Romney Avoids Taxes via following the law

[MegaProphet]

Romney Avoids Taxes via Loophole Cutting Mormon Donations
So does this make him part of the 47%?

[thegreekdog]

Let's be clear. A loophole is something that is in the tax law that has unintended consequences. This scheme is something that was entirely intended. Therefore, it is not a tax loophole. Romney is taking advantage of wealthy rent-seekers who successfully lobbied Congress to make the Internal Revenue Code allow this type of scheme.

[Phatscotty]

please change your threads name to "Romney follows the law"

wait, unless an American citizen got drone attacked and killed by this loophole?

[Woodruff]

please change your threads name to "Romney follows the law"

wait, unless an American citizen got drone attacked and killed by this loophole?

Billionaire uses tax loopholes to bring his taxes down to zero = "He's being smart."
Homeless mother uses food stamps to buy dinner so her kids don't starve = "OMG WELFARE QUEEN!!!!"

Look, it's certainly true that he didn't break the law and I don't think he should be
villified for this, honestly. It's not an unusual situation (unfortunately). That being said, I
think it does call into question the personal ethics of the man, which is something that
I personally think should be considered in an election (of pretty much any nature).

[MegaProphet]

please change your threads name to "Romney follows the law"

wait, unless an American citizen got drone attacked and killed by this loophole?

I don't know how you got "American citizen got drone attacked and killed" from Romney Avoids Taxes via loophole, but if it makes it easier for you to understand then fine I'll change the title for you

[Dukasaur]

please change your threads name to "Romney follows the law"

wait, unless an American citizen got drone attacked and killed by this loophole?

Billionaire uses tax loopholes to bring his taxes down to zero = "He's being smart."
Homeless mother uses food stamps to buy dinner so her kids don't starve = "OMG WELFARE QUEEN!!!!"

Look, it's certainly true that he didn't break the law and I don't think he should be
villified for this, honestly. It's not an unusual situation (unfortunately). That being said, I
think it does call into question the personal ethics of the man, which is something that
I personally think should be considered in an election (of pretty much any nature).

Just in case Scotty is unable to read your post, I'll quote it for him....

[Phatscotty]

please change your threads name to "Romney follows the law"

wait, unless an American citizen got drone attacked and killed by this loophole?

Billionaire uses tax loopholes to bring his taxes down to zero = "He's being smart."
Homeless mother uses food stamps to buy dinner so her kids don't starve = "OMG WELFARE QUEEN!!!!"

Look, it's certainly true that he didn't break the law and I don't think he should be
villified for this, honestly. It's not an unusual situation (unfortunately). That being said, I
think it does call into question the personal ethics of the man, which is something that
I personally think should be considered in an election (of pretty much any nature).

Just in case Scotty is unable to read your post, I'll quote it for him....

I'm well aware of the strategy of stating extremes based on stereotypes and then playing on people emotions and compassion.

I just don't think the OP is anywhere close to a valid attack, or whatever it's supposed to be to make Romney look bad

[thegreekdog]

please change your threads name to "Romney follows the law"

wait, unless an American citizen got drone attacked and killed by this loophole?

Billionaire uses tax loopholes to bring his taxes down to zero = "He's being smart."
Homeless mother uses food stamps to buy dinner so her kids don't starve = "OMG WELFARE QUEEN!!!!"

Look, it's certainly true that he didn't break the law and I don't think he should be
villified for this, honestly. It's not an unusual situation (unfortunately). That being said, I
think it does call into question the personal ethics of the man, which is something that
I personally think should be considered in an election (of pretty much any nature).

Not a loophole.

The more people that refer to these as loopholes, the more people will ignore the lobbying that gets those tax provisions passed.

[BigBallinStalin]

please change your threads name to "Romney follows the law"

wait, unless an American citizen got drone attacked and killed by this loophole?

Billionaire uses tax loopholes to bring his taxes down to zero = "He's being smart."
Homeless mother uses food stamps to buy dinner so her kids don't starve = "OMG WELFARE QUEEN!!!!"

Look, it's certainly true that he didn't break the law and I don't think he should be
villified for this, honestly. It's not an unusual situation (unfortunately). That being said, I
think it does call into question the personal ethics of the man, which is something that
I personally think should be considered in an election (of pretty much any nature).

Not a loophole.

The more people that refer to these as loopholes, the more people will ignore the lobbying that gets those tax provisions passed.

Instead of calling it "lobbying" or "crony capitalism," let's call it "wealth-enhancement" because these tax provisions cause "tax attorney job creation," which "stimulates the economy."

[Woodruff]

please change your threads name to "Romney follows the law"

wait, unless an American citizen got drone attacked and killed by this loophole?

Billionaire uses tax loopholes to bring his taxes down to zero = "He's being smart."
Homeless mother uses food stamps to buy dinner so her kids don't starve = "OMG WELFARE QUEEN!!!!"

Look, it's certainly true that he didn't break the law and I don't think he should be
villified for this, honestly. It's not an unusual situation (unfortunately). That being said, I
think it does call into question the personal ethics of the man, which is something that
I personally think should be considered in an election (of pretty much any nature).

Just in case Scotty is unable to read your post, I'll quote it for him....

I'm well aware of the strategy of stating extremes based on stereotypes and then playing on people emotions and compassion.

Or, you know, the man's ethics.

I just don't think the OP is anywhere close to a valid attack, or whatever it's supposed to be to make Romney look bad

Considering his personal ethics, I believe it does.

