Male Circumcision

[Pedronicus]

Having a foreskin makes sex feel better.

only a person of sexual age with the before and after knowledge can say this. were you at an old age Timm when you had the chop?

me, i had it chopped off as an infant, because there was some sort of pea sized thing at the end of my cock that moved up and down so the hospital decided to cut off my forseskin.

I've just asked my girlfriend how many men she has slept with before me, who have been circumcised and she said none.
I asked her what she preferred. (We've been together for 13 years now, so if she said natural, I wouldn't be pissed off)

her opinion was this:

She prefers circumcised willies because, they are cleaner, smoother, give more sensation in the vagina, and just generally better (couldn't get much more explanation apart from that - sorry). More pleasing on the eye and more pleasing to touch. (she talking about masturbation here)

Me, i have no idea because i had mine cut off really young.

what this thread needs is more women to come forward and offer their thoughts on their experiences because a bunch of blokes talking about how great their cocks are is without balance.

come on CC girls, lets hear your preferences.

[Timminz]

Having a foreskin makes sex feel better.

only a person of sexual age with the before and after knowledge can say this. were you at an old age Timm when you had the chop?

You're right, I can't actually give a first-hand account for this. I have either not been snipped, or I was as an infant.

It just makes sense, though. As nerve endings are exposed to more physical contact, they become less sensitive (see: callouses). So removing the protective cover of the head of the penis, and thus exposing the nerve endings within it, is going to cause an overall loss of sensitivity.

[Symmetry]

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This is far too precious to spoil.

[Army of GOD]

It's still beyond me how an argument against circumcision is "hurrdurr they can't consent to it!" while those same people think it's ok to just kill the kid while it's in the womb.

Thus, it should be ok t ocut his foreskin off while he's in the womb too, right?

[Symmetry]

It's still beyond me how an argument against circumcision is "hurrdurr they can't consent to it!" while those same people think it's ok to just kill the kid while it's in the womb.

Thus, it should be ok t ocut his foreskin off while he's in the womb too, right?

I'm not sure I've ever seen people oppose the circumcision of a male or female child say that they wanted them aborted instead. What's your take on the subject at hand?

[Army of GOD]

It's still beyond me how an argument against circumcision is "hurrdurr they can't consent to it!" while those same people think it's ok to just kill the kid while it's in the womb.

Thus, it should be ok t ocut his foreskin off while he's in the womb too, right?

I'm not sure I've ever seen people oppose the circumcision of a male or female child say that they wanted them aborted instead. What's your take on the subject at hand?

I don't know.

Personally I was circumcised and since I was too young to remember it I...well...don't remember it. In fact, before I saw an uncircumcised penis in a porn (I WASNT LOOKING AT HIS PENIS GET OFF MY BACK JEEZ), I thought circumcised penises were natural.

I'm sure I was circumcised because of religious reasons (catholic parents) but if I do circumcise my kids, it'll be for medical reasons if I eventually am convinced that the medical benefits outweigh the benefits of having foreskin.

I find it somewhat hypocritical though that a lot of people who are for abortion are against infant circumcision claiming the kids "don't have a choice". Oh yea, and they definitely have a choice if they're aborted, right?

[Symmetry]

I find it somewhat hypocritical though that a lot of people who are for abortion are against infant circumcision claiming the kids "don't have a choice". Oh yea, and they definitely have a choice if they're aborted, right?

You're not usually a lazy thinker, so I hope you realise that cutting of a baby's clitoris ain't the same as the morning after pill, and that opposing both isn't hypocrisy.

So come back down to earth on this, and I won't call BS on your calling hypocrisy.

[Army of GOD]

I find it somewhat hypocritical though that a lot of people who are for abortion are against infant circumcision claiming the kids "don't have a choice". Oh yea, and they definitely have a choice if they're aborted, right?

You're not usually a lazy thinker, so I hope you realise that cutting of a baby's clitoris ain't the same as the morning after pill, and that opposing both isn't hypocrisy.

So come back down to earth on this, and I won't call BS on your calling hypocrisy.

