Let's try this again: if you agree evolution is not real...

by **jonesthecurl** on Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:26 pm

You can post in this thread. If not, don't.
Simple enough?

OK: let's assume that evolution is a myth or a hoax or a mistake.
The next question is:
How old is the earth, and what makes you think your answer is correct?

by **Funkyterrance** on Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:31 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:OK: let's assume that evolution is a myth or a hoax or a mistake.
The next question is:
How old is the earth, and what makes you think your answer is correct?

What's the assumption got to do with the question?

by **jonesthecurl** on Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:42 pm

Nothing for fucks sake now shut up!

by **premio53** on Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:05 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:You can post in this thread. If not, don't.
Simple enough?

OK: let's assume that evolution is a myth or a hoax or a mistake.
The next question is:
How old is the earth, and what makes you think your answer is correct?

Many geologists claim that radiometric “clocks” show rocks to be millions of years old. However, to read any clock accurately we must know where the clock was set at the beginning.

Also, we have to be sure that the clock has ticked at the same rate from the beginning until now. No geologists have been observing the radiometric clocks for millions of years to check that the rate of radioactive decay has always been the same as the rate today.

Coal and diamonds, which are found in or sandwiched between rock layers allegedly millions or billions of years old, have been shown to have carbon-14 ages of only tens of thousands of years. So which date is correct? The diamonds or coal cannot be millions of years old if they have any traces of carbon-14 still in them since carbon-14 has a half-life of 5,730 years.

“Shells from living snails were carbon dated as being 27,000 years old.” Science magazine, vol. 224, 1984

Scientists haven't a clue how old the earth is. It is all “theory” passed on by their professors.

by **jonesthecurl** on Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:09 pm

Ok, it looks like I'm going to have to hover, explaining the rules repeatedly.

premio. that's very intersting. Assuming that scientists have it wrong and we can't rely on their estimates, what do you believe to be the age of the earth, and what leads you to that belief?

by **Funkyterrance** on Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:11 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:Nothing for fucks sake now shut up!

Oi!

by **premio53** on Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:14 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:Ok, it looks like I'm going to have to hover, explaining the rules repeatedly.

premio. that's very intersting. Assuming that scientists have it wrong and we can't rely on their estimates, what do you believe to be the age of the earth, and what leads you to that belief?

Well considering the Bible has been proven to be supernatual through proclamation of fulfilled prophecies hundreds of years in advance, I would say starting at Solomon's temple around 1000 B.C. and tracing the generations back to Adam, the earth is probably not more than 10,000 years old. I can't prove that but neither can you.

by **jonesthecurl** on Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:45 pm

Thank you.
Now, would any other anti-evolutionists care to step up and confirm that/question it?

Viceroy, I believe you had an opinion that the world was somewhat older.

by **premio53** on Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:42 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:Thank you.
Now, would any other anti-evolutionists care to step up and confirm that/question it?

Viceroy, I believe you had an opinion that the world was somewhat older.

Even your high priest Stephen Hawking realizes the universe had to have a beginning in time. I quote him:

"All evidence seems to indicate that the universe has not existed forever...Rather, the universe, and time itself, had a beginning in the Big Bang." He explains, "In fact, the theory that the universe has existed forever is in serious difficulty with the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The Second Law states that disorder always increases with time. Like the argument about human progress, it indicates that there must have been a beginning. Otherwise, the universe would be in a state of complete disorder by now, and everything would be at the same temperature" (Public Lecture, "The Beginning of Time")

Science has no answers; only theories based on the faith that there is no personal Creator to which they will one day answer to.

by **JJM** on Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:45 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:Nothing for fucks sake now shut up!

Classic Jones. All jokeing aside I actually started laughing hysterically when I read this.

by **JJM** on Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:56 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:OK: let's assume that evolution is a myth or a hoax or a mistake.
The next question is:
How old is the earth, and what makes you think your answer is correct?

What's the assumption got to do with the question?

jonesthecurl wrote:Nothing for fucks sake now shut up!

