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porkenbeans wrote:OK, heres' the deal. Chips map rank is not perfect. I will agree with you on that. Although I believe that it will get better, as a result of these discussions.
This thread is not meant for that reason though. I do not want to fight that battle here. This thread is merely a place to gather information, if it suits you. The information is specifically, WHO ARE THE TOP EQULITARIANs'. If you want to argue the merits or lack there of, of this stat, This is not the place. There are a few that would like to know this information. What knowledge is gleaned from said info. is up to each individual. If you find no useful information here, move along. No amount of pissing and moaning is going to get it removed. And I will continue to post updates, as I have time for.
thanx for the bump.
porkenbeans wrote:You should think about taking your argument to chip. He wrote Map Rank, not me. I do not know what formula he used, and I do not care. I am only playing the reporter. Truth be known, I too have some issues with M.R. but this is the tool that i have to work with. so it will continue to be the source for the post.
FabledIntegral wrote:porkenbeans wrote:I will add this as well, If you are going to use a point collecting system as CC does now, Then it would be easy for a Person to N.F. his way to the top, and once there with a huge stack of points, simply switch and start playing only his N.F. brothers. This would only reward the Noob Farmer.Fruitcake wrote:sully800 wrote:For the relative rank to have better meaning I think it needs to weight the more recent games more heavily. The real scoring system does this because the points you win are based on your current score. So even the players who win a battle royale or get a point reset get back to their "real" sustainable score in not very long.
The RR does not take this into consideration at all though. If one of the noob farmers ever wanted to start playing fairly they wouldn't be able to get back to an EQ rank unless they dropped their score severely. Past actions have too much of an effect on the current RR I think.
I disagree. It should be reflection on your complete history at cc as a player. If one of the noob farmers ever wanted to start playing fairly and had to drop their rank score severely, then so be it, that's the price to be paid. They need only then start playing it by the book and they would recover the EQ rank or close to it.
Then by your logic if he didn't deserve to be at the top, he wouldn't be able to compete with other top players? Then wouldn't his score drop? Terrible logic - absolutely terrible. How can you expect someone to maintain his rank against other top players without winning? And if he did win - shouldn't he deserve his score since he can compete with the rest of the top players?
You are assuming that once they get to the top they will be playing other peers that would in fact be too good for them. This would not be the case if they played their N.F. brothers that have farmed their way to the top, and they have just as little skill as they do. I have already said this. I do not understand why some of you can not grasp this very simple fact. another thing, it does not matter how high a persons RR is. The goal is not to have the highest RR. Only to maintain at least an E.Q. This means that the E.Q. leaderboard is Farmer free. Chips formula can be debated. And, my advice would be to make it very easy for the average player to be able to maintain an E.Q. status. taking in to account the increased difficulty it is to maintain as you approach the top ranks. This list shows that it can be done if you do not Noob Farm. And that is why I posted it. There are, I imagine, thousands of players that look at the CC leaderboard and say to themselves, man, I don't ever stand a chance to be Conquer, or even make it to the first page. Unless I adopt the N.F. strategy. When this realization occurs, many just get disillusioned and quit. That is not the game that they came here to play.sully800 wrote:FabledIntegral wrote:porkenbeans wrote:I will add this as well, If you are going to use a point collecting system as CC does now, Then it would be easy for a Person to N.F. his way to the top, and once there with a huge stack of points, simply switch and start playing only his N.F. brothers. This would only reward the Noob Farmer.Fruitcake wrote:sully800 wrote:For the relative rank to have better meaning I think it needs to weight the more recent games more heavily. The real scoring system does this because the points you win are based on your current score. So even the players who win a battle royale or get a point reset get back to their "real" sustainable score in not very long.
The RR does not take this into consideration at all though. If one of the noob farmers ever wanted to start playing fairly they wouldn't be able to get back to an EQ rank unless they dropped their score severely. Past actions have too much of an effect on the current RR I think.
