A just and loving creator?..

[chang50]

Bump from another thread...why do some Christians think it is acceptable to threaten non-Christians with their alleged deity's judgement after death.Sounds more like the Mob than a loving parent..'hey kid we're gonna make you an offer you can't refuse".

[premio53]

A woman's car broke down late one moonless night in an unfamiliar area. She was afraid, so she wound the vehicle's windows up tight, locked the doors, and turned on the car radio to keep her company. She decided that it would be wise to wait until the morning light before going for help.

A short time later a frantic man appeared at her window and began to yell at her. Frightened, she gestured for him to go away. He left and then reutrned seconds later with a rock in his hand, smashed the window of her car and pulled her out, much to the woman's horrified protests.

As they fell to the ground a massive train slammed into her car, causing it to burst into flames.

You may consider Christians to be raving lunatics, but all we are frantically trying to do is warn you that you are in terrible danger. The train of God's moral Law is merciless. Your ignorance of the imminent peril doesn't make it disappear. Please, soften your heart and listen to us before it is too late. (taken from "The Evidence Bible")

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I have big expectations from this therrad.

-TG

[Symmetry]

A woman's car broke down late one moonless night in an unfamiliar area. She was afraid, so she wound the vehicle's windows up tight, locked the doors, and turned on the car radio to keep her company. She decided that it would be wise to wait until the morning light before going for help.

A short time later a frantic man appeared at her window and began to yell at her. Frightened, she gestured for him to go away. He left and then reutrned seconds later with a rock in his hand, smashed the window of her car and pulled her out, much to the woman's horrified protests.

As they fell to the ground a massive train slammed into her car, causing it to burst into flames.

You may consider Christians to be raving lunatics, but all we are frantically trying to do is warn you that you are in terrible danger. The train of God's moral Law is merciless. Your ignorance of the imminent peril doesn't make it disappear. Please, soften your heart and listen to us before it is too late. (taken from "The Evidence Bible")

Wasn't that roughly the plot of Thriller?



I have musical evidence,

[nietzsche]

Come on premio.

The message of the prophet Jesus is misinterpreted. Most likely the guy was enlightened and what he tried to share was wise advice and how to live in this earth.

Enlightened people don't suffer, they have reached a very wise state, and they try to share it, however they cannot push people to listen and follow them. And they have to communicate what they know with the methaphores that they have at hand. The subjective knowledge they achieved is difficult to share with words.

THe rest was added to the Bible once they figured they needed a whole story to tell to the people. Perhaps some had good intentions with it, others had the idea of controlling others. This is well known, the first thing that comes to mind is Constantine the Great as the first but I'm not expert in the field.

I have a deep respect for believers, people with good heart, there's no need to go telling them to change their views, but when that frantic man tries to push his beliefs in others, he's going to hear about everything.

[2dimes]

I have a deep respect for believers, people with good heart, there's no need to go telling them to change their views, but when that frantic man tries to push his beliefs in others, he's going to hear about everything.

I'd like to hear about everything.

[jonesthecurl]

And chang, prenio - thank nyou both for bringing this to another thread. I really want to follow what you're saying (both of you) but it didn't belong IN MY DARN THREAD!!!! So, uh, thanks guys.

[Army of GOD]

A woman's car broke down late one moonless night in an unfamiliar area. She was afraid, so she wound the vehicle's windows up tight, locked the doors, and turned on the car radio to keep her company. She decided that it would be wise to wait until the morning light before going for help.

A short time later a frantic man appeared at her window and began to yell at her. Frightened, she gestured for him to go away. He left and then reutrned seconds later with a rock in his hand, smashed the window of her car and pulled her out, much to the woman's horrified protests.

As they fell to the ground a massive train passed a few miles away. The man then went on to rape the women and leave her body to rot in the wilderness.

You may consider Christians to be raving lunatics, but all we are frantically trying to do is rape you. The train of God's moral Law is probably non-existent. Your ignorance of my penis doesn't make it disappear. Please, soften your anus and listen to us before it is too late. (taken from "f*ck the Police" by NWA)

[chang50]

A woman's car broke down late one moonless night in an unfamiliar area. She was afraid, so she wound the vehicle's windows up tight, locked the doors, and turned on the car radio to keep her company. She decided that it would be wise to wait until the morning light before going for help.

A short time later a frantic man appeared at her window and began to yell at her. Frightened, she gestured for him to go away. He left and then reutrned seconds later with a rock in his hand, smashed the window of her car and pulled her out, much to the woman's horrified protests.

As they fell to the ground a massive train slammed into her car, causing it to burst into flames.