I'm not talking about female circumcision though...


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[Symmetry]

I find it somewhat hypocritical though that a lot of people who are for abortion are against infant circumcision claiming the kids "don't have a choice". Oh yea, and they definitely have a choice if they're aborted, right?

You're not usually a lazy thinker, so I hope you realise that cutting of a baby's clitoris ain't the same as the morning after pill, and that opposing both isn't hypocrisy.

So come back down to earth on this, and I won't call BS on your calling hypocrisy.

I'm not talking about female circumcision though...


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You were talking about infant circumcision, but only for boys? Why say infant circumcision if you weren't being hypocritical and applying it for females too?

[Army of GOD]

I find it somewhat hypocritical though that a lot of people who are for abortion are against infant circumcision claiming the kids "don't have a choice". Oh yea, and they definitely have a choice if they're aborted, right?

You're not usually a lazy thinker, so I hope you realise that cutting of a baby's clitoris ain't the same as the morning after pill, and that opposing both isn't hypocrisy.

So come back down to earth on this, and I won't call BS on your calling hypocrisy.

I'm not talking about female circumcision though...


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You were talking about infant circumcision, but only for boys? Why say infant circumcision if you weren't being hypocritical and applying it for females too?

I don't know anything about female circumcision but from whta I've read in this thread, it's nothing like male circumcision and thus shouldn't be placed in the same category.

[Symmetry]

I find it somewhat hypocritical though that a lot of people who are for abortion are against infant circumcision claiming the kids "don't have a choice". Oh yea, and they definitely have a choice if they're aborted, right?

You're not usually a lazy thinker, so I hope you realise that cutting of a baby's clitoris ain't the same as the morning after pill, and that opposing both isn't hypocrisy.

So come back down to earth on this, and I won't call BS on your calling hypocrisy.

I'm not talking about female circumcision though...


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You were talking about infant circumcision, but only for boys? Why say infant circumcision if you weren't being hypocritical and applying it for females too?

I don't know anything about female circumcision but from whta I've read in this thread, it's nothing like male circumcision and thus shouldn't be placed in the same category.

Why not?

[patrickaa317]

I find it somewhat hypocritical though that a lot of people who are for abortion are against infant circumcision claiming the kids "don't have a choice". Oh yea, and they definitely have a choice if they're aborted, right?

You're not usually a lazy thinker, so I hope you realise that cutting of a baby's clitoris ain't the same as the morning after pill, and that opposing both isn't hypocrisy.

So come back down to earth on this, and I won't call BS on your calling hypocrisy.

I'm not talking about female circumcision though...


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You were talking about infant circumcision, but only for boys? Why say infant circumcision if you weren't being hypocritical and applying it for females too?

I don't know anything about female circumcision but from whta I've read in this thread, it's nothing like male circumcision and thus shouldn't be placed in the same category.

Why not?

Perhaps you should ask some females that have been circumcised to see if they would agree that it is the same thing.

[Symmetry]

Perhaps you should ask some females that have been circumcised to see if they would agree that it is the same thing.

I've made a new thread for infant circumcision, which was my main point.

[natty dread]

Perhaps you should ask some females that have been circumcised to see if they would agree that it is the same thing.

Why not ask the males too? Males know about female circumcision as much as females know about male circumcision... your post doesn't make sense and is an emotional argument.

I don't know anything about female circumcision but from whta I've read in this thread, it's nothing like male circumcision and thus shouldn't be placed in the same category.

Why not? They're perfectly analoguous concepts. There are degrees of both. The mildest forms of female mutilation only snip a part of the clitoral hood. The mildest forms of male mutilation only snip a part of the foreskin. Whereas the worst forms of female mutilation cut off the clitoris, labia, and sew the entire vagina shut with only a small hole left for urine. The worst forms of male mutilation tear off the foreskin and peel off the strip of skin between the penis and navel.

Many circumcisions, both male and female, cause complications - many babies die because of it.

