Army of GOD wrote:This is an interesting idea.
I mean, I'm 5'6'' so I have no chance in college basketball, but I feel like I could do pretty damn well in women's rugby.
I think you meant to write 5.6"
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Army of GOD wrote:This is an interesting idea.
I mean, I'm 5'6'' so I have no chance in college basketball, but I feel like I could do pretty damn well in women's rugby.
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natty_dread wrote:Do ponies have sex?
(proud member of the Occasionally Wrongly Banned)Army of GOD wrote:the term heterosexual is offensive. I prefer to be called "normal"
john9blue wrote:does this person still have masculine hormones/muscle tone/body shape? if so, how is it fair to let them compete?
john9blue wrote:does this person still have masculine hormones/muscle tone/body shape? if so, how is it fair to let them compete?
Lootifer wrote:john9blue wrote:does this person still have masculine hormones/muscle tone/body shape? if so, how is it fair to let them compete?
If they have gone thru the operation and have female bits and pieces, they usually will have gone thru fairly extensive hormonal therepy. Therefore she probably lacks a lot of the masculine attributes you list. Though its hard to say without knowing/observing her.
However its likely she does have a slight unfair advantage (you cant get rid of all the testosterone etc), but is that really a big deal? I am sure she would not compete if it was (since she asked her team if they wanted her to quit).
rdsrds2120 wrote:john9blue wrote:does this person still have masculine hormones/muscle tone/body shape? if so, how is it fair to let them compete?
Is it unfair to have women who are naturally bulkier/stronger than other women to compete?
BMO
natty_dread wrote:Do ponies have sex?
(proud member of the Occasionally Wrongly Banned)Army of GOD wrote:the term heterosexual is offensive. I prefer to be called "normal"
stahrgazer wrote:The attributes that would be different is musculature; men naturally have more muscle, and about half the fat cells of women - as percentage of "average" body mass. A man is considered to have healthy body mass index when his bmi indicates 8-10% while a woman is healthy with as high as 25% fat.
natty_dread wrote:Do ponies have sex?
(proud member of the Occasionally Wrongly Banned)Army of GOD wrote:the term heterosexual is offensive. I prefer to be called "normal"
john9blue wrote:rdsrds2120 wrote:john9blue wrote:does this person still have masculine hormones/muscle tone/body shape? if so, how is it fair to let them compete?
Is it unfair to have women who are naturally bulkier/stronger than other women to compete?
BMO
no, because the differences between strong women is not even close to the differences between them and strong men.
stahrgazer wrote:Lootifer wrote:john9blue wrote:does this person still have masculine hormones/muscle tone/body shape? if so, how is it fair to let them compete?
If they have gone thru the operation and have female bits and pieces, they usually will have gone thru fairly extensive hormonal therepy. Therefore she probably lacks a lot of the masculine attributes you list. Though its hard to say without knowing/observing her.
However its likely she does have a slight unfair advantage (you cant get rid of all the testosterone etc), but is that really a big deal? I am sure she would not compete if it was (since she asked her team if they wanted her to quit).
If it was a woman who'd always been a woman playing in her 50s, she'd have more testosterone unbalanced by progesterone, etc (female hormones) unless she was on menopausal hormone supplement therapy, anyway.
The attributes that would be different is musculature; men naturally have more muscle, and about half the fat cells of women - as percentage of "average" body mass. A man is considered to have healthy body mass index when his bmi indicates 8-10% while a woman is healthy with as high as 25% fat.
One way to regulate to try to prevent an "unfair" amount of muscle against a lesser amount of muscle, would be to require weight restrictions, giving a range of weights within which each member of the team must fall to compete with a similar team, such as is done with boxing, wrestling, etc. Muscle weighs more than fat, volume for volume, so someone with more muscle in his/her bmi is going to weigh more for the same height/shape than someone with less muscle. This could work whether the person is a he/she, a she/he, on steroids, hormonal therapy, or just works out alot more than is expected of that competition.
Symmetry wrote:-Maximus- wrote:Is he doing good? Does he dominate while playing with women?
She
Gillipig wrote:Symmetry wrote:-Maximus- wrote:Is he doing good? Does he dominate while playing with women?
She
He was born a man so he is a man. He may call himself a she, but that does not make him one. A 60 year old won't be referred to as a 16 year old no matter how old he thinks he is, or how he dresses. What is a he and what is a she is not negotionable, it's not up for grabs, it's not some loose term that can be bent whichever way you want. Now I don't care about what he does, I really don't, I love almmost all imaginable freedoms, I think people should be able to dress and do whatever they want. But don't f*ck with science! He is no biological woman! End of story!
Lootifer wrote:Gillipig wrote:Symmetry wrote:-Maximus- wrote:Is he doing good? Does he dominate while playing with women?
She
He was born a man so he is a man. He may call himself a she, but that does not make him one. A 60 year old won't be referred to as a 16 year old no matter how old he thinks he is, or how he dresses. What is a he and what is a she is not negotionable, it's not up for grabs, it's not some loose term that can be bent whichever way you want. Now I don't care about what he does, I really don't, I love almmost all imaginable freedoms, I think people should be able to dress and do whatever they want. But don't f*ck with science! He is no biological woman! End of story!
Someone needs to get onto the second page where the gender-bread man is posted.
rdsrds2120 wrote:john9blue wrote:rdsrds2120 wrote:john9blue wrote:does this person still have masculine hormones/muscle tone/body shape? if so, how is it fair to let them compete?
Is it unfair to have women who are naturally bulkier/stronger than other women to compete?
BMO
no, because the differences between strong women is not even close to the differences between them and strong men.
What I mean is, if we found a woman who was stronger/bulkier than this individual, would it be unfair to have her play, or no?
BMO
natty_dread wrote:Do ponies have sex?
(proud member of the Occasionally Wrongly Banned)Army of GOD wrote:the term heterosexual is offensive. I prefer to be called "normal"
Lootifer wrote:8-10% haha, thats not quite true, especially if estimated by BMI (aka the worst indicator even invented) but lets not nitpick.
Lootifer wrote:Now funnily enough the differences in musculature are derived from hormone differences anyway; testosterone is very important in developing strong powerful muscles;
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