Block the Vote 2012

[Phatscotty]

You listen to the dumbest shit ever.

"My listeners are the only people who are brave enough to stand up for their true convictions. There are even politicians who are afraid" of something for some reason and we are just flattering you and making shit up as we go along so you'll listen to us and not think about what we are saying.

I'm sharing whatever discussions I find and think other people would find interesting. It's a lot better then photo-spamming the forum with garbage and lies

[Nobunaga]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -can-vote/

... Talking about vote-blocking, this is sad.

[Juan_Bottom]

Wait... the Republicans are beating the shit out of black people for voting in 2012?!?!?! Weird, I thought that was a Black Panther with the night stick outside my polling place in 2008.

Yeah one group of Black Panthers outside a polling place is totally comparable to Jim Crow and Southern Strategy and being systematically beaten with clubs; which the image clearly states happened in Selma, Alabama 1965.

... Talking about vote-blocking, this is sad.

Yeah, obviously this belongs here.

[jimboston]

Wait... the Republicans are beating the shit out of black people for voting in 2012?!?!?! Weird, I thought that was a Black Panther with the night stick outside my polling place in 2008.

Yeah one group of Black Panthers outside a polling place is totally comparable to Jim Crow and Southern Strategy and being systematically beaten with clubs; which the image clearly states happened in Selma, Alabama 1965.

ummm... the point is that the image and the Jim Crow laws are from 1965. That's um... nearly 50 years ago.

The Blank Panthers intimidating white voters is from 2008.

[thegreekdog]

Wait... the Republicans are beating the shit out of black people for voting in 2012?!?!?! Weird, I thought that was a Black Panther with the night stick outside my polling place in 2008.

Yeah one group of Black Panthers outside a polling place is totally comparable to Jim Crow and Southern Strategy and being systematically beaten with clubs; which the image clearly states happened in Selma, Alabama 1965.

ummm... the point is that the image and the Jim Crow laws are from 1965. That's um... nearly 50 years ago.

The Blank Panthers intimidating white voters is from 2008.

Juanscotty knows what the point is.

[Juan_Bottom]

I don't think you know what the point was.

You basically said that we could ignore the continued struggle of an entire race of Americans because two(?) of them stood outside a poling place in 2008.

John Lewis was friends with MLK and marched with him. He was beaten with clubs for trying to protect voter's rights. Now here we are 50 years later and he still has to protest this shit. Only this time, as member of the House. That was the point of the caption and the picture.
Sure the Repubs have put down the clubs and instead created caging lists and ended weekend voting for blacks, but to say that all of that is irrelevant because of two(?) black panthers? DA F*CK?
The comparison is lame, lazy, and stupid. And because of that intellectual laziness it's almost like you're saying two(?) black panthers are a fair representation of their entire race.

[BigBallinStalin]

I don't think you know what the point was.

You basically said that we could ignore the continued struggle of an entire race of Americans because two(?) of them stood outside a poling place in 2008.

John Lewis was friends with MLK and marched with him. He was beaten with clubs for trying to protect voter's rights. Now here we are 50 years later and he still has to protest this shit. Only this time, as member of the House. That was the point of the caption and the picture.
Sure the Repubs have put down the clubs and instead created caging lists and ended weekend voting for blacks, but to say that all of that is irrelevant because of two(?) black panthers? DA F*CK?
The comparison is lame, lazy, and stupid. And because of that intellectual laziness it's almost like you're saying two(?) black panthers are a fair representation of their entire race.

This propaganda would go better with a heavy helping of pictures and youtube clips.

[kentington]

I don't think you know what the point was.

You basically said that we could ignore the continued struggle of an entire race of Americans because two(?) of them stood outside a poling place in 2008.

