[Deadpool] A new private civil discussion forum

[black elk speaks]

If you wanna be in this forming clan, then do it and post it here.

I do want to join it, but so far my membership requests have not been answered.

it is with great regret that I inform you that you have not been accepted into the clan. feel free to try back again another time.

thanks,

[Juan_Bottom]

it is with great regret that I inform you that you have not been accepted into the clan. feel free to try back again another time.

thanks,

See, I told you guys that ELK wasn't the bad guy. It is my understanding that he can be a decent human being too. And there he was, trying to help DM get in.

[Dancing Mustard]

it is with great regret that I inform you that you have not been accepted into the clan.

That is sad news indeed. May I enquire why?

[mandyb]

it is with great regret that I inform you that you have not been accepted into the clan.

That is sad news indeed. May I enquire why?

I'll tell you.
They're afraid...very afraid.

[Snorri1234]

it is with great regret that I inform you that you have not been accepted into the clan.

That is sad news indeed. May I enquire why?

I'll tell you.
They're afraid...very afraid.

It's because they know we would win.

[mandyb]

it is with great regret that I inform you that you have not been accepted into the clan.

That is sad news indeed. May I enquire why?

I'll tell you.
They're afraid...very afraid.

It's because they know we would win.

Which would make any discussion redundant and their forum, purposeless.
I guess you can understand their concern.

[black elk speaks]

really, its because you think that the forum is about winning and losing. its not. its not about mockery or ripping people apart, its about understanding other people's views and self discovery. at least, that's how i see it.

[mandyb]

really, its because you think that the forum is about winning and losing. its not. its not about mockery or ripping people apart, its about understanding other people's views and self discovery. at least, that's how i see it.

In that case, I don't understand why you can't give everyone who wants to participate, a chance to do so.
Your mod is able to expel undesirables at the touch of a button. If rules get broken - kick them out.
I honestly don't see the problem here.

[Snorri1234]

really, its because you think that the forum is about winning and losing. its not. its not about mockery or ripping people apart, its about understanding other people's views and self discovery. at least, that's how i see it.

I don't want to rip people apart, I want to rip arguments apart. Especially when those arguments are based on stupid.

[black elk speaks]

really, its because you think that the forum is about winning and losing. its not. its not about mockery or ripping people apart, its about understanding other people's views and self discovery. at least, that's how i see it.

I don't want to rip people apart, I want to rip arguments apart. Especially when those arguments are based on stupid.

peoples arguments are based on beliefs. one belief is no more or less stupid than the next in a lot of cases. Mostly it is how we individually perceive the world around us. the civil discussion is not about ripping apart people or their arguments, its about understanding. you would need to significantly evolve your thinking before you would be welcomed there.

But please, continue to berate the group at its gates. its typical of the extremely liberal minded, i find.

[comic boy]

really, its because you think that the forum is about winning and losing. its not. its not about mockery or ripping people apart, its about understanding other people's views and self discovery. at least, that's how i see it.

I love the smell of cheating multis attempting to take the moral high ground

[Snorri1234]

really, its because you think that the forum is about winning and losing. its not. its not about mockery or ripping people apart, its about understanding other people's views and self discovery. at least, that's how i see it.

I don't want to rip people apart, I want to rip arguments apart. Especially when those arguments are based on stupid.

peoples arguments are based on beliefs. one belief is no more or less stupid than the next in a lot of cases.

There are a whole lot of stupid beliefs. If someone beliefs the earth is a flat circle resting on the backs of four elephants who in turn rest on a giant turtle which flies through space, then I can point out that that is a very stupid belief that is inherently stupider than the belief that we're on a huge ball of earth and rock and nuclear reactions. None of that "every belief is equal" shit that is so frequently used to defend ones own right to hate and belittle others. When someone says being gay is a sin and all gays should be locked up or treated so as to safe them from hell, I go right ahead and call that person a fucking bigot.

Respect for whatever silly thing you believe in has to be earned.

Mostly it is how we individually perceive the world around us.

Then what the perceive is wrong.

Actually, a lot of the time it is not how someone perceives the world, but how someone thinks the world is and starts perceiving it that way while ignoring evidence to the contrary.

the civil discussion is not about ripping apart people or their arguments, its about understanding. you would need to significantly evolve your thinking before you would be welcomed there.

