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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby aad0906 on Tue May 08, 2012 2:06 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:Isn't the British exportation of citizens to Malvinas similar to Israel's settlement program?

Basically, a country ships its people into an disputed territory, and after a sufficient number have been inserted (and a sufficient number have been excluded--Palestinians, Argentinians, etc.), then the country can exert a more "justifiable" claim to the territory.


The Falklands were uninhabited. No Argentinians or Palestinians were expelled from the Falklands. But I would also like to point out that the Falkland Islands were in fact first discovered by a Dutch explorer Sebald De Weert so I think The Netherlands should take over the Falklands (that in 1600 were actually called the Sebald Islands). The English only landed there in 1690.


"It was on his homeward leg back to the Netherlands after having left the Straits of Magellan that De Weert noticed some unnamed and uncharted islands, at least islands that did not exist on his nautical charts. The islands Sebald de Weert charted were a small group off the northwest coast of the Falkland Islands and are in fact part of the Falklands. De Weert then named these islands the “Sebald de Weert Islands” and the Falklands as a whole were known as the Sebald Islands until well into the 18th century. In 1766, the British settlers of Saunders Island renamed the small group of the NW that De Weert had plotted Jason Islands and Carcass Island after the vessels Jason and Carcass on which they had arrived. In Spanish these are still known as the "Islas Sebaldes" or "Sebaldinas" for short."
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby saxitoxin on Tue May 08, 2012 2:11 pm

aad0906 wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Isn't the British exportation of citizens to Malvinas similar to Israel's settlement program?

Basically, a country ships its people into an disputed territory, and after a sufficient number have been inserted (and a sufficient number have been excluded--Palestinians, Argentinians, etc.), then the country can exert a more "justifiable" claim to the territory.


The Falklands were uninhabited.


And still no one has answered my question - there are dozens of islands in Scotland that are uninhabited. Can China land troops on one of them tomorrow and declare it to be part of China because it was uninhabited? Or does that only work for white squatters?
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby saxitoxin on Tue May 08, 2012 5:37 pm

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BigBallinStalin wrote:Isn't the British exportation of citizens to Malvinas similar to Israel's settlement program?

Basically, a country ships its people into an disputed territory, and after a sufficient number have been inserted (and a sufficient number have been excluded--Palestinians, Argentinians, etc.), then the country can exert a more "justifiable" claim to the territory.


The Falklands were uninhabited.


And still no one has answered my question - there are dozens of islands in Scotland that are uninhabited. Can China land troops on one of them tomorrow and declare it to be part of China because it was uninhabited? Or does that only work for white squatters?


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Postby 2dimes on Tue May 08, 2012 5:54 pm

Well we kind of need to over look the fact that, if Scotts won't inhabit a place it may not be a spot anyone's going to be fighting over.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby aad0906 on Tue May 08, 2012 8:20 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
And still no one has answered my question - there are dozens of islands in Scotland that are uninhabited. Can China land troops on one of them tomorrow and declare it to be part of China because it was uninhabited? Or does that only work for white squatters?



Fortunately the days of exploring and colonizing are far behind us (unfortunately too late for the native inhabitants of Argentina though). Nowadays every piece of land however small is part of a country and in most cases the souvereignity is not dispouted by anyone. And most overseas territories that were colonized have gained independence. The Falklands aren't fully independent because they are too small for this. But you bring up another point. Aren't Spanish people (or people from Spanish descent, such as Argentinians) considered to be "white"? After all, Argentina claims the Falklands because they were supposed to have bought it from Spain.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby saxitoxin on Tue May 08, 2012 8:53 pm

aad0906 wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
And still no one has answered my question - there are dozens of islands in Scotland that are uninhabited. Can China land troops on one of them tomorrow and declare it to be part of China because it was uninhabited? Or does that only work for white squatters?