John Lewis was friends with MLK and marched with him. He was beaten with clubs for trying to protect voter's rights. Now here we are 50 years later and he still has to protest this shit. Only this time, as member of the House. That was the point of the caption and the picture.
Sure the Repubs have put down the clubs and instead created caging lists and ended weekend voting for blacks, but to say that all of that is irrelevant because of two(?) black panthers? DA F*CK?
The comparison is lame, lazy, and stupid. And because of that intellectual laziness it's almost like you're saying two(?) black panthers are a fair representation of their entire race.

Regardless of race. If nothing happened to these Black Panthers, then doesn't that suggest that it is representative of the views of some of those in power?
Also, why is it suggesting that it is their entire race that is doing this? Are you suggesting that all Republicans feel the way you say they do?

[Juan_Bottom]

I said that because there was almost a subtle suggestion that there is a racial/conservative polling station war going on here. Like Blacks are intimidating voters and Republicans are blocking black votes.

Regardless of race. If nothing happened to these Black Panthers, then doesn't that suggest that it is representative of the views of some of those in power?

Naw. They were arrested.
Greg Palast, a journalist for the BBC, was called to a 'Registration Station' in a Black community in Florida. He caught a private eye filming people's faces as they left the station, then he later confirmed and tied him to the Florida Republicans and their caging practices. If there wasn't enough to convict that guy, it doesn't seem like there would be enough to convict the two BPs. But anyway, the investigation into the Black Panthers was actually dropped under the Bush Administration because one of them was a registered polling agent, then later it was picked up again by the Obama administration - which did secure an injunction or a conviction against one of those guys. I see nothing racist about that at all.

Are you suggesting that all Republicans feel the way you say they do?

Silence is consent - and it helps no one but those who have the power. If I were a registered Republican in one of the communities where votes were being blocked I would be livid.... and some of them rightfully have been. You've probably noticed that it's only the Democrats who have been working to stop this trespass into voter rights. Republicans by and large don't seem to know whats going on or else they don't care. You can see examples of that in this very thread.

[kentington]

I said that because there was almost a subtle suggestion that there is a racial/conservative polling station war going on here. Like Blacks are intimidating voters and Republicans are blocking black votes.

Regardless of race. If nothing happened to these Black Panthers, then doesn't that suggest that it is representative of the views of some of those in power?

Naw. They were arrested.
Greg Palast, a journalist for the BBC, was called to a 'Registration Station' in a Black community in Florida. He caught a private eye filming people's faces as they left the station, then he later confirmed and tied him to the Florida Republicans and their caging practices. If there wasn't enough to convict that guy, it doesn't seem like there would be enough to convict the two BPs. But anyway, the investigation into the Black Panthers was actually dropped under the Bush Administration because one of them was a registered polling agent, then later it was picked up again by the Obama administration - which did secure an injunction or a conviction against one of those guys. I see nothing racist about that at all.

Seriously, I heard nothing about any convictions. It's not surprising, all media sources like to provide "breaking news" but they don't really like to add the closure part when it happens.

Are you suggesting that all Republicans feel the way you say they do?

Silence is consent - and it helps no one but those who have the power. If I were a registered Republican in one of the communities where votes were being blocked I would be livid.... and some of them rightfully have been. You've probably noticed that it's only the Democrats who have been working to stop this trespass into voter rights. Republicans by and large don't seem to know whats going on or else they don't care. You can see examples of that in this very thread.

On this part I will have to read the rest of the thread. It was just that last stuff that caught my eye. I belong in the uninformed portion.

[Phatscotty]

the REAL blocking of the vote.

[Juan_Bottom]

Jon Stewart Tears Apart Voter Suppression Like Only Jon Stewart Can

[thegreekdog]

I don't think you know what the point was.

You basically said that we could ignore the continued struggle of an entire race of Americans because two(?) of them stood outside a poling place in 2008.

John Lewis was friends with MLK and marched with him. He was beaten with clubs for trying to protect voter's rights. Now here we are 50 years later and he still has to protest this shit. Only this time, as member of the House. That was the point of the caption and the picture.
Sure the Repubs have put down the clubs and instead created caging lists and ended weekend voting for blacks, but to say that all of that is irrelevant because of two(?) black panthers? DA F*CK?
The comparison is lame, lazy, and stupid. And because of that intellectual laziness it's almost like you're saying two(?) black panthers are a fair representation of their entire race.

