guidelines and their consistent implementation is something that the site leaders - and the volunteer members they have asked to assist them - have a vested interest in - as demonstrated by their ownership/leadership or volunteering of their time. Where those guidelines are flawed, inconsistent in themselves, or inconsistent in their implementation no-one - no mod, no specific mod, no site owner - has anything to gain from failing to address that. And it is my experience, albeit relatively minimal to date, of the site owners/leaders and the volunteer team they have assembled that where there is inconsistency or improvement to be made they want it to be achieved as much as everyone else does.

There have been off-shoot externally hosted CC forums, though of course with no official CC moderation or sanction, in the past - I'm sorry I have no links and don't know if any are still operating or, in fact flourishing - but the reason we're discussing this so passionately here is because this is where we want to be ... isn't it?

Yay Cicero!!!!

[antony.trupe]

Perhaps this should go in Suggestions; feel free to move.
Why not have a forum(or part of forum) that's not moderated. Perhaps make it community hosted.

Not into Bugs & Suggestions!! Please no!!
(Seriously the thread is fine where it is.)

I meant my post.

I've only recently started actively participating in the forums, so I'm not sure what all happened that has some people up in arms about some moderators actions. Anyone able to elaborate on specific actions that where taken that they're upset about?

[Scott-Land]

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[ctwong1]

You know there are the same amount of letters in Wicked as there are in Bitchy. Coincedence or Conspiracy???? Haha, was that off topic?

[wcaclimbing]

Perhaps this should go in Suggestions; feel free to move.
Why not have a forum(or part of forum) that's not moderated. Perhaps make it community hosted.

Not into Bugs & Suggestions!! Please no!!
(Seriously the thread is fine where it is.)

I meant my post.

I've only recently started actively participating in the forums, so I'm not sure what all happened that has some people up in arms about some moderators actions. Anyone able to elaborate on specific actions that where taken that they're upset about?

nothing big happened, just a few people overreacting because a few people just got banned, and the mods send warning PMs to people when they break the rules. not that big of a deal.

So now everyones freaking out that the mods are abusing their powers
Doesn't seem that big of a deal, guys. The mods are doing a pretty good job. Just relax a bit and don't focus so much on the negative stuff.

[Fruitcake]

Perhaps this should go in Suggestions; feel free to move.
Why not have a forum(or part of forum) that's not moderated. Perhaps make it community hosted.

Not into Bugs & Suggestions!! Please no!!
(Seriously the thread is fine where it is.)

I meant my post.

I've only recently started actively participating in the forums, so I'm not sure what all happened that has some people up in arms about some moderators actions. Anyone able to elaborate on specific actions that where taken that they're upset about?

nothing big happened, just a few people overreacting because a few people just got banned, and the mods send warning PMs to people when they break the rules. not that big of a deal.

So now everyones freaking out that the mods are abusing their powers
Doesn't seem that big of a deal, guys. The mods are doing a pretty good job. Just relax a bit and don't focus so much on the negative stuff.

I was not aware you were cognisant of the full facts WCA, perhaps you can enlighten us all seeing as you obviously know so much. After all, you have made some sweeping statements there.

[MajorRT]

Perhaps this should go in Suggestions; feel free to move.
Why not have a forum(or part of forum) that's not moderated. Perhaps make it community hosted.

Even another possibility is to have the OP(Original poster) watch over the thread, making sure it's on topic, not flaming etc. The OP could ask for a mod's help if so needed to enforce.
Remember how strong or successful an organization, company ,or club is determined by the PEOPLE....it's the variation in personalities , some off-color, some even a-holes that make the forum interesting.....remember we come here(esp the forum) for social interaction between games or turns, not to be bored or banned...

[Herakilla]

i need cheese and crackers to read this thread.... but im all out so i guess i cant read it anymore

[Ditocoaf]

the freedom of the western world was built on exactly the opposite principles to those you espouse.

The way this place is moderated is no different from the streaky dice.
You can moan about it, but nothing will change because there isn't too much else available.

You either put up with it or leave. - You are free to leave the site if you're unhappy, therefore you have freedom.