Fortunately the days of exploring and colonizing are far behind us


So, it's okay for the UK because the statute of limitations has run out? LOL, this gets funnier and funnier what with all the caveats and exemptions that have to be applied to justify the British military occupation of Las Malvinas - even using the Brits' own "reasoning."
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Postby army of nobunaga on Tue May 08, 2012 8:58 pm

when I read stuff like this I realize how ludicrous you people are...

two questions to those that have posted here

1) you been there?
2) have close friends from there?



the rest is stupid ass conjecture . it is one solid ass American friendly country.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby saxitoxin on Tue May 08, 2012 9:13 pm

army of nobunaga wrote:when I read stuff like this I realize how ludicrous you people are...

two questions to those that have posted here

1) you been there?
2) have close friends from there?

the rest is stupid ass conjecture . it is one solid ass American friendly country.


Everyone is afraid of replying to AoN because they're not sure if he's referring to UK, Argentina or Malvinas ... AoN, please clarify! We need to know which of us are supposed to spit on you and which of us are supposed to give you a tugjob.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby saxitoxin on Tue May 08, 2012 9:41 pm

aad0906 wrote:(unfortunately too late for the native inhabitants of Argentina though)


This is a popular myth perpetrated by the British as a way of saying "look, the Argentines are as bad as us! let's just call it a draw."

    1. Argentina declared independence from Spain in 1816; any incidences occurring prior to 1816 are the responsibility of the decision-making power - white Europe (Spain).

    2. The land occupied and used by Argentina - northern Patagonia and the coastal regions - was uninhabited and unclaimed by indigenous peoples who only occupied and claimed the interior of the country.

    3. The 1873 Argentine invasion and annexation of the interior was a situational response to a specific set of offensive military actions taken by the Mapuche across the mutually agreed border, culminating in the invasion of Mendoza by the Mapuche. The Argentine military response was a permitted defensive action no different than the Dutch counter-offensive at Grebbeberg to the German invasion (the Argentine just happened to be a lot more successful than the bumbling Dutchman who surrendered after 72 hours ... then volunteered en masse for the SS).

Any criticism of Argentina by an European stinks of paternalism, jealousy and condescension and is patently offensive.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby army of nobunaga on Tue May 08, 2012 9:50 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
army of nobunaga wrote:when I read stuff like this I realize how ludicrous you people are...

two questions to those that have posted here

1) you been there?
2) have close friends from there?

the rest is stupid ass conjecture . it is one solid ass American friendly country.


Everyone is afraid of replying to AoN because they're not sure if he's referring to UK, Argentina or Malvinas ... AoN, please clarify! We need to know which of us are supposed to spit on you and which of us are supposed to give you a tugjob.



lol fake ass couch potato bitches.


lets hear more opinions from you guys.

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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby saxitoxin on Tue May 08, 2012 10:15 pm

Courtesy of the precocious Zamba - here's a 90-second cartoon song that provides a more accurate history of Las Malvinas and the Britisher pirating attacks and how they are motivated by desperation at their collapsed empire than anything else said by the revisionists in this thread to date - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eh1B4a-RMA&t=3m13s
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby Chariot of Fire on Wed May 09, 2012 3:06 am

saxitoxin wrote:Courtesy of the precocious Zamba - here's a 90-second cartoon song that provides a more accurate history of Las Malvinas and the Britisher pirating attacks and how they are motivated by desperation at their collapsed empire than anything else said by the revisionists in this thread to date - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eh1B4a-RMA&t=3m13s

(though my favorite part is the retarded British ginger boy with the simpleton accent who shows up at 6:10 ... "dumbdy dum dum" :lol: )


"The retarded British ginger boy......"