I already understand perfectly what the arguments are and what they mean. A discussion or debate is about the arguments themselves and not about what kind of twisted childhood had made you believe those things.

But please, continue to berate the group at its gates. its typical of the extremely liberal minded, i find.

Weeeeeee, ad hominem.


Allright, I'm going back to my communismbuddies and discuss how we will eliminate religion and convert every country to a marxist superorgy. Afterwards, I'm gonna have gaysex.

[black elk speaks]

beliefs are beliefs till they can be proven otherwise. i believe that i said "one belief is no more or less stupid than the next in a lot of cases. " which i believe is true. a belief is based on what a person has experienced in their past, including hearsay. my experiences lead me to believe that i cannot discredit someone's belief because of my own experiences mainly because i cannot account for the vast majority of his or her experiences. what i find disturbing about you is that in just about every post, whether you do it for comedic value or because you are just an ass hole, you seek to demean the other person. as hominem, as it were. talking with you is not enlightening or even entertaining. frankly, i find it simply annoying.

[black elk speaks]

beliefs are beliefs till they can be proven otherwise. i believe that i said "one belief is no more or less stupid than the next in a lot of cases. " which i believe is true. a belief is based on what a person has experienced in their past, including hearsay. my experiences lead me to believe that i cannot discredit someone's belief because of my own experiences mainly because i cannot account for the vast majority of his or her experiences. what i find disturbing about you is that in just about every post, whether you do it for comedic value or because you are just an ass hole, you seek to demean the other person. as hominem, as it were. talking with you is not enlightening or even entertaining. frankly, i find it simply annoying.

furthermore, it seems to me that you insult people who's opinions or beliefs differ from your own. I believe that is one of the biggest complaints that the communist/leftists of the world hold as one of the biggest complaints against the christian community. i find you highly hypocritical in this regard since you seem to be so scathing towards people with opposing beliefs to your own. you would rather insult someone with an opposing view rather than change their mind.

[comic boy]

Mockery can actually be a very effective way of getting some people to at least take a hard look at their beliefs, no point arguing logically with a fruitloop who thinks snakes talk or that lots of guns make the world safer.
So do you prefer this new name to your old one Mr Lion ?

[black elk speaks]

Mockery can actually be a very effective way of getting some people to at least take a hard look at their beliefs, no point arguing logically with a fruitloop who thinks snakes talk or that lots of guns make the world safer.
So do you prefer this new name to your old one Mr Lion ?

i actually find that mockery is really just a way to put the other person on the defense and cause a fight rather than a debate. mocking someone is a real good way to have the other person think "since this guy is really just a big ass hole, his arguments are full of failure"

as for your lion remarks, simply file your complaint with the abuse and cheating forum and have the moderators investigate it there. i am no longer entertaining the notion that i am a multi in forum discussion. it is absurd.

[comic boy]

Mockery can actually be a very effective way of getting some people to at least take a hard look at their beliefs, no point arguing logically with a fruitloop who thinks snakes talk or that lots of guns make the world safer.
So do you prefer this new name to your old one Mr Lion ?

i actually find that mockery is really just a way to put the other person on the defense and cause a fight rather than a debate. mocking someone is a real good way to have the other person think "since this guy is really just a big ass hole, his arguments are full of failure"

as for your lion remarks, simply file your complaint with the abuse and cheating forum and have the moderators investigate it there. i am no longer entertaining the notion that i am a multi in forum discussion. it is absurd.

Yep people with closed minds generally think like that, no need for me to file a multi complaint as you are already being investigated

[black elk speaks]

Yep people with closed minds generally think like that...

vague, what do you mean?

no need for me to file a multi complaint as you are already being investigated

its been over 2 weeks since anyone reported this. it must be going well.

[Snorri1234]

beliefs are beliefs till they can be proven otherwise.

But that's just it, isn't it? I do not consider an opinion valid untill I see evidence, while you are saying the exact opposite. Without any logical or rational reasoning, or solid evidence, I see no reason to give any respect to a belief simply because it's a belief.

a belief is based on what a person has experienced in their past, including hearsay. my experiences lead me to believe that i cannot discredit someone's belief because of my own experiences mainly because i cannot account for the vast majority of his or her experiences.