Staggering reply. I am at a complete loss for words.

I wonder...have you really thought about what you have written there?

IF you're seriously comparing CC to a country, you need to gain some perspective. Almost any club you join will have rules--so you're more restricted within that club, but it's a f-----ng <edited by wacicha> choise you made when you joined the club! Online games are not a necessity to life, therefore this site is free to package it however they like.

You pay to enter a theater. The fact that you're not allowed to play basketball in the theater, does not eliminate your rights--you're free to play basketball. Just don't do it in the f-----ng <edited by wacicha> theater.

[Fruitcake]

the freedom of the western world was built on exactly the opposite principles to those you espouse.

The way this place is moderated is no different from the streaky dice.
You can moan about it, but nothing will change because there isn't too much else available.

You either put up with it or leave. - You are free to leave the site if you're unhappy, therefore you have freedom.

Staggering reply. I am at a complete loss for words.

I wonder...have you really thought about what you have written there?

IF you're seriously comparing CC to a country, you need to gain some perspective. Almost any club you join will have rules--so you're more restricted within that club, but it's a f-----ng <edited by wacicha> choise you made when you joined the club! Online games are not a necessity to life, therefore this site is free to package it however they like.

You pay to enter a theater. The fact that you're not allowed to play basketball in the theater, does not eliminate your rights--you're free to play basketball. Just don't do it in the f-----ng <edited by wacicha> theater.

First off. You need to learn to tone your language down in GD, Flame wars is where that takes place.

Second. You need to learn to spell.

Third. Where did I say I was comparing cc to a country? I was merely making a point.

Fourth. The site is free as you put it. However, Some decisions may be the the detriment of the community at large. It is the duty of that community to protect itself from oppressive decisions.

Fifth (thats the little finger of your hand by the way). It goes without saying you are not allowed to play your game in the theatre, however, it is your right to criticise the show in a public place should you so wish.

[Pedronicus]

Staggering reply. I am at a complete loss for words.

I wonder...have you really thought about what you have written there?

ffs it's a $20 a year non hasbro approved risk site. Do you expect Henry Kissinger to moderate the forums for your measly twenty bucks?

[Fruitcake]

Staggering reply. I am at a complete loss for words.

I wonder...have you really thought about what you have written there?

ffs it's a $20 a year non hasbro approved risk site. Do you expect Henry Kissinger to moderate the forums for your measly twenty bucks?

Nope.

[ctwong1]

First of all, I am amazed at the turnout of posts on the thread I created. I didn't expect to make it past one page. Figured it would have been locked down.

Second, Wicked

Subject: Is Wicked Being Wicked Again?????

You know there are the same amount of letters in Wicked as there are in Bitchy. Coincedence or Conspiracy???? Haha, was that off topic?

You're dancing dangerously close to that flaming line. Believe it or not, I'm not here to ban you, and don't want to have to ban you. I'd much prefer no one ever gave any mod any reason to whip out the ban stick. So let's keep the discussion civil, not degrading into attacks, then we won't have to go down that road, ok?

You are a hypocrite. I have read many of your fine posts, where you call people fags, whiners, and stupid. I've also seen where you've locked down threads at your whim, without warning to the thread. For you to ask me to keep it civil is almost beyond comprehension. So Flame on, you are still pain in the ass. Judging by the poll so far, I'll take the 12 that refuse to answer as a "yes", there are a lot of people that would agree that Twill needs to pull back the leash on you. Woof Woof Woof. HA.

[Ditocoaf]

IF you're seriously comparing CC to a country, you need to gain some perspective. Almost any club you join will have rules--so you're more restricted within that club, but it's a f-----ng <edited by wacicha> choise you made when you joined the club! Online games are not a necessity to life, therefore this site is free to package it however they like.

You pay to enter a theater. The fact that you're not allowed to play basketball in the theater, does not eliminate your rights--you're free to play basketball. Just don't do it in the f-----ng <edited by wacicha> theater.

First off. You need to learn to tone your language down in GD, Flame wars is where that takes place.

Sorry about that... got a little carried away.

Second. You need to learn to spell.

