The Dark Knight Rises: DVD release Dec 4th

[jonesthecurl]

Finally saw this movie.
Lame.

[Phatscotty]

For Phatscotty's honest enjoyment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ5l5ls0hP4&feature=player_embedded

haha, that was amusing. Decent groove too

thanks

[Phatscotty]

Finally saw this movie.
Lame.

[jonesthecurl]

Finally saw this movie.
Lame.

The entire movie was as lame as Bruce Wayne was at the beginning.
Only it didn't have a cane to help it stand up.

[Phatscotty]

Finally saw this movie.
Lame.

The entire movie was as lame as Bruce Wayne was at the beginning.
Only it didn't have a cane to help it stand up.

Did you like begins and dark knight?

[heavycola]

This was the guy doing bane's voice, right?

[Phatscotty]

The Dark Knight Rises's Libertarian Batman
Christopher Nolan's film shows that free people can do good without the mandate of big government.

The days since the conclusion of Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy was released have seen an eruption of columns and blog posts dissecting the movie's political implications. Pundits at outlets like the New York Times, National Review Online, Hollywood.com and Jacobin Magazine have described the story as everything from anticapitalist to antipopulist to antirevolutionary.

On the Thomas Jefferson Street blog Monday, Robert Schlesinger added one more to the list when he characterized the film's protagonist as an "anti-libertarian." According to Schlesinger, Bruce Wayne represents a "repudiation of Ayn Rand's everyone-for-themself philosophy, where wealth equates to virtue." But this reading of the man behind the Bat mask fails to hit the mark. Wayne's character may well be antithetical to Rand's objectivist philosophy—but there is nothing anti-libertarian about that.

A common misperception is that unconstrained greed is a libertarian ideal. Under that view, free markets are characterized by narrow concern with material wealth and a ruthless lack of regard for other people. It's hardly surprising so many find that philosophy reprehensible. In real life, of course, individuals regularly exhibit a desire to serve causes greater than themselves. It is a trait of our humanity that we abhor suffering, even in those to whom we have no relation.

An ideology that does not recognize that truth can do little to explain the world.

But libertarianism does recognize it. It relies on it, in fact. Yes, much incidental good can come of people pursuing their self-interest. Parents go to work every day less out of a love for those they'll serve there and more out of a desire to put food on the table at night. Personal gain leads them to be productive, but we're all benefactors.

Still, there are those for whom that will not be enough. And a basic tenet of libertarianism is that where enterprise fails, human goodness will fill the void. Charity and philanthropy are as much a part of a well-functioning free market as is the exchange of bread for money.

Libertarians find government redistribution not just unseemly—they find it unnecessary. To think we require bureaucrats to take from some and give to others is to assume people can't be trusted to do what's right by one another. It dehumanizes the population by preempting society's right to solve problems together, through selflessness and ingenuity.

That assumption is the opposite of what Bruce Wayne believes. On the contrary, Wayne has great faith in his fellow man. When in The Dark Knight the Joker gives two boats full of people the ability to blow up their counterpart to spare themselves, only the Batman is sure they won't succumb. Similarly, Adam Smith's Theory of Moral Sentiments opens with the following passage:

How selfish soever a man may be supposed, there are evidently some principles in his nature which interest him in the fortune of others, and render their happiness necessary to him, though he derive nothing from it except the pleasure of seeing it.

Clearly, even the father of laissez-faire economics was a believer in altruism.

For libertarians, government not only isn't necessary to facilitate that altruism—it often stands in the way. In The Dark Knight Rises, Bruce Wayne quite literally has to outrun the cops, who want to arrest him as a menace. Only then can he begin to help the terrorized people of Gotham.

Which isn't to say the Batman movies treat the police as bad guys. They are as much a paean to law and order as anything else. But at its core, this is a story about the difference a single private citizen is capable of making, without the need for government coercion, incentive, or direction.

Schlesinger's column cites Wayne's parents' construction of a subway as proof the family cares about those less fortunate than them. There is no doubting Thomas Wayne is supposed to be a good man possessing a deep-seated desire to "give back" to his community. But that is far from inconsistent with libertarianism. The gifting of such an asset by a private individual could just as easily be used as evidence that "public" goods like transportation need not come from government at all.

