since there are two comps, how will the voting work?
Will it be one big poll that holds both contests, or two separate threads?
Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by oaktown on Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:42 pm
Central America thread here...
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by wcaclimbing on Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:00 pm
I want to see the CenterScape submissions.
Where is Gimil?
Where is Gimil?
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by whitestazn88 on Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:31 pm
wcaclimbing wrote:since there are two comps, how will the voting work?
Will it be one big poll that holds both contests, or two separate threads?
apparently 2 separate threads
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by oaktown on Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:41 pm
whitestazn88 wrote:wcaclimbing wrote:since there are two comps, how will the voting work?
Will it be one big poll that holds both contests, or two separate threads?
apparently 2 separate threads
Yeah, since gimil accepted the centerscape entries we're waiting on him to post that thread... my mistake perhaps for setting the deadline as midnight, gimil-time.
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by wcaclimbing on Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:43 pm
oaktown wrote:whitestazn88 wrote:wcaclimbing wrote:since there are two comps, how will the voting work?
Will it be one big poll that holds both contests, or two separate threads?
apparently 2 separate threads
Yeah, since gimil accepted the centerscape entries we're waiting on him to post that thread... my mistake perhaps for setting the deadline as midnight, gimil-time.
I hope will be seeing them tomorrow morning then (gimil noon-time)
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by oaktown on Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:41 am
Alright, now that the maps are posted and folks are looking and voting, it has been suggested that we allow updates. I'm still coming up to speed on the idea and how it would work, but I'm listening. At first I thought edbeard wanted to allow folks time to present their maps prior to the start of voting, but now I'm hearing that we should allow mid-voting changes - as often as one per day - based on the feedback that mapmakers are getting. Am I hearing this right?
I agree that allowing changes at this point would probably result in higher quality maps, but given that we've already begun and that this constitutes something of a rules-change, whatever system we come up with should be agreed to by the mapmakers... if somebody can suggest something quickly I will PM them and see if there are any objections.
I would also like to remind you that any changes at this point requires me to upload and update the images - I don't really want to have to keep checking my inbox every hour to keep up with constant changes. Maybe one change, due by a specific time on Saturday?
Next time I set up a competition this will be on my radar and we can plan for changes in advance.
I agree that allowing changes at this point would probably result in higher quality maps, but given that we've already begun and that this constitutes something of a rules-change, whatever system we come up with should be agreed to by the mapmakers... if somebody can suggest something quickly I will PM them and see if there are any objections.
I would also like to remind you that any changes at this point requires me to upload and update the images - I don't really want to have to keep checking my inbox every hour to keep up with constant changes. Maybe one change, due by a specific time on Saturday?
Next time I set up a competition this will be on my radar and we can plan for changes in advance.
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by samuelc812 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:48 am
I don't think it's a good idea...
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by e_i_pi on Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:53 am
I don't see a problem with it, though I understand the workload factor for oaktown. I think the competition could benefit from at least 1 update during voting.
Asi it stands, 3 maps have a lot of votes, and look likely to go through, the other 2 are short on votes. I think the competition could hot up if we allowed an update mid-voting, though the rules would have to be set out. I think if people have made the effort of putting together a map, but it hasn't got many votes, they should be given the benefit of the doubt, and allowed an update to woo the crowd (of course, this update should be available to all mapmakers to keep the playing field even).
Asi it stands, 3 maps have a lot of votes, and look likely to go through, the other 2 are short on votes. I think the competition could hot up if we allowed an update mid-voting, though the rules would have to be set out. I think if people have made the effort of putting together a map, but it hasn't got many votes, they should be given the benefit of the doubt, and allowed an update to woo the crowd (of course, this update should be available to all mapmakers to keep the playing field even).
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by samuelc812 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:10 am
Actually i say yes it is a good idea 
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by RjBeals on Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:13 am
I don't think there is a need for updating during round-1. Personally - I'm not voting based on a finished map, but a theme or style. I know there's going to be a round-2, where the updates will be applied based on feedback received so far. I really don't think allowing updates will change anything - I can almost guarantee that it will not change my vote.
Since the accomplished map makers were not in the central america comp, we could have been asked (PM'd) to provide feedback before the deadline. I would have looked at someones map and given some critique.
Since the accomplished map makers were not in the central america comp, we could have been asked (PM'd) to provide feedback before the deadline. I would have looked at someones map and given some critique.