One typo ("choise")... but I am appropriately ashamed. I usually pride myself in using proper spelling and grammar.

Third. Where did I say I was comparing cc to a country? I was merely making a point.

I was interpreting your statement to be considering loss of freedom in CC as comparable to loss of freedom in a country.

Fourth. The site is free as you put it. However, Some decisions may be the the detriment of the community at large. It is the duty of that community to protect itself from oppressive decisions.

This is a web site that is owned by lackattack. It is not our duty to tell him (or the people he has assigned to help him) how to run his website. This is only a "community" in that we all use this tool provided by lackattack to communicate with each other.

Fifth (thats the little finger of your hand by the way).

Your condescension and wit are appreciated.

It goes without saying you are not allowed to play your game in the theatre, however, it is your right to criticise the show in a public place should you so wish.

This is not a public place, however. This is a private "club" that you have joined. This is, according to that metaphor, inside the theater (this is the American spelling of the word, btw. "criticise" isn't proper anywhere.). You would be free to leave the theater and write a letter to the editor about it, or distribute a pamphlet, or whatever you want to do. But the theater itself has no obligation to let you complain loudly in the lobby.

However, notice that CC is allowing you to complain as much as you want about how it is run. This doesn't mean that they're going to change things for you.

EDIT: I do agree that Wicked is often quite a hypocrite. She tries to be "just another fun member", but then jumps back into her Mod duties on random whims. But to act like this one bad mod is some injustice against your freedoms is just plain ridiculous.

[MeDeFe]

Actually, "criticise" is a proper way of spelling the word, not everyone adheres to your american imperialistic wishes regarding total and world-wide control over spelling.

And to stay within the metaphor and on topic, dito, we all are at once scriptwriters, audience, performers, directors and (some of us) financers of this theatre, lack's just the guy who owns the building and fixes the drains every now and then. Sure, an important person, but not the be-all and end-all.

[Ditocoaf]

Actually, "criticise" is a proper way of spelling the word, not everyone adheres to your american imperialistic wishes regarding total and world-wide control over spelling.

And to stay within the metaphor and on topic, dito, we all are at once scriptwriters, audience, performers, directors and (some of us) financers of this theatre, lack's just the guy who owns the building and fixes the drains every now and then. Sure, an important person, but not the be-all and end-all.

oh crap
Apologies for forgetting another international spelling change...

Well, lack's the guy who built the building, owns it, runs the projectors, and wipes up the vomit. We're only financiers in that we paid for our ticket.

What do you mean by calling us the "scriptwriters, performers, and directors"? I can kind of see where you're going with this, but I need a little more explanation...

[wacicha]

Please take a breath. This seems mostly on topic

Forum Guidelines

These guidelines are just that – guidelines. The CC staff try to take a fairly hands off approach to moderation but will step in if you get abusive, trollish or really bloody annoying. These are simple requests, please heed them and play nice.



It is the Get abusive part that is being stepped on ever so Slightly (ok maybe more than Slightly).

I edited out the F word in all post's I believe. If you want or need to take it to the next level OP (ctwong1) I can move it to flame wars for you.

Or we can police ourselves and keep it informative forfor the cause you believe in.

[wicked]

I challenge you all to be 100% consistent in your decisions for the next two years, and have these decisions publicly criticized in the atmosphere of a dynamic environment, changing leadership, changing policies, and a place where non-actions on things you don't even see are assumed to be your actions. Ready? Set! Go! I'll check back with you after one of those years.

I'm as consistent as I can be, with what I see. If I wasn't, rest assured twill would let me know. Everyone who doesn't like any decision made here is going to attack it, no matter who made it, because they consider themselves wronged, even though they might not be seeing the whole picture. They'll get their friends and clansmen to back them to create a bigger stink, and ignore any naysayers, but in the end, the dust will settle and we'll move on and hopefully even go play a game or two.

p.s.. you need the "of course, it's her name!" option for the poll.

[PLAYER57832]

I have never had a problem with Wicked. I have, however, seen a good deal of inconsistancy.
That will always lead to issues. Folks can deal with strict rules and easy rules, but when there are different rules for different people ... no one really knows what to follow.