I disagree. It should be reflection on your complete history at cc as a player. If one of the noob farmers ever wanted to start playing fairly and had to drop their rank score severely, then so be it, that's the price to be paid. They need only then start playing it by the book and they would recover the EQ rank or close to it.
Then by your logic if he didn't deserve to be at the top, he wouldn't be able to compete with other top players? Then wouldn't his score drop? Terrible logic - absolutely terrible. How can you expect someone to maintain his rank against other top players without winning? And if he did win - shouldn't he deserve his score since he can compete with the rest of the top players?
My point exactly. If a farmer had a high rank because they beat up noobs, then when they start playing their equals they would achieve EQ status but with a much lower ranking. Their score goes toward the "expected" score for playing high ranking members, so their EQ status should do the same if you would like to improve this scoreboard. It's not a fault with chip's script because this was not the original intention of his script.
This change would prevent people from getting a very high EQ in low ranking games and then increasing their score so they have a high rank with EQ status. It would make the RR pertinent to the games that they currently play (though I agree that there should still be an RR for the lifecycle of games). Anyway, this thread is intended just to be a leaderboard and not suggestions of how to make that leaderboard more meaningful.
I am sorry, but I simply ran mrs' starting at the top of the leaderboard. As I worked my way down, I only included those with E.Q. status, as this is the E.Q. LEADERBOARD. I did not run any in depth analysis on each player. I will leave that up to Chip to figure out. It is his baby. I would like to acknowledge all of his effort. I myself do not believe that it is quit there yet. But it is the only tool that I have, so I will have to rely on it for better or worse. I have also acknowledged repeatedly, that I do not care how high a persons RR is. Only that he maintains an E.Q. rating. To me the only thing this tool is good for is weeding out farmers, so that we can see where the true Risk talent lies. As it is now, it may be raking away some that are not N.F.s'. That is to say, and I have said it before, many can raise their RR without to much effort. There is one thing that I can say with confidence. There are no Noob Farmers on this list. Fab. says that they could farm to the top and then play each other. I agree. But, they would have to play thousands upon thousands of games to bring there RR up to E.Q.Thomas.Paine wrote:Not that I think that relative rank is all that useful- considering there is nowhere for mine to go but down and mine is only high because of all the games before I became a general- but what exactly is your rationale for ignoring my high score and e.q. rank? Relative rank needs to be examined in context to be useful and if each case needs to be examined within individual context, how exactly do you plan to use it to create a scoreboard for 20,000 users?
FabledIntegral wrote: I am better than Jarrett, and we played the exact same style of games.
jarrett155 wrote:FabledIntegral wrote: I am better than Jarrett, and we played the exact same style of games.
this page seems to disagree http://www.conquerclub.com/public.php?mode=scoreboard
I do not care what Chip said. No insult intended. The purpose of which he wrote it, is not my concern. He apparently does not want to get in the middle of this war, and I can understand that. But the Gennie is out of the bottle. I have not lied about, or twisted the data in any way. I have only reported, using his tool, The top E.Q. players at CC. I am sorry that you are not on the list, Fab. And however Chip modifies M.R., I don't think that you will ever be on it. So what. Why does this anger you so ? You are not an Equilatarian. Get over it and move on. This will be my last response to you. Unless you can the childish name calling. I have better things to do with my time left on this earth than to argue with a spoiled brat.FabledIntegral wrote:God you're retarded. Chip already stated in this thread that the map rank wasn't meant for use like this rather it was for a specific person that gave a specific request. Because if you use it in the manner which you are using you'll get invalid results. Moron.