My, what an agreeable person you must be to come out with comments like that.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby Symmetry on Wed May 09, 2012 9:43 am

Why bother revising history? Ask the people who live there now. If they no longer want to be British, let them choose. It's not as if there's a a rival group of Argentinian people who have a claim to the area.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby saxitoxin on Wed May 09, 2012 11:49 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:Courtesy of the precocious Zamba - here's a 90-second cartoon song that provides a more accurate history of Las Malvinas and the Britisher pirating attacks and how they are motivated by desperation at their collapsed empire than anything else said by the revisionists in this thread to date - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eh1B4a-RMA&t=3m13s

(though my favorite part is the retarded British ginger boy with the simpleton accent who shows up at 6:10 ... "dumbdy dum dum" :lol: )


"The retarded British ginger boy......"

My, what an agreeable person you must be to come out with comments like that.


I was describing what was in the animated feature. I did not script or animate it. However, out of an abundance of sensitivity I have edited my comment so the fragile ears of the easily offended will be able to completely insulate themselves from popular opinion if they choose not to watch it.

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This is a discussion thread, not a monologue thread. If you don't desire to engage people in conversation, but simply irrationally repeat the same simple talking point put out by David Cameron's PR agency to the total disregard of the many reasonable refutations of it, you might investigate a blog, Twitter account, or open mic hour at your local comedy club.

This is a thread for those who can think freely, form independent opinions and express their thoughts in a dynamic and coherent manner, not a thread to prove you're able to copy and paste a press release.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby saxitoxin on Wed May 09, 2012 12:25 pm

"Royal Navy" veterans agree with Saxi:

Should Argentina invade and take Mount Pleasant, there is no hope the UK could mount a recovery operation.

The reality is that Argentina is not (yet) equipped to attack the Falklands even if it has the political will. However with a planned increase in defence spending of 50%, ... its military may present a very credible threat in the next 5-10 years.

http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpre ... nd-islands


The kelpers can become part of Argentina today and all become multi-millionares, or part of Argentina 5 years from now and settle for a Red Cross refugee tent in Crystal Palace. Two options.

The Admiral Sir Sandy Woodward - who led the British recapture of Malvinas in 1982 - agrees (who is more qualified than him?):

If the Falklands are ever captured by Argentina it will be impossible to win them back, says Woodward. “We could not retake the Falklands. We could not send a task force or even an aircraft carrier. If we had been in this state in 1982, the Falklands would be the Malvinas. We rely on sending reinforcements by air, but that would be impossible if we lost control of the airfield at Mount Pleasant.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... e-now.html


He also criticized the UK regime for their decision to send a member of the ruling family last year "to serve":

“To put a royal in the front line is quite inconvenient. You have to take special measures to make sure he doesn’t lose his life. That means you service his aircraft three times as carefully as anyone else’s. If something goes badly wrong, you’ll be blamed. So you protect the Royal Family from their own wish to serve. They are a liability on the front line.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... e-now.html


Even with 500% better equipment 30 years ago and American resupply support, Britain almost lost, Woodward says (if the UK hadn't been friends with Augusto Pinochet who kept the crack Argentine troops tied down, they would have):

What people fail to realise, he says, is how close Britain came to losing the war. “If the Argentines had held out for another week on land then we would probably have lost it. Our people were in the open. It was snowing. The sheer wear and tear of two months at sea in vile conditions meant our ships were wearing out. The offshore group was on its last gasp. It was as close as that.”
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby Symmetry on Wed May 09, 2012 1:42 pm

I hold no pride in the British victory- I think it was a dumb war, and the best outcome of it was that Argentina achieved democracy and the Falkland Islanders gained independence.

I see no benefit in replaying the conflict.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby saxitoxin on Wed May 09, 2012 1:47 pm

Symmetry wrote:the Falkland Islanders gained independence.


lolwut

Maybe I can pick-up some more literature on this at the local "Falkland Islands" Embassy. :lol:

In any case, the UN Decolonization Committee disagrees with that weird rewriting of reality.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby Symmetry on Wed May 09, 2012 1:48 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:the Falkland Islanders gained independence.


lolwut

Maybe I can pick-up some more literature on this at the local "Falkland Islands" Embassy. :lol:

In any case, the UN Decolonization Committee disagrees with that weird rewriting of reality.