Sorry to mention this again but this is just down right hilarious. The way these forums works someone whom the topic does not apply to has to but in and Jones is trying so hard to make them not.

by **chang50** on Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:58 pm

Science has no answers; only theories based on the faith that there is no personal Creator to which they will one day answer to.[/quote]

And this monster loves us so much that it feels the need to threaten us with an infinite punishment for a finite crime?I am a parent and would never be so callous,this personal creator posited by you disgusts me utterly

Sorry Jonesy..

by **jonesthecurl** on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:03 am

chang50 wrote:
Science has no answers; only theories based on the faith that there is no personal Creator to which they will one day answer to.

And this monster loves us so much that it feels the need to threaten us with an infinite punishment for a finite crime?I am a parent and would never be so callous,this personal creator posited by you disgusts me utterly

Sorry Jonesy..

Grrrr... do I have to explain the rules again? Sod off out of it. Go and say this in one of the multitudinous other evolution threads.

[continues to do "bear with sore head" impression]

by **premio53** on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:07 am

chang50 wrote:Science has no answers; only theories based on the faith that there is no personal Creator to which they will one day answer to.

And this monster loves us so much that it feels the need to threaten us with an infinite punishment for a finite crime?I am a parent and would never be so callous,this personal creator posited by you disgusts me utterly

Sorry Jonesy..[/quote]
My friend, I can only say that the reason for all the death and destruction we see in the world is because of what the Bible calls sin. What you call "punishment" is nothing more than justice meted out to a sinful race of people. Those who say, "My god would never create hell" are right because he couldn't. He is a figment of their imagination which they have created to suit themselves. It is called idolatry. The Bible says that Jesus suffered and died on the cross and took our punishment for us. You will reject divine revelation at your own peril.

by **Viceroy63** on Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:29 am

jonesthecurl wrote:Thank you.
Now, would any other anti-evolutionists care to step up and confirm that/question it?

Viceroy, I believe you had an opinion that the world was somewhat older.

Yes I do have an opinion but it is based on a theory as the age of the earth can not really be determine through flawed science. The dating method as Premio has stated is based on a lot of assumptions and so inaccurate. Some questions need directly revealed knowledge which is simply not necessary to human "Growth" at this time.

While I believe the Bible to be true, the Bible also only shows that the earth is ancient in creation. But whether that be Millions or Billions or even thousands is all open to conjecture at this time.

There are however certain things that the Bible does reveal as Clues.

One thing that the Bible does reveal is that all the Sons (angels) of God were present at the creation of the earth (Job 38:7). This would also indicate that the earth was a special creation. Apart from the rest of the universe.

Another thing is that there was a war in heaven (Revelation 12:7) and that the fallen angels were cast to the earth (Revelation 12:9). This means that the earth was created at a time when all of the angels were one with God.

The war in Heaven must have wreck havoc with creation. Uranus for example is a planet that Literally got knocked on it's side. Uranus does not have a north and south pole, it has an east and west pole. Venus is a planet that rotates in the opposite direction from west to East and the Asteroid belt between Mars and the gas giants would tend to indicate that there use to be a planet where now there is only a ring of Rocks orbiting our sun.

Evidence that the moon is gradually moving away from the earth means that at one time the moon was much closer to the earth. This would also tend to indicate that the moon and earth could not have been created in the billions of years ago but was in fact a special creation of God after the creation of the Universe and our solar system. Craters on the moon would indicate a violent past history of bombardments as well. Then there is the possibility of a two moon system colliding with each other or rather a new moon that was drawn into orbit only to crash on our moon. So many little things to explain.

So the question would be, how long would it have taken all of this to happen. If what we see around us is an indication of a war in the heavens then when was it fought. In my opinion an asteroid belt would have dissipated by now if it were billions of years so I believe we are talking Millions of years from a war in the heavens. But when was the earth originally created and how long from the creation of the earth to the war in heaven is another question all together.

But I am of the opinion that we are at least talking Millions of years ago, although the earth was finally recreated 6,000 years ago after it became a dead water world buried in a dark cloud of interstellar dust for only God knows how long. This alone would make life evolving on this planet impossible. Way too much destruction and darkness even if it were true that Species can evolve from other species.

"Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth."
-Psalm 104:30