And if you're too retarded to figure out what Thomas said before me, he IS an Equalitarian. His RR is .96. He's not on your list. I wasn't aware what he said was even able to be interpreted differently. Yet he claims the only reason he's EQ isn't because he got to a high rank and played high rankers, it's because he was a low rank that played his own peers then got CM and shot up the ranks (or so I imagine as I'm the one that told you about CM Thomas when we played and you got it shortly after, if I'm wrong I apologize).
jarrett155 wrote:i guess the fact that i climbed 3 ranks in a week when i came back doesnt show ive gotten better?
porkenbeans wrote:I do not care what Chip said. No insult intended. The purpose of which he wrote it, is not my concern. He apparently does not want to get in the middle of this war, and I can understand that. But the Gennie is out of the bottle. I have not lied about, or twisted the data in any way. I have only reported, using his tool, The top E.Q. players at CC. I am sorry that you are not on the list, Fab. And however Chip modifies M.R., I don't think that you will ever be on it. So what. Why does this anger you so ? You are not an Equilatarian. Get over it and move on. This will be my last response to you. Unless you can the childish name calling. I have better things to do with my time left on this earth than to argue with a spoiled brat.FabledIntegral wrote:God you're retarded. Chip already stated in this thread that the map rank wasn't meant for use like this rather it was for a specific person that gave a specific request. Because if you use it in the manner which you are using you'll get invalid results. Moron.
And if you're too retarded to figure out what Thomas said before me, he IS an Equalitarian. His RR is .96. He's not on your list. I wasn't aware what he said was even able to be interpreted differently. Yet he claims the only reason he's EQ isn't because he got to a high rank and played high rankers, it's because he was a low rank that played his own peers then got CM and shot up the ranks (or so I imagine as I'm the one that told you about CM Thomas when we played and you got it shortly after, if I'm wrong I apologize).
I lied, I will waste some time on you after all. I started this thread, and it was I, that stated the topic. I clearly said that this was not a sugg. And it was not a place to discuss the merits of RR. The only moron here is above your bathroom sink. Go look and you will see that I am right.FabledIntegral wrote:porkenbeans wrote:I do not care what Chip said. No insult intended. The purpose of which he wrote it, is not my concern. He apparently does not want to get in the middle of this war, and I can understand that. But the Gennie is out of the bottle. I have not lied about, or twisted the data in any way. I have only reported, using his tool, The top E.Q. players at CC. I am sorry that you are not on the list, Fab. And however Chip modifies M.R., I don't think that you will ever be on it. So what. Why does this anger you so ? You are not an Equilatarian. Get over it and move on. This will be my last response to you. Unless you can the childish name calling. I have better things to do with my time left on this earth than to argue with a spoiled brat.FabledIntegral wrote:God you're retarded. Chip already stated in this thread that the map rank wasn't meant for use like this rather it was for a specific person that gave a specific request. Because if you use it in the manner which you are using you'll get invalid results. Moron.
And if you're too retarded to figure out what Thomas said before me, he IS an Equalitarian. His RR is .96. He's not on your list. I wasn't aware what he said was even able to be interpreted differently. Yet he claims the only reason he's EQ isn't because he got to a high rank and played high rankers, it's because he was a low rank that played his own peers then got CM and shot up the ranks (or so I imagine as I'm the one that told you about CM Thomas when we played and you got it shortly after, if I'm wrong I apologize).
Once again not responding to what I said - although I'd like to point out calling people "spoiled brats," when it isn't even relevant makes you look all the more retarded. I couldn't give a damn about being EQ, being "high ranked," having a high score, or any of that shit. I don't care to be on your flawed list either.
You have twisted the data because throughout this thread you've said EQ is something to strive for. Do you think I care about my RR? No. I know I'm a better player than you, I know I'm a better player than some EQ on that list, etc. To get a high RR you merely need to play the system. Look at what Jarrett JUST said. He jumped 3 ranks in like a few weeks. Go fucking figure. He got a high RR at a low rank, and then moved up the ladder in seconds, and because it was such a few amount of games that he moved up in, his RR wasn't affected as much. Thus it's immensely flawed. You have reported, using this tool, the top EQ, and as I said, fine - everyone's already discredited you, that's not what I'm pointing out (although you fail to understand that as well). What you fail to understand is you're placing importance on it, as if everything that's not EQ farms, or some stupid shit like that.