In the third installment, Wayne realizes his immensely valuable fusion reactor could be weaponized if allowed to fall into the wrong hands. He refuses to put it into production, though it means enduring the loss of his fortune. If anything, Wayne proves that even for the wealthy businessman, there can be more to life than money.

The Batman is much more a libertarian archetype than a repudiation thereof. He may not be a hero of the Randian variety, but Bruce Wayne's willingness to sacrifice for the good of others is a cinematic depiction of the best that free humans are capable of. His heroics underscore one of the foundational precepts of the libertarian movement. It doesn't take big government to make the world a better place—it takes people choosing to do the right thing.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/ ... ian-batman

[john9blue]

the movie definitely seemed biased towards capitalism. i don't know how anyone could think otherwise: the hero was a self-made billionaire and owner of a corporation, and the villain was a populist and a socialist who liked killing banksters

[BigBallinStalin]

Who doesn't love killing banksters? As if banks provide anything useful!

[john9blue]

who needs banks when you have mattresses? banks are probably more likely to lose your money anyway.

[Phatscotty]

there actually was a joke in the movie about the cop keeping his money in his matress, indicating even police officers don't trust them

[Juan_Bottom]

SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS

the movie definitely seemed biased towards capitalism. i don't know how anyone could think otherwise: the hero was a self-made billionaire and owner of a corporation, and the villain was a populist and a socialist who liked killing banksters

Bruce Wayne inherited all of his money and then almost lost it it all, then he finally lost it all anyway. And by the end, what he had left he gave away too.

Bane holds the bankers hostage, and the bankers warn the police and everybody that they can't lost their money and stuff or everyone will die.
I don't see how Bane was a populist or a Socialist in the classical or modern use of the word.

[Phatscotty]

He is certainly a revolutionary dictator. the socialism and populism stuff was just so that enough people would think that sounded good, and go along with Bane, until his real plan was revealed...... It was based on fear, and Bane had enough people believe in his promises that they could enforce his narrative and make anyone afraid to speak against it, even the chief of police...

[thegreekdog]

I didn't watch the movie, but I can tell you from reading the comics that Batman is a fascist. He's definitely not a libertarian.

[Phatscotty]

I didn't watch the movie, but I can tell you from reading the comics that Batman is a fascist. He's definitely not a libertarian.

Batman maybe, but not the Dark Knight...

[BigBallinStalin]

Did Batman ever uphold drug laws? I bet he'd bunch a kid in the face for smoking a joint.

[Phatscotty]

Did Batman ever uphold drug laws? I bet he'd bunch a kid in the face for smoking a joint.

The Dark Knight has an understanding for drug users the same way Rorschach had a soft spot for hookers.

[tkr4lf]

http://www.cracked.com/article_20012_if-dark-knight-rises-was-10-times-shorter-more-honest.html?wa_user1=1&wa_user2=Movies+%26+TV&wa_user3=article&wa_user4=feature_module

Haha, fucking perfect.

[Symmetry]

Did Batman ever uphold drug laws? I bet he'd bunch a kid in the face for smoking a joint.

The Dark Knight has an understanding for drug users the same way Rorschach had a soft spot for hookers.

Bruce Wayne's mum was a drug user?

[Phatscotty]

[Gillipig]

This gave me inspiration for a new book title. 'The Blue Prince Stumbles'


It's an erotic novel.

[Phatscotty]

Did Batman ever uphold drug laws? I bet he'd bunch a kid in the face for smoking a joint.

The Dark Knight has an understanding for drug users the same way Rorschach had a soft spot for hookers.

Bruce Wayne's mum was a drug user?

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Did Batman ever uphold drug laws? I bet he'd bunch a kid in the face for smoking a joint.

The Scarecrow was a drug dealer in the Dark Knight, he was captured by Batman in that scene.

[Pedronicus]

why was all pre film pictures showing rain? - it didn't rain in the film. there was more snow than rain

[Gilligan]

I really think that Bane's breathing asparagus of some awe.