I find it somewhat hypocritical though that a lot of people who are for abortion are against infant circumcision claiming the kids "don't have a choice". Oh yea, and they definitely have a choice if they're aborted, right?

"Babies" are not aborted. Most abortions are performed in the first trimester and the thing that is aborted (ie. fetus) is a growth of cells that cannot be considered a human being. There are very legitimate reasons why abortion can be necessary in many cases, most having to do with the health of the mother. After the baby is born, there is no more justification to cause harm or terminate the baby, and it should be treated as an already living human being.

I'm not opposed to elective abortion during the first trimester because it doesn't harm a human being, and the mother's freedom of choice is thus paramount.
I'm not opposed to abortion after that period when it is deemed necessary for medical reasons (eg. to protect the mother's life). If there is no justifiable medical reason, I'm against it.
I'm not opposed to circumcision when it is deemed necessary for medical reasons (eg. 23% of phimosis cases). If there is no justifiable medical reason, I'm against it.

See, I'm perfectly consistent.

[Ray Rider]

I don't know anything about female circumcision but from whta I've read in this thread, it's nothing like male circumcision and thus shouldn't be placed in the same category.

Why not? They're perfectly analoguous concepts. There are degrees of both. The mildest forms of female mutilation only snip a part of the clitoral hood. The mildest forms of male mutilation only snip a part of the foreskin. Whereas the worst forms of female mutilation cut off the clitoris, labia, and sew the entire vagina shut with only a small hole left for urine. The worst forms of male mutilation tear off the foreskin and peel off the strip of skin between the penis and navel.

Many circumcisions, both male and female, cause complications - many babies die because of it.

If you're trying to scare everyone by talking about the most extreme form which is virtually never practised in any civilized Western nation and the worst possible result which again, virtually never happens (see? I can say anything with no stats to back me up, just like you did!), you're not doing a very good job of it.

In case it was missed in this thread (which I couldn't be bothered to read), the American Academy of Pediatrics recently published their updated position on circumcision and emphasized the benefits of it. Anywho, here's the article if you're bored enough to read it...personally I hardly care about the issue and find it funny that a bunch of you on here have suddenly gotten a bee in your bonnet about it. Is it really that slow around here that you have to pretend that circumcision is a big deal?

Ps. Disclaimer: Sorry, seems like I'm in a rather cynical, antagonistic, bored mood tonight, as you've probly noticed in my last couple posts...I'm trying to avoid working on civil eng assignment but I should probly get back to it since it's due tomorrow...

[Symmetry]

In case it was missed in this thread (which I couldn't be bothered to read)

Thanks for coming.

[natty dread]

If you're trying to scare everyone by talking about the most extreme form which is virtually never practised in any civilized Western nation and the worst possible result which again, virtually never happens (see? I can say anything with no stats to back me up, just like you did!), you're not doing a very good job of it.

Yeah, I used to do that whole "I'm such a cool guy, nothing upsets or shocks me in any way, people who CARE about things are such losers" thing when I was a teenager, too. I kinda grew out of it, though.

In case it was missed in this thread (which I couldn't be bothered to read), the American Academy of Pediatrics recently published their updated position on circumcision and emphasized the benefits of it.

Are we playing Appeal to authority now? Here, let me try: 9 out of 10 dentists recommends circumcision for treatment of anal warts.

It's frankly no surprise that some medical authorities(?) in America "recommend" genital mutilation. It's a huge business there. The rest of the civilized world has largely recognized the fact that circumcision offers no medical benefits whatsoever (except in those rare cases where it is medically necessary) and is in fact harmful.

personally I hardly care about the issue

Apparently you care enough to post in this thread.

and find it funny that a bunch of you on here have suddenly gotten a bee in your bonnet about it. Is it really that slow around here that you have to pretend that circumcision is a big deal?

Well, I guess if you don't have much use for your penis, it might not be a "big deal" to you to lose up to 75% of your genital sensitivity. Makes sense. But I don't think you should generalize your callous attitude (no pun intended) towards the rest of the population. Go chop your own foreskin, if that's what floats your boat, but don't force it upon others.