But go on - make a topic and fail to give proper answers. It now seems like you're the one who can't give proper responses, running away "I have better things to do with my time than argue about something I have not once given a decent response to."
Moron.
FabledIntegral wrote:jarrett155 wrote:i guess the fact that i climbed 3 ranks in a week when i came back doesnt show ive gotten better?
All the competition is gone. Either way I'm discrediting "EQ high rank" means something - you're a prime example. I'm targeting your EQ status more so than your Brig, brig is osmething merely to compare to.
Done.Thomas.Paine wrote:Still wondering how a RR of .962 and a score of 4000 doesn't qualify?
porkenbeans wrote:I am sorry, but I simply ran mrs' starting at the top of the leaderboard. As I worked my way down, I only included those with E.Q. status, as this is the E.Q. LEADERBOARD. I did not run any in depth analysis on each player. I will leave that up to Chip to figure out. It is his baby. I would like to acknowledge all of his effort. I myself do not believe that it is quit there yet.
I am only reporting the facts using his tool.
To me the only thing this tool is good for is weeding out farmers, so that we can see where the true Risk talent lies.
1 King_Herpes 5879 Conqueror 0.485 2851
2 sjnap 5729 Field Marshal 0.617 3535
3 maxatstuy 5181 Field Marshal 0.490 2539
4 poo-maker 4787 Field Marshal 0.647 3097
5 bridge2far 4765 Field Marshal 0.758 3612
6 rabbiton 4571 Field Marshal 0.745 3405
7 Velvecarrots 4309 General 0.784 3378
8 lt.pie 4297 General 0.647 2780
9 Thai Robert 4103 Brigadier 0.558 2289
10 mhennigan 4052 General 0.595 2411
11 Thomas.Paine 4000 General 0.962 3848
12 General Mojo 3953 General 0.781 3087
13 Seulessliathan 3952 General 0.832 3288
14 Jeff Hardy 3841 General 0.716 2750
15 Phlaim 3838 General 0.665 2552
16 Fruitcake 3732 General 0.880 3284
17 fantasianasian 3705 General 0.716 2653
18 Scott-Land 3702 General 0.666 2466
19 karelpietertje 3693 General 0.682 2519
20 ballenus 3682 General 0.764 2813
21 SkyT 3669 General 0.487 1787
22 Hesoos 3653 General 0.775 2831
23 KingOfGods 3649 General 0.678 2474
24 Me-Da-MiNoRiTY 3622 General 0.675 2445
25 timmy1 3574 General 0.820 2931
26 dividedbyzero 3569 General 0.659 2352
27 Gwaahjo 3526 General 0.805 2838
1 Thomas.Paine 4000 0.962 3848 General
2 bridge2far 4765 0.758 3612 General
3 sjnap 5729 0.617 3535 General
4 rabbiton 4571 0.745 3405 Brigadier
5 Velvecarrots 4309 0.784 3378 Brigadier
6 Seulessliathan 3952 0.832 3288 Brigadier
7 Fruitcake 3732 0.880 3284 Brigadier
8 poo-maker 4787 0.647 3097 Brigadier
9 General Mojo 3953 0.781 3087 Brigadier
10 timmy1 3574 0.820 2931 Colonel
11 King_Herpes 5879 0.485 2851 Colonel
12 Gwaahjo 3526 0.805 2838 Colonel
13 Hesoos 3653 0.775 2831 Colonel
14 ballenus 3682 0.764 2813 Colonel
15 lt.pie 4297 0.647 2780 Colonel
16 Jeff Hardy 3841 0.716 2750 Colonel
17 fantasianasian 3705 0.716 2653 Colonel
18 Phlaim 3838 0.665 2552 Colonel
19 maxatstuy 5181 0.490 2539 Colonel
20 karelpietertje 3693 0.682 2519 Colonel
21 KingOfGods 3649 0.678 2474 Major
22 Scott-Land 3702 0.666 2466 Major
23 Me-Da-MiNoRiTY 3622 0.675 2445 Major
24 mhennigan 4052 0.595 2411 Major
25 dividedbyzero 3569 0.659 2352 Major
26 Thai Robert 4103 0.558 2289 Major
27 SkyT 3669 0.487 1787 Lieutenant
Fruitcake wrote:Ok...just for fun you understand, here is the RR scorboard for the top point scorers. I did this earlier in the year and it was an interesting exercise.
