The Mediterranean Basin [Recycling Bin]

[MrBenn]

Sorry to do this to you guys, i will pick this up later on but right now this is on a temporary Vacation

In that case... moved into temporary retirement.

When you're ready to continue, one of the CAs will be able to help put the thread back into the Foundry system

Mr B

[samuelc812]

Here is Version 7

A few changes that i have made include:

• I have redone the entire map as the other map was getting a tad confusing
• I hae merged a few territs and added Switzerland in order to make space
• Added better mountains
• I have decided against the Mediterranean Bonus and all that
• I have split the middle East into 2 bonuses as well

Things to Discuss

• Your thoughts on Capitals as easy bonuses
• Speculative Mediterranean links

[bigimg]http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s237/samuelc812/MediterraneanBasinV7.jpg[/bigimg]

[oaktown]

welcome back to the real world.

[Digital Jihad]

Doesn't a bonus of 8 for the yellow area seem a tad bit high? Kinda liked the 5 or even 6 better. Also though it depends on connections with the islands though.

[samuelc812]

I have worked all these bonuses out on WM's bonus spreadsheet, the reason yellow is significanlt high is because it will be connected to so many other areas and therefore will be harder to hold

[oaktown]

While I liked where the old graphics were going, I appreciate your desire to make this easier to work with until you iron out the basics of the map.

Personally, I'd like to see fewer territories that aren't actually on the Med. Some of those interior Saharan territories - Tindouf, Ardrad, etc. - don't strike me as beng particularly 'Mediterranean.' And having been to the 'fairy chimneys' I can tell you they are just tiny portion of the very large territory... something simpler, like Central Anatolia perhaps?

Were you thinking you'd make the Peloponese (sp?) a territory, or a part of Greece? I'd like to see it as a territory, as it is at least as significant historically as, say, Malta.

[Digital Jihad]

I have worked all these bonuses out on WM's bonus spreadsheet, the reason yellow is significanlt high is because it will be connected to so many other areas and therefore will be harder to hold

True in next update maybe show connections.

[samuelc812]

While I liked where the old graphics were going, I appreciate your desire to make this easier to work with until you iron out the basics of the map.

Personally, I'd like to see fewer territories that aren't actually on the Med. Some of those interior Saharan territories - Tindouf, Ardrad, etc. - don't strike me as beng particularly 'Mediterranean.' And having been to the 'fairy chimneys' I can tell you they are just tiny portion of the very large territory... something simpler, like Central Anatolia perhaps?

Were you thinking you'd make the Peloponese (sp?) a territory, or a part of Greece? I'd like to see it as a territory, as it is at least as significant historically as, say, Malta.

Edited

As for The Valley of the Fairy Chimneys i will change it to Central Anatolia, is the Peloponese what part is that the hand like part under greece if so yes it is a part of greece unless you would like it as it's own territory

[samuelc812]

Gameplay:

• I have added the Nile as an impassable in Egypt
• New bonuses, The Capitals of Africa and The Capitals of Europe

Current Version 8

[bigimg]http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s237/samuelc812/MediterraneanBasinV8.jpg[/bigimg]

A few changes that i have made include:

• New Mountains
• Added The Nile as an impassable in Egypt
• Eliminated 3 Algerian territories as Oaktown suggested
• Added Capitals as bonuses
• Added Mediterranean Connections

[MrBenn]

Hmmmm.... Switzerland doesn't quite look right - I wonder if it's because the northern edge should border Germany not Austria?

My biggest concern remains the geography... In my mind the Mediterranean Basin is only the (bits of) countries that are right on the coast:

[tim02]

Great map, looks good.

The only thing that bothers me is that when I tried to make one they got angry because it would be to much like the Europe map, Now we have Europa aswell and you're allowed to make this.

[samuelc812]

Hmmmm.... Switzerland doesn't quite look right - I wonder if it's because the northern edge should border Germany not Austria?

I did eliminate Germany to try and make room for Switzerland since it looked a bit odd switzerland not being there, if you think germany needs to be put back should i eliminate Austria or Switzerland??

My biggest concern remains the geography... In my mind the Mediterranean Basin is only the (bits of) countries that are right on the coast

MrBenn and the rest of you who have already asked this question, As i said in the introduction:

Notice this is not a map about the Mediterranean Sea but of the Mediterranean Basin, and yes there is a difference. If i was to make a map about the Mediterranean Sea, it would of course not include countries that do not share the Mediterranean Sea as a border. This map is of the Mediterranean Basin, which refers to the lands around the Mediterranean Sea that have a Mediterranean climate, with mild, rainy winters and hot, dry summers, which supports characteristic Mediterranean forests, woodlands, and shrub vegetation. This does include some countries like Ukraine and parts of lower Germany.

[Skittles!]

To me, this map is too dark. The colour of the water makes it almost impossible to read the territory names and connections of the islands. Maybe just lighten it up.

No offence intended, but when I saw Austria next to Switzerland like that, it made me cringe. Possibly, what you should do, is make Austria smaller, increase the size of Switzerland, and to the north of Switzerland, where that little overhang of Austria is, just make it dead land.

I only did a brief overview, so this is all I got at the moment.

[MrBenn]

My biggest concern remains the geography... In my mind the Mediterranean Basin is only the (bits of) countries that are right on the coast

MrBenn and the rest of you who have already asked this question, As i said in the introduction:

Notice this is not a map about the Mediterranean Sea but of the Mediterranean Basin, and yes there is a difference. If i was to make a map about the Mediterranean Sea, it would of course not include countries that do not share the Mediterranean Sea as a border. This map is of the Mediterranean Basin, which refers to the lands around the Mediterranean Sea that have a Mediterranean climate, with mild, rainy winters and hot, dry summers, which supports characteristic Mediterranean forests, woodlands, and shrub vegetation. This does include some countries like Ukraine and parts of lower Germany.

Did you not look at the map I posted?

Or this map from the Mediterranean Basin page on Wikipedia

Or this image from a google image search..

[samuelc812]

Yes i did see your map/s, it just doesn't seem to make a good map for playing on, nevertheless to conform to the desires of certain people i will see what i can do

[MrBenn]

... it just doesn't seem to make a good map for playing on...

That's my concern with the geography of the Mediterranean Basin... you'll either get something playable but with messed up geography, or you'll get accurate geography that isn't playable...

[samuelc812]

Maybe if i changed the name of the map, then the map i have now could somehow come back

[samuelc812]

I have decided to make this a small map like Madagascar and Doodle Earth, with Standard Gameplay, with no impassables and only 19 territories. Comments??

Current Version 9

[bigimg]http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s237/samuelc812/MediterraneanBasinV9.jpg[/bigimg]

[MrBenn]

Personally I think that 24 should be the bare minimum number of territories...

[spiesr]

If Portugal is not a territory it should be there but be greyed out like the rest of the unplayable land...
Because Spain looks wierd without it...

[Simonian Emperor]

Is the map done already?

[Achilles1234]

well i was thinking that a better name for the map might be like the Roman Empire or somthing along those lines

[samuelc812]

There is already a map being made of the Roman Empire...

[samuelc812]

Ok here is Version 10, as Mr Benn requested there are now 25 teritories, and i have added Portugal in as a greyed out area.

I have also added the Capitals back in.

[bigimg]http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s237/samuelc812/MediterraneanBasinV10.jpg[/bigimg]

[samuelc812]

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