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by ZeakCytho on Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:08 am
I think any map with a certain number of votes (above 10? 20? Some number we decide based on the total number of votes) should progress to round 2 and have a chance to make changes in between.
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by bryguy on Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:44 am
i think that its a good idea to let people update their entries.
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by RjBeals on Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:55 am
Is gim still having problems with his internet connection? Aren't the centerscape maps suppose to be posted today?
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by wcaclimbing on Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:12 am
RjBeals wrote:Is gim still having problems with his internet connection? Aren't the centerscape maps suppose to be posted today?
They are supposed to be posted today.....
I think its about 3:12 PM where he lives, so maybe he just hasn't had his CC-time yet.
Most of his posts around here are closer to 5pm his time, so I'm guessing the images will be up in an hour or two....
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by e_i_pi on Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:14 am
wcaclimbing wrote:RjBeals wrote:Is gim still having problems with his internet connection? Aren't the centerscape maps suppose to be posted today?
They are supposed to be posted today.....
I think its about 3:12 PM where he lives, so maybe he just hasn't had his CC-time yet.
Most of his posts around here are closer to 5pm his time, so I'm guessing the images will be up in an hour or two....
I so can't wait to see the entries
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by MrBenn on Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:56 am
No sign of life in the gimil camp 
For what it's worth, I'm not sure there's a need for mid-round voting, particularly as it is a phased competition. Think of it as an early X-factor round, where your voting to save your favourites, rather than to pick an outright winner.
Any changes that occur mid-vote are always going to be contentious, as it might give prefernece to the mapmaker with the most spare time, rather than the best idea/draft, as people may be more likely to respond to something they can see devleloping?
Perhaps for a future competition, we could set a deadline for initial submissions. Phase 1 could then be a non-voting period for responding to feedback etc. and then we could have the voting round(s)?
For what it's worth, I'm not sure there's a need for mid-round voting, particularly as it is a phased competition. Think of it as an early X-factor round, where your voting to save your favourites, rather than to pick an outright winner.
Any changes that occur mid-vote are always going to be contentious, as it might give prefernece to the mapmaker with the most spare time, rather than the best idea/draft, as people may be more likely to respond to something they can see devleloping?
Perhaps for a future competition, we could set a deadline for initial submissions. Phase 1 could then be a non-voting period for responding to feedback etc. and then we could have the voting round(s)?
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by bryguy on Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:51 pm
just now reading back on the entire conversation for this (its difficult reading it from 2 threads.... 
) and i keep my earlier statement that i like the idea, but i like someones idea that the contestants should be allowed to make one update to their projects.
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by wcaclimbing on Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:05 pm
Gimil responded to my Centerscape submission over 4 hours ago, but there's still no voting thread. wtf?
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by gimil on Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:37 pm
wcaclimbing wrote:Gimil responded to my Centerscape submission over 4 hours ago, but there's still no voting thread. wtf?
Jeez guys!
I didn't have time earlier on to post the competition. Im getting onto it now
What do you know about map making, bitch?
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by RjBeals on Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:41 pm
gimil wrote:wcaclimbing wrote:Gimil responded to my Centerscape submission over 4 hours ago, but there's still no voting thread. wtf?
Jeez guys!
I didn't have time earlier on to post the competition. Im getting onto it now
You should have had the post already created in notepad. Just copied and pasted it.
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by pepperonibread on Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:42 pm
gimil wrote:wcaclimbing wrote:Gimil responded to my Centerscape submission over 4 hours ago, but there's still no voting thread. wtf?
Jeez guys!
I didn't have time earlier on to post the competition. Im getting onto it now
There's been some rioting in your absence.
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by yeti_c on Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:53 pm
Jeez Gimil - hurry it up.
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by whitestazn88 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:59 pm
gimil wrote:wcaclimbing wrote:Gimil responded to my Centerscape submission over 4 hours ago, but there's still no voting thread. wtf?
Jeez guys!
I didn't have time earlier on to post the competition. Im getting onto it now
look gimil, i know you're a busy guy with school or whatever ( i think you're in school, right?)
but a promise is a promise!!!!
i'll be filing an e-ticket for mod abuse by the guy in blue....
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Re: Holiday Mapmaking Competitions!
by oaktown on Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:38 am
Headlines are up for both maps... hopefully that brings in some more traffic.
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