You may consider Christians to be raving lunatics, but all we are frantically trying to do is warn you that you are in terrible danger. The train of God's moral Law is merciless. Your ignorance of the imminent peril doesn't make it disappear. Please, soften your heart and listen to us before it is too late. (taken from "The Evidence Bible")

Has it even occurred to you that even if everything you say is correct,and your particular god,among the many believed in,exists,some people,including myself,would prefer whatever judgement we are given,to eternal submission to an entity so obviously unworthy of it?An omniscient deity worthy of respect could not punish anyone for honestly and sincerely following the dictates of their conscience,and would surely know if anyone pretended to accept him in order to escape judgement.I'm now 75- 80% of the way through an average lifespan,and unlikely to drastically alter opinions formed over many years,so I'll take my chances,and continue to live what I think of as a good life,and as Hitchens put it 'get out of the way',without delusions of immortality.

[crispybits]

A woman's car broke down late one moonless night in an unfamiliar area. She was afraid, so she wound the vehicle's windows up tight, locked the doors, and turned on the car radio to keep her company. She decided that it would be wise to wait until the morning light before going for help.

A short time later a frantic man appeared at her window and began to yell at her. Frightened, she gestured for him to go away. He left and then reutrned seconds later with a rock in his hand, smashed the window of her car and pulled her out, much to the woman's horrified protests.

As they fell to the ground a massive train slammed into her car, causing it to burst into flames.

You may consider Christians to be raving lunatics, but all we are frantically trying to do is warn you that you are in terrible danger. The train of God's moral Law is merciless. Your ignorance of the imminent peril doesn't make it disappear. Please, soften your heart and listen to us before it is too late. (taken from "The Evidence Bible")

All well and good, until you have to accept that God made her car break down on the train tracks, and wrote the timetable in such a way that a train was due to come along and kill her.

[mr. CD]

A woman's car broke down late one moonless night in an unfamiliar area. She was afraid, so she wound the vehicle's windows up tight, locked the doors, and turned on the car radio to keep her company. She decided that it would be wise to wait until the morning light before going for help.

A short time later a frantic man appeared at her window and began to yell at her. Frightened, she gestured for him to go away. He left and then reutrned seconds later with a rock in his hand, smashed the window of her car and pulled her out, much to the woman's horrified protests.

As they fell to the ground a massive train slammed into her car, causing it to burst into flames.

You may consider Christians to be raving lunatics, but all we are frantically trying to do is warn you that you are in terrible danger. The train of God's moral Law is merciless. Your ignorance of the imminent peril doesn't make it disappear. Please, soften your heart and listen to us before it is too late. (taken from "The Evidence Bible")

All well and good, until you have to accept that God made her car break down on the train tracks, and wrote the timetable in such a way that a train was due to come along and kill her.

If you're using full predestination, which is not a given within christianity, then you'd have to say that God made her car break down on the train tracs, and wrote the timetable in such a way that a train was due to come along and hit her car, just after she was rescued by a man. Afterwards she may have appreciated life a lot more, may have married that man or may have been emotionally scared for life. All of which will have influenced an unlimited amount of other things. It's not reasonable to say that you know that if one thing didn't happen, everything would be better. Although, I have to say, I very often do say that.

Also, I know very few christians who would argue that they can judge wether someone goes to heaven or not. And if any christian does, he does not understand God or the bible. (Although this too is subjective of course, I'm very sure about it)

[warmonger1981]

Just wondering why Christianity is so hated or talked about so much on this thread?
Why not ask Muslims the same questions? Or Buddhists or another religion?

[chang50]

Just wondering why Christianity is so hated or talked about so much on this thread?
Why not ask Muslims the same questions? Or Buddhists or another religion?

Christianity is the domminant religion in the countries of most posters on cc.Perhaps someone with experience of living in an Islamic country could talk about Islam and ask a similiar question about Allah.I have some experience of living in a Therevada Buddhist country and it would be pointless to ask a question about a creator when the adherents are atheistic and do not believe in one.

[Army of GOD]

Buddhism and Christianity aren't remotely close to the same thing.

[chang50]

Buddhism and Christianity aren't remotely close to the same thing.

To the extent it has been argued that Buddhism is more a philosophy than a religion.

[BigBallinStalin]

A woman's car broke down late one moonless night in an unfamiliar area. She was afraid, so she wound the vehicle's windows up tight, locked the doors, and turned on the car radio to keep her company. She decided that it would be wise to wait until the morning light before going for help.

A short time later a frantic man appeared at her window and began to yell at her. Frightened, she gestured for him to go away. He left and then reutrned seconds later with a rock in his hand, smashed the window of her car and pulled her out, much to the woman's horrified protests.

As they fell to the ground he told her of a massive train that would hit her somehow immediately when she died--wherever she will be. As evidence, he cited this book which offered nothing technical about trains and had no schedule, but it went exactly like this:




You may consider Christians to be raving lunatics, but all we are frantically trying to do is warn you that you are in perceived danger. God's moral Law either exists independently of him or depends upon his command, thus is arbitrary. Your ignorance of the imminent peril doesn't make it disappear if you subscribe to circular reasoning and if you reject contradictory and equally unfalsifiable claims by other religions. Please, soften your anus and listen to us before it is too late. (taken from "")[/quote]