[Dukasaur]

In case it was missed in this thread (which I couldn't be bothered to read), the American Academy of Pediatrics recently published their updated position on circumcision and emphasized the benefits of it. Anywho, here's the article if you're bored enough to read it

Umm... what article were you reading? The link you posted points to an article that did not "emphasized the benefits" but rather was quite neutral, pointing out that both the risks and the possible benefits are quite trivial.

Parents and physicians each have an ethical duty to the child to attempt to secure the child's best interest and well-being.119 However, it is often uncertain as to what is in the best interest of any individual patient. In cases such as the decision to perform a circumcision in the neonatal period when there are potential benefits and risks and the procedure is not essential to the child's current well-being, it should be the parents who determine what is in the best interest of the child. In the pluralistic society of the United States in which parents are afforded wide authority for determining what constitutes appropriate child-rearing and child welfare, it is legitimate for the parents to take into account cultural, religious, and ethnic traditions, in addition to medical factors, when making this choice.119

Physicians counseling families concerning this decision should assist the parents by explaining the potential benefits and risks and by ensuring that they understand that circumcision is an elective procedure. Parents should not be coerced by medical professionals to make this choice.
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SUMMARY AND RECOMMENDATIONS

Existing scientific evidence demonstrates potential medical benefits of newborn male circumcision; however, these data are not sufficient to recommend routine neonatal circumcision. In the case of circumcision, in which there are potential benefits and risks, yet the procedure is not essential to the child's current well-being, parents should determine what is in the best interest of the child. To make an informed choice, parents of all male infants should be given accurate and unbiased information and be provided the opportunity to discuss this decision. It is legitimate for parents to take into account cultural, religious, and ethnic traditions, in addition to the medical factors, when making this decision. Analgesia is safe and effective in reducing the procedural pain associated with circumcision; therefore, if a decision for circumcision is made, procedural analgesia should be provided. If circumcision is performed in the newborn period, it should only be done on infants who are stable and healthy.

(boldface emphasis added.)

[saxitoxin]

In case it was missed in this thread (which I couldn't be bothered to read), the American Academy of Pediatrics recently published their updated position on circumcision and emphasized the benefits of it.

Are we playing Appeal to authority now? Here, let me try: 9 out of 10 dentists recommends circumcision for treatment of anal warts.

It's frankly no surprise that some medical authorities(?) in America "recommend" genital mutilation. It's a huge business there. The rest of the civilized world has largely recognized the fact that circumcision offers no medical benefits whatsoever (except in those rare cases where it is medically necessary) and is in fact harmful.

Natty has a good point. As I posted via link a couple pages ago, in all but 11 states circumcision is covered by insurance and is like a $400 procedure. If an obstetrician performed 1 per day, that's basically $100,000 bonus every year for very little work. The average American obstetrician makes $218,610 / year. (http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes291064.htm)

What motivation does the AAP have for recommending against this procedure when it's buying each of their members a new Lexus every year? This is like Exxon publishing a research study that says off-shore oil drilling is good for the environment.

(plus, what Dukasaur said)

[AndyDufresne]

How much does it cost to have a Rabbi perform the circumcision?


--Andy

[rdsrds2120]

Where'd saxi's comment of 100 shekels go?


edit:


-rd

[Pedronicus]

I have discovered a man who was circumcised at hthe age of 30. He will know if sex is better or worse before or after the op.

Only problem is, it's my boss.

he's semi retired now. I'll ask him next time he's in work. I doubt I'll get the tin tack for asking this question.
After all, it's all in the name of scientific research ....

[saxitoxin]

I have discovered a man who was circumcised at hthe age of 30.

It sounds like you've been on quite the adventure!

Pedro on the hunt for circumcised men.

[patrickaa317]

How much does it cost to have a Rabbi perform the circumcision?


--Andy

Not sure but I do know that they get to keep the tip.

[xeno]

Girls like that shit better snipped trust me. I get compliments all the time on the roundness and how bulbous the tip of my circumcised penis is.