1 Dead in Pakistan Consulate Attack

[2dimes]

Oh, uh. Which side are we on here?

[Woodruff]

Oh, uh. Which side are we on here?

According to that Russian dude, I'm in with Canada.

[2dimes]

Bring a stick to Ottawa then stat and not a store bought one that'll get seized at the border. I don't know if we're whacking muslims, french people or agnostic/christian anglophiles yet but we're planning some form of pre-emptive thing.

You might want to grab up some booze at the duty free also. I'm in for XX lager or Bowmore single malt. 15 year the darkest if they've got it. Pay you back K?

[2dimes]

I expect notyou2 will have T-shirts for $30 bucks cdn. Either,
Kill 'em all. Let god sort them out.
That thing about allah in arabic.
or
Viva la whatever.

Depending on what side we're taking.

[fadedpsychosis]

You don't think Israel is going to attack anyone? Just reading through your thread, I'm getting a thrill up my leg that something is going down, perhaps enemies of Israel are acting pre-emptively here? Or else what is the bigger picture if there is one? What city would you guess this will spread to after Libya?

good question, IDK

So far, it seems these actions are only in countries that the US had a hand in.....

Amsterdam?

Ottawa would be my guess.

Are you pondering what I think you're pondering?

I don't know brain, burlap chafes me so...

[Night Strike]

Congratulations America for supporting the "peaceful" Arab Spring (and the rebels in Libya): they have killed a US Ambassador and others. A blatant attack against the US, yet all we do is "strongly condemn" it.

[comic boy]

So exactly what do you want to be done , invade somewhere , nuke a few hundred thousand people , seriously what do you expect ?

[notyou2]

Congratulations America for supporting the "peaceful" Arab Spring (and the rebels in Libya): they have killed a US Ambassador and others. A blatant attack against the US, yet all we do is "strongly condemn" it.

Blame Hollywood.

[Night Strike]

Congratulations America for supporting the "peaceful" Arab Spring (and the rebels in Libya): they have killed a US Ambassador and others. A blatant attack against the US, yet all we do is "strongly condemn" it.

Blame Hollywood.

No. I blame the violent mobs and radical Muslims.

[notyou2]

Did I type Hollywood? I meant religion.

[fadedpsychosis]

Did I type Hollywood? I meant religion.

say fanaticism of any kind, whether religious or otherwise, and I'll agree

[patches70]

Hey! I guess maybe that MooMoor was telling the truth before he was bombed, captured, sodomized and murdered. He was fighting against terrorists!

Who'da thunk it?

And now we know

[comic boy]

Did I type Hollywood? I meant religion.

say fanaticism of any kind, whether religious or otherwise, and I'll agree

You nailed it !

[BigBallinStalin]

Congratulations America for supporting the "peaceful" Arab Spring (and the rebels in Libya): they have killed a US Ambassador and others. A blatant attack against the US, yet all we do is "strongly condemn" it.

Blame Hollywood.

No. I blame the violent mobs and radical Muslims.

Although the film may have served as a tipping point, what are the fundamental causes of directing violence toward the US?

If it's radical Islam, then why don't they attack other countries' consulates whenever a provocative film is produced within whatever nations' borders?

[fadedpsychosis]

Congratulations America for supporting the "peaceful" Arab Spring (and the rebels in Libya): they have killed a US Ambassador and others. A blatant attack against the US, yet all we do is "strongly condemn" it.

Blame Hollywood.

No. I blame the violent mobs and radical Muslims.

Although the film may have served as a tipping point, what are the fundamental causes of directing violence toward the US?

If it's radical Islam, then why don't they attack other countries' consulates whenever a provocative film is produced within whatever nations' borders?

because India's not stupid enough to produce something like that?

[patches70]

Did I type Hollywood? I meant religion.

say fanaticism of any kind, whether religious or otherwise, and I'll agree

I'm just playing devil's advocate here, for a second. I don't know how wise it is to just put this down to "fanaticism" and "radicals" and then just let it end there.

It doesn't really matter the motives of a crazed radical, one has few choices but to resist unless of a like mind.

However, considering that in Libya, the US participated in a pretty brutal bombing campaign, fueled the violence, killed quite a few people (and certainly not all of them were strictly bad guys we killed, let's be honest here). The US had a big hand in the anarchy and chaos and is responsible for the deaths of quite a few people, women, children and innocents included. Some were accidents, admittedly, but some were quite deliberate. I mean, we targeted specifically MooMoor's family, including little children.

That's pretty messed up any way you think about it. If such had happened to you, maybe your mother, your father, your children, your friends, your home, your city, your neighbors, whom or whatever, was demolished by bombs made in the USA, delivered by the US and dropped by the USA or her allies, would you be "radical" because you wanted the USA out of your country?

I don't know about the rest of you, but do that to my family and neighbors, and I just might be quite fanatical. My enemies could certainly choose to not bother with any self reflecting, so be it, but it won't change the fact that'd I'd be gunning for them.


By just dismissing this as done by people for no other reason than, basically, "their just crazy", is not very wise, IMO.