[Symmetry]

Perhaps one of those threads where the distinction between ethics and morals is important.

[Night Strike]

please change your threads name to "Romney follows the law"

wait, unless an American citizen got drone attacked and killed by this loophole?

Billionaire uses tax loopholes to bring his taxes down to zero = "He's being smart."
Homeless mother uses food stamps to buy dinner so her kids don't starve = "OMG WELFARE QUEEN!!!!"

You're equating a person who wants to keep more of their own money to someone who is getting handouts from others?

Look, it's certainly true that he didn't break the law and I don't think he should be
villified for this, honestly. It's not an unusual situation (unfortunately). That being said, I
think it does call into question the personal ethics of the man, which is something that
I personally think should be considered in an election (of pretty much any nature).

So it's now unethical to take deductions to lower the amount of taxes one has to pay and to raise the amount of money one gets to keep?

[Phatscotty]

anything they don't agree with is unethical, and it's not possible they could be wrong because they are right and everyone must agree with their interpretation of what is ethical

[Symmetry]

anything they don't agree with is unethical, and it's not possible they could be wrong because they are right and everyone must agree with their interpretation of what is ethical

What would be the morally correct stance though, Scotty?

[Woodruff]

please change your threads name to "Romney follows the law"

wait, unless an American citizen got drone attacked and killed by this loophole?

Billionaire uses tax loopholes to bring his taxes down to zero = "He's being smart."
Homeless mother uses food stamps to buy dinner so her kids don't starve = "OMG WELFARE QUEEN!!!!"

You're equating a person who wants to keep more of their own money to someone who is getting handouts from others?

I am equating ethics. I realize that ethics aren't particularly important to you Christians, but try to put yourself in someone else's shoes for a change.

Look, it's certainly true that he didn't break the law and I don't think he should be
villified for this, honestly. It's not an unusual situation (unfortunately). That being said, I
think it does call into question the personal ethics of the man, which is something that
I personally think should be considered in an election (of pretty much any nature).

So it's now unethical to take deductions to lower the amount of taxes one has to pay and to raise the amount of money one gets to keep?

I think it says quite a lot about an individual who wants to be President, yes.

[Woodruff]

anything they don't agree with is unethical, and it's not possible they could be wrong because they are right and everyone must agree with their interpretation of what is ethical

Thanks, Fox News.

[Symmetry]

anything they don't agree with is unethical, and it's not possible they could be wrong because they are right and everyone must agree with their interpretation of what is ethical

Thanks, Fox News.

Seems kind of Romneyesque- flexible ethics depending on whatever people think should be ethical.

[Night Strike]

please change your threads name to "Romney follows the law"

wait, unless an American citizen got drone attacked and killed by this loophole?

Billionaire uses tax loopholes to bring his taxes down to zero = "He's being smart."
Homeless mother uses food stamps to buy dinner so her kids don't starve = "OMG WELFARE QUEEN!!!!"

You're equating a person who wants to keep more of their own money to someone who is getting handouts from others?

I am equating ethics. I realize that ethics aren't particularly important to you Christians, but try to put yourself in someone else's shoes for a change.

I don't know where you get your hatred for Christianity (and randomly inserting it here), but whatever. You still haven't addressed the issue. Why are those things equal in your mind?

Look, it's certainly true that he didn't break the law and I don't think he should be
villified for this, honestly. It's not an unusual situation (unfortunately). That being said, I
think it does call into question the personal ethics of the man, which is something that
I personally think should be considered in an election (of pretty much any nature).

So it's now unethical to take deductions to lower the amount of taxes one has to pay and to raise the amount of money one gets to keep?

I think it says quite a lot about an individual who wants to be President, yes.

So it's unethical for people running for office to take deductions in their taxes? Then why are you voting?

[Symmetry]

NS- do you believe that Romney's avoidance of taxes is ethically right, and also morally right for a president? Do you make a distinction between ethics and morals?

[thegreekdog]

THAT is the right question.

[Phatscotty]

Avoiding taxes is as American as apple pie

[Phatscotty]

NS- do you believe that Romney's avoidance of taxes is ethically right, and also morally right for a president? Do you make a distinction between ethics and morals?

you would have a point if Romney's opponent had never written anything off or taken any deductions.....

[Symmetry]

NS- do you believe that Romney's avoidance of taxes is ethically right, and also morally right for a president? Do you make a distinction between ethics and morals?

you would have a point if Romney's opponent had never written anything off or taken any deductions.....

Not really- I have little time for moral equivalency. If Romney did something wrong, he did something wrong. If a Democrat did something similar. that doesn't make Romney right.

You're advocating a race to the bottom.

[thegreekdog]

There is no law requiring that people pay the taxes as calculated pursuant to the Internal Revenue Code. If Mitt Romney or Barack Obama or Warren Buffett wish to pay more taxes, they could pay more taxes. I don't find it relevant to political races how much a politician pays in taxes unless and until his or her opponent voluntarily pays more taxes than the Internal Revenue Code says his or her owes.

[Symmetry]

There is no law requiring that people pay the taxes as calculated pursuant to the Internal Revenue Code. If Mitt Romney or Barack Obama or Warren Buffett wish to pay more taxes, they could pay more taxes. I don't find it relevant to political races how much a politician pays in taxes unless and until his or her opponent voluntarily pays more taxes than the Internal Revenue Code says his or her owes.

That you think it shouldn't be relevant doesn't mean it isn't relevant. It's considerably more meaningful than "who would you rather get a drink with?"