It is true that the openness of the forums is part of what makes them attractive, but some folks could just plain use some manners lessons ... and maybe if those things were spelled out just a bit better it would be easier on everyone. Mods included.

[pimphawks70]

I have never had a problem with Wicked. I have, however, seen a good deal of inconsistancy.
That will always lead to issues. Folks can deal with strict rules and easy rules, but when there are different rules for different people ... no one really knows what to follow.

It is true that the openness of the forums is part of what makes them attractive, but some folks could just plain use some manners lessons ... and maybe if those things were spelled out just a bit better it would be easier on everyone. Mods included.

pretty much my line of thinking

[deliaselene]

Subject: Is Wicked Being Wicked Again?????

You know there are the same amount of letters in Wicked as there are in Bitchy. Coincidence or Conspiracy???? Haha, was that off topic?

You're dancing dangerously close to that flaming line. Believe it or not, I'm not here to ban you, and don't want to have to ban you. I'd much prefer no one ever gave any mod any reason to whip out the ban stick. So let's keep the discussion civil, not degrading into attacks, then we won't have to go down that road, ok?

well I see you just banned Wong...that is consistent..a bandit a day...

[owenshooter]

They'll get their friends and clansmen to back them to create a bigger stink, and ignore any naysayers, but in the end, the dust will settle and we'll move on and hopefully even go play a game or two.

i assume this statement is about me? i had nothing to do with this thread, and nothing has been posted in the BpB forum about creating threads like this. actually, since twill visited the BpB forum to keep the peace, i have had nothing to say and have agreed to keep my mouth shut. simply, i have nothing to say, because we, the BpB's, are working on a formal request for moderators to be subjected to the same rules and regulations that we are all, when visiting the forums as users. and that they be held accountable for abuse of their power, which is often the case. a few words of wisdom, just because you are able to do something, does not make you correct. please refrain from quoting me further in this trashy thread or alluding to me in any manner. i have absolutely nothing to say to you. if you want to talk, PM me, and you know exactly where that will end up. have a nice evening. and again, i have had nothing to do with this thread. my clan is looking at the larger picture involving mod's abuse of power. i suggest you look at your actions as both a user and a mod. someday, you may have to enjoy a time out handed to you by someone with more authority on this site than you have.-0

[wicked]

I was talking in generalities, with what usually happens whenever someone is banned, or a decision is made that someone on the site doesn't like. If you took it as a dig at you, it wasn't. It's just a common pattern many fall into.

[whitestazn88]

They'll get their friends and clansmen to back them to create a bigger stink, and ignore any naysayers, but in the end, the dust will settle and we'll move on and hopefully even go play a game or two.

i assume this statement is about me? i had nothing to do with this thread, and nothing has been posted in the BpB forum about creating threads like this. actually, since twill visited the BpB forum to keep the peace, i have had nothing to say and have agreed to keep my mouth shut. simply, i have nothing to say, because we, the BpB's, are working on a formal request for moderators to be subjected to the same rules and regulations that we are all, when visiting the forums as users. and that they be held accountable for abuse of their power, which is often the case. a few words of wisdom, just because you are able to do something, does not make you correct. please refrain from quoting me further in this trashy thread or alluding to me in any manner. i have absolutely nothing to say to you. if you want to talk, PM me, and you know exactly where that will end up. have a nice evening. and again, i have had nothing to do with this thread. my clan is looking at the larger picture involving mod's abuse of power. i suggest you look at your actions as both a user and a mod. someday, you may have to enjoy a time out handed to you by someone with more authority on this site than you have.-0

yo, did anyone just see this?

owen came back and beat her with a vengance!
(although he is still ignoring my pm's...)

[Mycroft73]

I challenge you all to be 100% consistent in your decisions for the next two years, and have these decisions publicly criticized in the atmosphere of a dynamic environment, changing leadership, changing policies, and a place where non-actions on things you don't even see are assumed to be your actions. Ready? Set! Go! I'll check back with you after one of those years.

Been there. So what's the problem?