So, label them however you want, but if we don't start understanding why people are driven to such lengths, then we are doomed to see more and more of the same and never understanding why the violence just keeps getting worse.


Just sayin' is all. There are consequences of our actions and just because we label those who are the instrument of those consequences as "bad guys" doesn't change the fact of our own misdeeds and errors that we should ultimately be held accountable for. It's called blowback and if we don't start thinking instead of just labeling, we'll be seeing a lot more blowback.

[saxitoxin]

Hey! I guess maybe that MooMoor was telling the truth before he was bombed, captured, sodomized and murdered. He was fighting against terrorists!

Who'da thunk it?

And now we know

+10,000 SaxBucks

[patches70]

Hey! I guess maybe that MooMoor was telling the truth before he was bombed, captured, sodomized and murdered. He was fighting against terrorists!

Who'da thunk it?

And now we know

+10,000 SaxBucks

All right! How many hookers and blow can I buy with that?

[BigBallinStalin]

Libyan Deputy Prime Minister Mustafa Abushagur said Stevens was "a friend of Libya, and we are shocked at the the attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/afr ... index.html

His government is the recipient of those $30+ billion in Qaddafi assets, which were previously held by the US.

The Muslim Brotherhood on Wednesday condemned the violence.

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"It's no problem for them to protest and have their demands ... but it doesn't mean you need to (inflict) any harm on the embassy here," said Dina Zakaria, a representative of the Muslim Brotherhood.

"Just because you are against something doesn't mean you have to kill," she said. "I think it's really a disaster."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/stor ... 57752828/1


Even the Muslim Brotherhood condemns the attacks, and note that they are also part of Egyptian politics.


The above two examples shows the new rules of the game for Egyptian politics.

[Woodruff]

Congratulations America for supporting the "peaceful" Arab Spring (and the rebels in Libya)

So you don't believe that the people of a nation should be able to form their own government? You're ready for the United Nations to tell America what kind of government we can have, are you?

[Woodruff]

Congratulations America for supporting the "peaceful" Arab Spring (and the rebels in Libya): they have killed a US Ambassador and others. A blatant attack against the US, yet all we do is "strongly condemn" it.

Blame Hollywood.

No. I blame the violent mobs and radical Muslims.

Your original post seemed to be blaming America. But that was probably just your partisanship speaking.

[BigBallinStalin]

Libya's Deputy Interior Minister Wanis Al-Sharif said.

An evacuation plane with U.S. commandos units then arrived from Tripoli to evacuate them from the house.

"It was supposed to be a secret place and we were surprised the armed groups knew about it. There was shooting," Sharif said. Two U.S. personnel were killed there, he said. Two other people were killed at the main consular building and between 12 and 17 wounded.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/ ... EI20120912

The group knew about their escape route? That takes planning, which takes more than 1 day from being ignited by some film. It seems that the film is really just a proximate cause, or an excuse. So, if that's true, what would be the ultimate causes? Why target the US embassy?

Descriptions of the consulate attack described chaos and bloodshed, with Libyan security over-run and retreating.

"We started shooting at them, and then some other people also threw hand-made bombs over the fences and started the fires in the buildings," said 17-year-old Hamam, who took part in the assault and refused to give his last name.

"There was some Libyan security for the embassy outside but when the hand-made bombs went off they ran off and left," said Hamam, who said he saw an American die in front of him in the mayhem that ensued. He said he his body was covered in ash.

The attack was believed to have been carried out by Ansar al-Sharia, an al Qaeda-style Sunni Islamist group that has been active in Benghazi, a Libyan security official said. Witnesses said the mob also included tribesmen, militia and other gunmen.

Ansar al-Sharia cars arrived at the start of the protest but left once fighting started, Hamam said. "The protesters were running around the compound just looking for Americans, they just wanted to find an American so they could catch one."

Looking past the rhetoric, the US at this moment is not sure who perpetrated the attack.

More information will come to light; however, it seems that this attack was planned. The film was a tipping point or a useful excuse, but contrary to narrow-sighted reporting, the film is not The Cause. Was it a catalyst? Sure. A proximate cause? Sure. An ultimate cause? Most likely not.

[Woodruff]

Just sayin' is all. There are consequences of our actions and just because we label those who are the instrument of those consequences as "bad guys" doesn't change the fact of our own misdeeds and errors that we should ultimately be held accountable for. It's called blowback and if we don't start thinking instead of just labeling, we'll be seeing a lot more blowback.

Certainly, this is true.

[BigBallinStalin]

Congratulations America for supporting the "peaceful" Arab Spring (and the rebels in Libya): they have killed a US Ambassador and others. A blatant attack against the US, yet all we do is "strongly condemn" it.

Blame Hollywood.

No. I blame the violent mobs and radical Muslims.

Your original post seemed to be blaming America. But that was probably just your partisanship speaking.

Given the history of US intervention in the Middle East, then yes, the US is partly to blame for this unintended consequence of its own foreign policies.

[saxitoxin]

The protesters were running around the compound just looking for Americans, they just wanted to find an American so they could catch one."

AMERICON - Gotta catch 'em all!