Columns in the first box are: place on the cc scoreboard, then player name, points, rank, relative rank, relative rank score.1 King_Herpes 5879 Conqueror 0.485 2851
2 sjnap 5729 Field Marshal 0.617 3535
3 maxatstuy 5181 Field Marshal 0.490 2539
4 poo-maker 4787 Field Marshal 0.647 3097
5 bridge2far 4765 Field Marshal 0.758 3612
6 rabbiton 4571 Field Marshal 0.745 3405
7 Velvecarrots 4309 General 0.784 3378
8 lt.pie 4297 General 0.647 2780
9 Thai Robert 4103 Brigadier 0.558 2289
10 mhennigan 4052 General 0.595 2411
11 Thomas.Paine 4000 General 0.962 3848
12 General Mojo 3953 General 0.781 3087
13 Seulessliathan 3952 General 0.832 3288
14 Jeff Hardy 3841 General 0.716 2750
15 Phlaim 3838 General 0.665 2552
16 Fruitcake 3732 General 0.880 3284
17 fantasianasian 3705 General 0.716 2653
18 Scott-Land 3702 General 0.666 2466
19 karelpietertje 3693 General 0.682 2519
20 ballenus 3682 General 0.764 2813
21 SkyT 3669 General 0.487 1787
22 Hesoos 3653 General 0.775 2831
23 KingOfGods 3649 General 0.678 2474
24 Me-Da-MiNoRiTY 3622 General 0.675 2445
25 timmy1 3574 General 0.820 2931
26 dividedbyzero 3569 General 0.659 2352
27 Gwaahjo 3526 General 0.805 2838
Here is the RR scoreboard with adjusted rankings.1 Thomas.Paine 4000 0.962 3848 General
2 bridge2far 4765 0.758 3612 General
3 sjnap 5729 0.617 3535 General
4 rabbiton 4571 0.745 3405 Brigadier
5 Velvecarrots 4309 0.784 3378 Brigadier
6 Seulessliathan 3952 0.832 3288 Brigadier
7 Fruitcake 3732 0.880 3284 Brigadier
8 poo-maker 4787 0.647 3097 Brigadier
9 General Mojo 3953 0.781 3087 Brigadier
10 timmy1 3574 0.820 2931 Colonel
11 King_Herpes 5879 0.485 2851 Colonel
12 Gwaahjo 3526 0.805 2838 Colonel
13 Hesoos 3653 0.775 2831 Colonel
14 ballenus 3682 0.764 2813 Colonel
15 lt.pie 4297 0.647 2780 Colonel
16 Jeff Hardy 3841 0.716 2750 Colonel
17 fantasianasian 3705 0.716 2653 Colonel
18 Phlaim 3838 0.665 2552 Colonel
19 maxatstuy 5181 0.490 2539 Colonel
20 karelpietertje 3693 0.682 2519 Colonel
21 KingOfGods 3649 0.678 2474 Major
22 Scott-Land 3702 0.666 2466 Major
23 Me-Da-MiNoRiTY 3622 0.675 2445 Major
24 mhennigan 4052 0.595 2411 Major
25 dividedbyzero 3569 0.659 2352 Major
26 Thai Robert 4103 0.558 2289 Major
27 SkyT 3669 0.487 1787 Lieutenant
jarrett155 wrote:FabledIntegral wrote:jarrett155 wrote:i guess the fact that i climbed 3 ranks in a week when i came back doesnt show ive gotten better?