But I do not care about someone's experiences. A belief should not be based on experiences like that. Because noone can relate truly to another persons' experiences, they are to be exempt from debate. If your experiences have lead you to believe hardcore capitalism is the only good way for society to go, it will make me wonder how on earth that could ever be, but it won't suddenly make me start respecting you more. I discredit the belief on it's logical or rational stuff, not on whether that person has an "experience" that made him change his view.

what i find disturbing about you is that in just about every post, whether you do it for comedic value or because you are just an ass hole, you seek to demean the other person.

I'm a little of both. But I do not seek to demean the person, I seek to demean the belief. When people say stupid shit all the time, I'm going to respond with saying what they just said is stupid all the time. I could respond with respect to someone who appears to show not an ounce of respect to me or other beliefs, but frankly that is not how I roll. (Or how I sit behind my screen and type silly nonsense, whatever.)

furthermore, it seems to me that you insult people who's opinions or beliefs differ from your own.

I am not insulting them. Insulting their misguided beliefs maybe, but that's their fault for holding them.

And ofcourse I "insult" beliefs of people who don't agree with me. They insult my "beliefs" by merely posting their ignorant bullshit.

I believe that is one of the biggest complaints that the communist/leftists of the world hold as one of the biggest complaints against the christian community.

Ah, so you don't think it's insulting to me to be lumped with communists?

i find you highly hypocritical in this regard since you seem to be so scathing towards people with opposing beliefs to your own. you would rather insult someone with an opposing view rather than change their mind.

Unless someone shows he is debating with civility and a willingness to listen, I do not bother to change someone's mind. I have talked to CA and Widowmakers in a civil way because they truly acted like they actually listened and took my points into consideration. They earned respect, and I hope I earned their respect.

Also, please for once stop trying to lump me in with your silly american liberals. I never complain about someone insulting someone else.

[black elk speaks]

beliefs are beliefs till they can be proven otherwise.

But that's just it, isn't it? I do not consider an opinion valid untill I see evidence, while you are saying the exact opposite. Without any logical or rational reasoning, or solid evidence, I see no reason to give any respect to a belief simply because it's a belief.

a belief is based on what a person has experienced in their past, including hearsay. my experiences lead me to believe that i cannot discredit someone's belief because of my own experiences mainly because i cannot account for the vast majority of his or her experiences.

But I do not care about someone's experiences. A belief should not be based on experiences like that. Because noone can relate truly to another persons' experiences, they are to be exempt from debate. If your experiences have lead you to believe hardcore capitalism is the only good way for society to go, it will make me wonder how on earth that could ever be, but it won't suddenly make me start respecting you more. I discredit the belief on it's logical or rational stuff, not on whether that person has an "experience" that made him change his view.

what i find disturbing about you is that in just about every post, whether you do it for comedic value or because you are just an ass hole, you seek to demean the other person.

I'm a little of both. But I do not seek to demean the person, I seek to demean the belief. When people say stupid shit all the time, I'm going to respond with saying what they just said is stupid all the time. I could respond with respect to someone who appears to show not an ounce of respect to me or other beliefs, but frankly that is not how I roll. (Or how I sit behind my screen and type silly nonsense, whatever.)

furthermore, it seems to me that you insult people who's opinions or beliefs differ from your own.

I am not insulting them. Insulting their misguided beliefs maybe, but that's their fault for holding them.

And ofcourse I "insult" beliefs of people who don't agree with me. They insult my "beliefs" by merely posting their ignorant bullshit.

I believe that is one of the biggest complaints that the communist/leftists of the world hold as one of the biggest complaints against the christian community.

Ah, so you don't think it's insulting to me to be lumped with communists?

i find you highly hypocritical in this regard since you seem to be so scathing towards people with opposing beliefs to your own. you would rather insult someone with an opposing view rather than change their mind.

Unless someone shows he is debating with civility and a willingness to listen, I do not bother to change someone's mind. I have talked to CA and Widowmakers in a civil way because they truly acted like they actually listened and took my points into consideration. They earned respect, and I hope I earned their respect.

