Ron Paul: Anti-American and Enemy to the United States

[patrickaa317]

Huh, he ran away kind of quickly. Come back Patrick!

Busy in RL and shouldn't have even been in the forum last night.

Edit: Do you have anything further to add to the conversation of why a state should or should not be allowed to secede? (other than stating your opinion that if they do they are racist).

[thegreekdog]

I think patrick put it better than I did. Slavery has nothing to do with the current discussion of secession except to use as a strawman.

It is practically stupid in the US, yes. I think secession is stupid. My opinion has nothing to do with slavery. If this is hard for you to understand, perhaps this is not the best thread for you to participate.

Yeah dude, relating a bunch of Southern states seceding to Slavery is just crazy talk on my part. I'm not even sure why I associated the terms. There was that war, where slavery was kind of important, and also secession. But yeah dude, it's not like the issues are related. Dude.

And again we come back to the following question - are you trolling or are you a moron?

Charming as always TGD. Can you try to stay civil?

That was the only civil response I could come up with. I'm just not creative enough. And stop dodging the question.

[Symmetry]

I think patrick put it better than I did. Slavery has nothing to do with the current discussion of secession except to use as a strawman.

It is practically stupid in the US, yes. I think secession is stupid. My opinion has nothing to do with slavery. If this is hard for you to understand, perhaps this is not the best thread for you to participate.

Yeah dude, relating a bunch of Southern states seceding to Slavery is just crazy talk on my part. I'm not even sure why I associated the terms. There was that war, where slavery was kind of important, and also secession. But yeah dude, it's not like the issues are related. Dude.

And again we come back to the following question - are you trolling or are you a moron?

Charming as always TGD. Can you try to stay civil?

That was the only civil response I could come up with. I'm just not creative enough. And stop dodging the question.

The are you a moron or an idiot question? Or the why secession is historically related to slavery one? Both deserve a fairly sarcastic level of dismissal.

[tzor]

And again we come back to the following question - are you trolling or are you a moron?

Actually he makes a good point if you are actually into rational thought and not into touchy-feely argument. The later look into the issue of secession and say "dude, man, that's like that slavery thing." The issue of secession in the Untied States is far greater than the one case of the Civil War. (The last attempt at actual secession took place in the second half of the 20th century by the way. But that was probably started out more as a joke by the fact that the United States has always been more than generous towards those nations it defeats.)

LIkewise, an actual discussion of the causes of the Civil War might be useful for those into rational thought, but is a pointless exercise for those who want to argue the touchy-feely arguments.

[Symmetry]

And then there's always Ron Paul, here describing the US Civil War as unnecessary because the he thinks a bailout for slaveowners would have worked instead.



Ron Paul there folks. Nutjob.

[Viceroy63]

Man; Sure wish I could see that Video!

Maybe you could just post the link Symmetry, and not the Youtube instead.

I can't be the only one who sees that damn Google add to make thousands of dollars at home? Can I?

[CreepersWiener]

And then there's always Ron Paul, here describing the US Civil War as unnecessary because the he thinks a bailout for slaveowners would have worked instead.

I forgot all about that video, I actually remember watching the interview. You make a great point: Why on earth should the government bailout slaveowners? If slavery is wrong, then the slaveowner must acknowledge it is wrong and just free his/her slaves. Paul's stance on Civil Rights is similar. His Libertarian beliefs would make it so certain people aren't allowed into businesses if the owners so deemed it. That restaurants could refuse to seat or serve minorities.

Really? How on earth can anyone argue that this type of thinking is okay?

[Phatscotty]

And again we come back to the following question - are you trolling or are you a moron?

Actually he makes a good point if you are actually into rational thought and not into touchy-feely argument. The later look into the issue of secession and say "dude, man, that's like that slavery thing."

lmFao!

Sad, but true

[Symmetry]

And then there's always Ron Paul, here describing the US Civil War as unnecessary because the he thinks a bailout for slaveowners would have worked instead.

I forgot all about that video, I actually remember watching the interview. You make a great point: Why on earth should the government bailout slaveowners? If slavery is wrong, then the slaveowner must acknowledge it is wrong and just free his/her slaves. Paul's stance on Civil Rights is similar. His Libertarian beliefs would make it so certain people aren't allowed into businesses if the owners so deemed it. That restaurants could refuse to seat or serve minorities.

Really? How on earth can anyone argue that this type of thinking is okay?

This was something that the American South rejected. But hey, Ron Paul, nutjob.