I'm saying John Lewis's comparison of the voter identification laws proposed by Republicans is not a fair comparison to getting beaten in 1965 for trying to vote. It's like if I compared hurting my foot to someone getting killed.

I'm saying the best comparison to getting beaten in 1965 for trying to vote is the situation where two Black Panthers stood outside a Philadelphia polling place with weapons to try to intimidate people.

I'm making no conclusions, observations, or judgments based on race.

[WILLIAMS5232]

the democrats want the poor vote for the same reason the republicans don't want it.

it's just a section of society that votes for false promises because they have nothing to lose.

the democrats don't care about the poor.... just the vote. to act like some do gooder that's concerned about peoples rights, well that's just silly....it's kind of like cheating.

[Juan_Bottom]

What makes you think that the Democrats don't care about the poor?
Was it the legislation they passed to give them health insurance, or raise the minimum wage, the legislation that lowered their taxes, the legislation that increased funding to pay for poor family's utilities during winter, or what? If I remember correctly, because it was forever ago... Clinton said "we're all in this together."

[notyou2]

the democrats want the poor vote for the same reason the republicans don't want it.

it's just a section of society that votes for false promises because they have nothing to lose.

the democrats don't care about the poor.... just the vote. to act like some do gooder that's concerned about peoples rights, well that's just silly....it's kind of like cheating.

So, you are saying the poor have no right to vote?

[thegreekdog]

What makes you think that the Democrats don't care about the poor?
Was it the legislation they passed to give them health insurance, or raise the minimum wage, the legislation that lowered their taxes, the legislation that increased funding to pay for poor family's utilities during winter, or what? If I remember correctly, because it was forever ago... Clinton said "we're all in this together."

What legislation did the Democrats pass that gave poor people health insurance?
Do you know why Democrats vote to raise the minimum wage?
What legislation did the Democrats pass to lower taxes? Did Republicans vote for that legislation? Did a Republican president sign that legislation?
Utilities? WTF?

Neither party cares about poor people.

[Juan_Bottom]

What legislation did the Democrats pass that gave poor people health insurance?

Obamacare. Even if you can't afford mandatory health insurance, you'll be covered under the government plan.

Do you know why Democrats vote to raise the minimum wage?

Do you know Republicans are against it? Or that they want to repeal it on the Marianna Islands - re-instituting Chinese Slavery on American territory?

What legislation did the Democrats pass to lower taxes? Did Republicans vote for that legislation? Did a Republican president sign that legislation?

Obama lowered taxes by an average of $2K for 95% of working families. People don't feel it because everything got so expensive.

Utilities? WTF?

Yeah, another Obama program that will partially or fully pay for heating costs over winter for low income families. They've always had programs to help pay electric bills.

[rdsrds2120]

Utilities? WTF?

Yeah, another Obama program that will partially or fully pay for heating costs over winter for low income families. They've always had programs to help pay electric bills.

These are nothing new greek. My family has had to get them a number of times.

BMO

[WILLIAMS5232]

What makes you think that the Democrats don't care about the poor?
Was it the legislation they passed to give them health insurance, or raise the minimum wage, the legislation that lowered their taxes, the legislation that increased funding to pay for poor family's utilities during winter, or what? If I remember correctly, because it was forever ago... Clinton said "we're all in this together."

i think they don't care, at least the ones in office, because the poor stay poor. maybe you care, but it's a futile effort at best. so i'd just spend your energy doing a more productive task. like say caring about protecting bison in south dakota or something. if obama cared, he'd try addressing the problem with some postive motivation a bit more. instead he just focuses on saying what they want him to say. " i'll get you more jobs...blah blah blah.... we're all in this together blah, blah, blah....... hahahahahaha what a bunch of suckers. hey if that's the life they're happy to lead, you know. more power to them.