All the competition is gone. Either way I'm discrediting "EQ high rank" means something - you're a prime example. I'm targeting your EQ status more so than your Brig, brig is osmething merely to compare to.
im not saying the fact that im EQ means anything. i dont think it does. however i feel like your calling me a shity player and i dont like that.
Fruitcake wrote:Ok...just for fun you understand, here is the RR scorboard for the top point scorers. I did this earlier in the year and it was an interesting exercise.
Columns in the first box are: place on the cc scoreboard, then player name, points, rank, relative rank, relative rank score.1 King_Herpes 5879 Conqueror 0.485 2851
2 sjnap 5729 Field Marshal 0.617 3535
3 maxatstuy 5181 Field Marshal 0.490 2539
4 poo-maker 4787 Field Marshal 0.647 3097
5 bridge2far 4765 Field Marshal 0.758 3612
6 rabbiton 4571 Field Marshal 0.745 3405
7 Velvecarrots 4309 General 0.784 3378
8 lt.pie 4297 General 0.647 2780
9 Thai Robert 4103 Brigadier 0.558 2289
10 mhennigan 4052 General 0.595 2411
11 Thomas.Paine 4000 General 0.962 3848
12 General Mojo 3953 General 0.781 3087
13 Seulessliathan 3952 General 0.832 3288
14 Jeff Hardy 3841 General 0.716 2750
15 Phlaim 3838 General 0.665 2552
16 Fruitcake 3732 General 0.880 3284
17 fantasianasian 3705 General 0.716 2653
18 Scott-Land 3702 General 0.666 2466
19 karelpietertje 3693 General 0.682 2519
20 ballenus 3682 General 0.764 2813
21 SkyT 3669 General 0.487 1787
22 Hesoos 3653 General 0.775 2831
23 KingOfGods 3649 General 0.678 2474
24 Me-Da-MiNoRiTY 3622 General 0.675 2445
25 timmy1 3574 General 0.820 2931
26 dividedbyzero 3569 General 0.659 2352
27 Gwaahjo 3526 General 0.805 2838
Here is the RR scoreboard with adjusted rankings.1 Thomas.Paine 4000 0.962 3848 General
2 bridge2far 4765 0.758 3612 General
3 sjnap 5729 0.617 3535 General
4 rabbiton 4571 0.745 3405 Brigadier
5 Velvecarrots 4309 0.784 3378 Brigadier
6 Seulessliathan 3952 0.832 3288 Brigadier
7 Fruitcake 3732 0.880 3284 Brigadier
8 poo-maker 4787 0.647 3097 Brigadier
9 General Mojo 3953 0.781 3087 Brigadier
10 timmy1 3574 0.820 2931 Colonel
11 King_Herpes 5879 0.485 2851 Colonel
12 Gwaahjo 3526 0.805 2838 Colonel
13 Hesoos 3653 0.775 2831 Colonel
14 ballenus 3682 0.764 2813 Colonel
15 lt.pie 4297 0.647 2780 Colonel
16 Jeff Hardy 3841 0.716 2750 Colonel
17 fantasianasian 3705 0.716 2653 Colonel
18 Phlaim 3838 0.665 2552 Colonel
19 maxatstuy 5181 0.490 2539 Colonel
20 karelpietertje 3693 0.682 2519 Colonel
21 KingOfGods 3649 0.678 2474 Major
22 Scott-Land 3702 0.666 2466 Major
23 Me-Da-MiNoRiTY 3622 0.675 2445 Major
24 mhennigan 4052 0.595 2411 Major
25 dividedbyzero 3569 0.659 2352 Major
26 Thai Robert 4103 0.558 2289 Major
27 SkyT 3669 0.487 1787 Lieutenant
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