Fair point, I stand corrected.
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Postby saxitoxin on Thu May 10, 2012 7:31 pm

The hereditary ruling family of the UK is planning a carnival to celebrate the war against the Argentine people of 1982. The carnival will be filled with music, dancing, games, doorprizes and other fun. Celebrity comedians will headline the event at which the murder of more than 600 Argentines will be feted.

A pirate, who was invited to attend, vapidly commented:

This is Plylmouth wrote:"They're such wonderful events and it's lovely to mix with royalty, celebrities and some of my old friends," he said.

http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/Falklan ... story.html


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Postby Chariot of Fire on Thu May 10, 2012 9:45 pm

saxitoxin wrote:I don't really care if there's a legal basis or not for Argentine claims to the Malvinas...I'll support Argentina regardless of any basis in law or ethics for their claims.


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Postby saxitoxin on Tue May 15, 2012 11:24 am

Forty-eight members of the Italian parliament delivered a letter to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki Moon yesterday calling for the world body to intervene to aid Argentina in its internationally recognized legal claim to Isles Malvinas, the portion of Argentina currently under a UK military occupation. The letter was authored by Ricard Merlo, a Buenos Aires-living Italian citizen who holds one of the four seats in parliament reserved for Italians living abroad.

http://www.buenosairesherald.com/articl ... gnty-claim

The lawmakers have announced their intent to introduce a resolution in the Italian parliament expressing Italy's support for the Argentine people against the UK military occupation.
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Postby saxitoxin on Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:22 pm

Following a comprehensive UN investigation, the United Nations Decolonization Committee yesterday unanimously adopted a resolution demanding Britain enter into negotiations with Argentina over the future of Las Malvinas. Will the UK continue to flaunt international law and the will of the UN?

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/06/1 ... -malvinas/
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/ ... 39.doc.htm

Seventeen nations spoke at the vote and all 17 supported the demand UK negotiate. UK was unable to find a single friend to speak in support of the pirate position. Highlights:

    COSTA RICA - Saul Weisleder reaffirmed his country’s recognition of the Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands as an integral part of the territory of Argentina. Since 1833, that territory had been subjected to a violation stemming from a colonial dispute.

    EL SALVADOR - Joaquin Maza Martelli reiterated his delegation’s position of principle that the question of the Malvinas, South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands and the surrounding maritime space belonged to Argentina. The justification of the United Kingdom to stay in the region stemmed from “an attitude that history had rendered obsolete”, he said.

    COLOMBIA - Fernando Alzate Donoso reiterated his country’s support for Argentina’s claim in the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas. He regretted that in spite of the time that had elapsed since the adoption of the General Assembly resolutions on the dispute, it had not yet been resolved.

    BOLIVIA - Raphael Arconodo said that, yesterday, the Special Committee had heard a “courageous and convincing” statement by President Christina Fernández de Kirchner of Argentina, in which she described dreams of a world without colonialism.

The neo-conservative David Cameron responded to President Kirchener's pleas for peaceful negotiation by saying he would "never negotiate" and threatening to go to war.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpres ... 552175977A
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Postby Symmetry on Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:26 pm

The people who live there spoke against it, they were ignored.
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Re: Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled tal

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:34 pm

Symmetry wrote:The people who live there spoke against it, they were ignored.


The fussing of squatters are irrelevant. The justness of evictions are decided in courts, not in catcalls and shrieks on the doorstep after the police have arrived. Britain refuses to respect international law by even heeding a summons.

Why does Britain hate the system of international law the civilized world has crafted for peaceful resolution of disputes? Why is Britain stuck in the Dark Ages?
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Postby Chariot of Fire on Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:43 am

International Law?

Care to quote the clause pertinent to this dispute, where Britain is in breach of it, and what the penalties are?

Thought not. f*ck off.
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