[warmonger1981]

if a person wants to discriminate for what ever reason they should be able to do so. in effect wouldn't they only be hurting themselves from potential future profits? word of mouth spreads and if they are racist i feel most people would not do business with such an ass if they so choose. freedom to tell a person no can have very negative effects.

[Symmetry]

if a person wants to discriminate for what ever reason they should be able to do so. in effect wouldn't they only be hurting themselves from potential future profits? word of mouth spreads and if they are racist i feel most people would not do business with such an ass if they so choose. freedom to tell a person no can have very negative effects.

No dude, they can be hurting other people. Like with the whole thing with slavery.

[Phatscotty]

What is the deal with Brits obsession of 17th and 18th century slavery?

It's like an inbred guilt trip. Get over it

[_sabotage_]

Lets continue to support the Fed, lets continue to forego any semblance of moral authority by removing our constitutional rights one by one. Lets continue to be aggressors.

The more that Iran encourages oil sales in non US dollars, the more that our currency will be inflated. The less we produce the more that inflation hurts us. We will need to attack Iran or watch our country meltdown. When we attack Iran, Russia and China will join in, covertly at first and then overtly as America races to finish the war before total economic collapse hits in. All that Russia and China need to do is help the war drag on to destroy America.

How do you think our enemies will react? Those that we have used and abused and who have kept quiet for so long.

[Symmetry]

What is the deal with Brits obsession of 17th and 18th century slavery?

It's like an inbred guilt trip. Get over it

Lets continue to support the Fed, lets continue to forego any semblance of moral authority by removing our constitutional rights one by one. Lets continue to be aggressors.

The more that Iran encourages oil sales in non US dollars, the more that our currency will be inflated. The less we produce the more that inflation hurts us. We will need to attack Iran or watch our country meltdown. When we attack Iran, Russia and China will join in, covertly at first and then overtly as America races to finish the war before total economic collapse hits in. All that Russia and China need to do is help the war drag on to destroy America.

How do you think our enemies will react? Those that we have used and abused and who have kept quiet for so long.

Perhaps the two of you should stop reading Ron Paul stuff.

[Phatscotty]

Lets continue to support the Fed, lets continue to forego any semblance of moral authority by removing our constitutional rights one by one. Lets continue to be aggressors.

The more that Iran encourages oil sales in non US dollars, the more that our currency will be inflated. The less we produce the more that inflation hurts us. We will need to attack Iran or watch our country meltdown. When we attack Iran, Russia and China will join in, covertly at first and then overtly as America races to finish the war before total economic collapse hits in. All that Russia and China need to do is help the war drag on to destroy America.

probably will happen, for the specific reason states. Refusing US dollars for their oil. The Fed doesn't like that...

One of the last things Saddam Hussein did

[CreepersWiener]

if a person wants to discriminate for what ever reason they should be able to do so. in effect wouldn't they only be hurting themselves from potential future profits? word of mouth spreads and if they are racist i feel most people would not do business with such an ass if they so choose. freedom to tell a person no can have very negative effects.

No dude, they can be hurting other people. Like with the whole thing with slavery.

I guess if your private business is at home, you could probably refuse serving minorities or whatever (although I think that is also breaking the law, someone that knows more about Civil Rights laws would have to respond here); but when you are a business owner on the public stage (these are businesses that tout to serve the public), you do not have the liberty to refuse service do to race, ethnicity, religion, age, sex, or sexual orientation.

If conservatives were ever allowed to stay in power (not Republicans...but ultraconservatives), slavery would never have been abolished nor would black people be allowed to sit in the same movie theater with white people.

Be conservative...but do it with a brain! If you are a Libertarian, face it, you would never had been for freeing slaves or ending racial segregation.

In addition, you would rather deny people their right to the pursuit of happiness by dictating who can and can not get married.

Sorry, but I believe Libertarianism is dead.

[thegreekdog]

And again we come back to the following question - are you trolling or are you a moron?

Actually he makes a good point if you are actually into rational thought and not into touchy-feely argument. The later look into the issue of secession and say "dude, man, that's like that slavery thing." The issue of secession in the Untied States is far greater than the one case of the Civil War. (The last attempt at actual secession took place in the second half of the 20th century by the way. But that was probably started out more as a joke by the fact that the United States has always been more than generous towards those nations it defeats.)

LIkewise, an actual discussion of the causes of the Civil War might be useful for those into rational thought, but is a pointless exercise for those who want to argue the touchy-feely arguments.

Yes, that's exactly it.