So, you are saying the poor have no right to vote?

nope, that's not what i'm saying.
i'm saying they're being used like pawns... and they don't care because they don't have a pot to piss in.

[Phatscotty]

the democrats want the poor vote for the same reason the republicans don't want it.

it's just a section of society that votes for false promises because they have nothing to lose.

the democrats don't care about the poor.... just the vote. to act like some do gooder that's concerned about peoples rights, well that's just silly....it's kind of like cheating.

[Juan_Bottom]

What makes you think that the Democrats don't care about the poor?
Was it the legislation they passed to give them health insurance, or raise the minimum wage, the legislation that lowered their taxes, the legislation that increased funding to pay for poor family's utilities during winter, or what? If I remember correctly, because it was forever ago... Clinton said "we're all in this together."

i think they don't care, at least the ones in office, because the poor stay poor. maybe you care, but it's a futile effort at best. so i'd just spend your energy doing a more productive task. like say caring about protecting bison in south dakota or something. if obama cared, he'd try addressing the problem with some postive motivation a bit more. instead he just focuses on saying what they want him to say. " i'll get you more jobs...blah blah blah.... we're all in this together blah, blah, blah....... hahahahahaha what a bunch of suckers. hey if that's the life they're happy to lead, you know. more power to them.

So, you are saying the poor have no right to vote?

nope, that's not what i'm saying.
i'm saying they're being used like pawns... and they don't care because they don't have a pot to piss in.

I just named off some legislation aimed at helping the poor. The goal isn't to pay people because they live in poverty. The goal is to help them raise themselves out of poverty. That's why we have legislation to pay for their heating in the winter, to pay their health insurance, to maintain a minimum wage, and to reduce the burden of going to college.

[WILLIAMS5232]

the democrats want the poor vote for the same reason the republicans don't want it.

it's just a section of society that votes for false promises because they have nothing to lose.

the democrats don't care about the poor.... just the vote. to act like some do gooder that's concerned about peoples rights, well that's just silly....it's kind of like cheating.

how can anyone be sympathetic to this guy and his "predicament"?
this is the key mindset that makes me hate liberal policy so much. this is just what that policy creates. a bunch of these guys.

[WILLIAMS5232]

What makes you think that the Democrats don't care about the poor?
Was it the legislation they passed to give them health insurance, or raise the minimum wage, the legislation that lowered their taxes, the legislation that increased funding to pay for poor family's utilities during winter, or what? If I remember correctly, because it was forever ago... Clinton said "we're all in this together."

i think they don't care, at least the ones in office, because the poor stay poor. maybe you care, but it's a futile effort at best. so i'd just spend your energy doing a more productive task. like say caring about protecting bison in south dakota or something. if obama cared, he'd try addressing the problem with some postive motivation a bit more. instead he just focuses on saying what they want him to say. " i'll get you more jobs...blah blah blah.... we're all in this together blah, blah, blah....... hahahahahaha what a bunch of suckers. hey if that's the life they're happy to lead, you know. more power to them.

So, you are saying the poor have no right to vote?

nope, that's not what i'm saying.
i'm saying they're being used like pawns... and they don't care because they don't have a pot to piss in.

I just named off some legislation aimed at helping the poor. The goal isn't to pay people because they live in poverty. The goal is to help them raise themselves out of poverty. That's why we have legislation to pay for their heating in the winter, to pay their health insurance, to maintain a minimum wage, and to reduce the burden of going to college.

just altogether do away with hard work huh?
makes sense.

[Juan_Bottom]

I'm sure that's a good argument on another planet, but the flaw here is that this is Earth.

Why is it that the moment you realize that you've been caught bullshitting your way through a discussion you resort to shoving your fingers in your ears and yelling "NOOOOO." Don't be so childish.
Dude, I ain't even made, I don't even care. I was trying to help you.