Also, please for once stop trying to lump me in with your silly american liberals. I never complain about someone insulting someone else.

i think you miss the point. you are abrasive in the way that you make and break people's points. that isn't what this clan is about. its about asking the question "why do you believe what you believe". it takes away the assumption that you are correct all of the time and that anyone who does not believe as you do is a moron. you don't know any better than anyone else.

i am sorry snorri, but i don't feel like debating this with you any longer. you will have to evolve before you are permitted into the clan. accepting this fact is likely the first step for you. you should seek change, both in your self and in others. mockery may be cool and funny to you and comic boy, but it has no place inside this clan.

[comic boy]

Sounds about right doesn't it, never mind that you are an accused liar and cheat, providing you say nice things about Christianity then you are welcome to our smug little club

[black elk speaks]

Sounds about right doesn't it, never mind that you are an accused liar and cheat, providing you say nice things about Christianity then you are welcome to our smug little club

accusations are just that, accusations. i am not a christian and don't understand your comments. you also never expanded on what i asked clarity for earlier, so there is just deeper confusion coming from you. i just don't have time for it.

[Snorri1234]

i think you miss the point. you are abrasive in the way that you make and break people's points. that isn't what this clan is about. its about asking the question "why do you believe what you believe".

Then people should say that instead of claiming it's a "discussion"-forum.

it takes away the assumption that you are correct all of the time and that anyone who does not believe as you do is a moron. you don't know any better than anyone else.

Yes I do.

i am sorry snorri, but i don't feel like debating this with you any longer. you will have to evolve before you are permitted into the clan. accepting this fact is likely the first step for you. you should seek change, both in your self and in others.

Damn dude, you make it sound like I'm some sort of drug-addict.


The reality of your clan, it seems, is that any criticism is unwanted. Unless ofcourse it is for those dirty, filthy, unwashed liberals/commies/atheists/conspiracy believers/non-patriots. Because you are free to talk about "typical liberal/communist hypocrisy" and being an obnoxious cunt, but god forbid someone else does it! Everybody is free to join, provided they don't say anything when you and your buds slap eachother on the buttocks for another racist and spitefull post well done. It's really an awesome little community you have there, just don't call it a fucking discussion forum if there is no discussion.

[Dancing Mustard]

i am sorry snorri... you will have to evolve before you are permitted into the clan.

But I thought that this was a clan for people who don't believe in evolution?

[Iliad]

really, its because you think that the forum is about winning and losing. its not. its not about mockery or ripping people apart, its about understanding other people's views and self discovery. at least, that's how i see it.

I don't want to rip people apart, I want to rip arguments apart. Especially when those arguments are based on stupid.

peoples arguments are based on beliefs. one belief is no more or less stupid than the next in a lot of cases.

There are a whole lot of stupid beliefs. If someone beliefs the earth is a flat circle resting on the backs of four elephants who in turn rest on a giant turtle which flies through space, then I can point out that that is a very stupid belief that is inherently stupider than the belief that we're on a huge ball of earth and rock and nuclear reactions. None of that "every belief is equal" shit that is so frequently used to defend ones own right to hate and belittle others. When someone says being gay is a sin and all gays should be locked up or treated so as to safe them from hell, I go right ahead and call that person a fucking bigot.

Respect for whatever silly thing you believe in has to be earned.

Mostly it is how we individually perceive the world around us.

Then what the perceive is wrong.

Actually, a lot of the time it is not how someone perceives the world, but how someone thinks the world is and starts perceiving it that way while ignoring evidence to the contrary.

the civil discussion is not about ripping apart people or their arguments, its about understanding. you would need to significantly evolve your thinking before you would be welcomed there.

I already understand perfectly what the arguments are and what they mean. A discussion or debate is about the arguments themselves and not about what kind of twisted childhood had made you believe those things.

But please, continue to berate the group at its gates. its typical of the extremely liberal minded, i find.

Weeeeeee, ad hominem.


Allright, I'm going back to my communismbuddies and discuss how we will eliminate religion and convert every country to a marxist superorgy. Afterwards, I'm gonna have gaysex.

Has someone been reading Discworld lately

BES I still have no idea why we can't be added and why we can't be kicked out if we break the rules. I believe there was this little thing called innocent until proven guilty.