Secessionist: We'd be better off seceding.
Irrational Person: Secessionists are racist because the last time there was secession it was over slavery.
Non-Secessionist (not a moron or troll): Secession wouldn't work because states get tons of money from the federal government.

Referring to the Civli War or slavery or racism as an argument against secession in 2012 is pretty much an ad hominem.

[Symmetry]

And again we come back to the following question - are you trolling or are you a moron?

Actually he makes a good point if you are actually into rational thought and not into touchy-feely argument. The later look into the issue of secession and say "dude, man, that's like that slavery thing." The issue of secession in the Untied States is far greater than the one case of the Civil War. (The last attempt at actual secession took place in the second half of the 20th century by the way. But that was probably started out more as a joke by the fact that the United States has always been more than generous towards those nations it defeats.)

LIkewise, an actual discussion of the causes of the Civil War might be useful for those into rational thought, but is a pointless exercise for those who want to argue the touchy-feely arguments.

Yes, that's exactly it.

Secessionist: We'd be better off seceding.
Irrational Person: Secessionists are racist because the last time there was secession it was over slavery.
Non-Secessionist (not a moron or troll): Secession wouldn't work because states get tons of money from the federal government.

Why isn't there an option for a rational person in your list?

No, wait, I think I understand.

[Juan_Bottom]

I laughed

[thegreekdog]

And again we come back to the following question - are you trolling or are you a moron?

Actually he makes a good point if you are actually into rational thought and not into touchy-feely argument. The later look into the issue of secession and say "dude, man, that's like that slavery thing." The issue of secession in the Untied States is far greater than the one case of the Civil War. (The last attempt at actual secession took place in the second half of the 20th century by the way. But that was probably started out more as a joke by the fact that the United States has always been more than generous towards those nations it defeats.)

LIkewise, an actual discussion of the causes of the Civil War might be useful for those into rational thought, but is a pointless exercise for those who want to argue the touchy-feely arguments.

Yes, that's exactly it.

Secessionist: We'd be better off seceding.
Irrational Person: Secessionists are racist because the last time there was secession it was over slavery.
Non-Secessionist (not a moron or troll): Secession wouldn't work because states get tons of money from the federal government.

Why isn't there an option for a rational person in your list?

No, wait, I think I understand.

I was going to use "troll or moron" instead but I thought you'd get your underwear in a twist.

[Symmetry]

And again we come back to the following question - are you trolling or are you a moron?

Actually he makes a good point if you are actually into rational thought and not into touchy-feely argument. The later look into the issue of secession and say "dude, man, that's like that slavery thing." The issue of secession in the Untied States is far greater than the one case of the Civil War. (The last attempt at actual secession took place in the second half of the 20th century by the way. But that was probably started out more as a joke by the fact that the United States has always been more than generous towards those nations it defeats.)

LIkewise, an actual discussion of the causes of the Civil War might be useful for those into rational thought, but is a pointless exercise for those who want to argue the touchy-feely arguments.

Yes, that's exactly it.

Secessionist: We'd be better off seceding.
Irrational Person: Secessionists are racist because the last time there was secession it was over slavery.
Non-Secessionist (not a moron or troll): Secession wouldn't work because states get tons of money from the federal government.

Why isn't there an option for a rational person in your list?

No, wait, I think I understand.

I was going to use "troll or moron" instead but I thought you'd get your underwear in a twist.

That is one of the most rational things you've said in this thread. It's still weird, and irrational. Just less weird than your other stuff. And still irrational.

[warmonger1981]

Didnt mean to say that slavery is right. Owning a person defies all freedom but if a person wants to deny another that's there fault and hurting a persons feelings is a right. Freedom of speech. If we cant be free to make a person uncomfortable then I want all people arrested who don't agree with me since my feelings are hurt. Do we really want to go down the feelings hole.

[_sabotage_]

Didnt mean to say that slavery is right. Owning a person defies all freedom but if a person wants to deny another that's there fault and hurting a persons feelings is a right. Freedom of speech. If we cant be free to make a person uncomfortable then I want all people arrested who don't agree with me since my feelings are hurt. Do we really want to go down the feelings hole.

No. But i respect those that say yes.

[Symmetry]

Didnt mean to say that slavery is right.

Let's just leave it at that bizarre admission, warmonger. i agree Warmonger, you shouldn't have meant to say that slavery was right.

Thanks Warmonger, for the clarification.

[Phatscotty]

btw, you ran out of ammunition a long time ago.

You can keep pulling the trigger over and over again, but nothing will happen