Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

[qwertylpc]

Just stumbled on this, but abortions are regulated to the first trimester. At this point, there is no feeling, or thinking, basically, it is a bundle of cells. Is scratching yourself murder, no. Neither is abortion.

First of all the notion that abortions are regulated to the first trimester is a total myth. Source for stats/Pregnancy calender

In 2009, 7% of all abortions were performed at 14-20 weeks' gestation; 1.3% were performed at ≥21 weeks' gestation (CDC).

For first Trimester:

2.8% at 13 Weeks ... "Tiny bones are beginning to form in her arms and legs, the intestines are beginning to move from the umbilical cord to the abdomen, and the vocal cords are well under construction (the first step toward saying, "I love you, Mommy!"). And because she can move her arms and legs in a jerky fashion, she may be able to get her thumb into her mouth."

3.9% at 12 Weeks ... "Most of his systems are in place, though there's still plenty of maturing to do. For one thing, his fetal digestive system is beginning to practice contraction movements necessary for eating, and his bone marrow is busy making white blood cells — weapons against germs once he's out of your safe haven."

5.1% at 11 Weeks ... "She has distinct human characteristics by now, with hands and feet in front of her body, with ears nearly in their final shape, open nasal passages on the tip of her tiny nose, a tongue and palate in the mouth, and visible nipples. What else makes her look human? Those hands and feet have individual fingers and toes."

6.6% at 10 Weeks ... "Your baby (now the size of a prune) has small indentations on his legs (soon to be knees and ankles!), and his tiny arms even have elbows that bend (how is that for magical?). Inside that little mouth, tiny buds of baby teeth are forming under the gums. His stomach and kidneys are kicking into gear, producing digestive juices and urine, and if it's a boy, his testes are making testosterone (how manly!)."

I can go on but as you can see a significant number of abortions do not take place against a "blob of cells." This is the most disgusting description of a human being I have ever seen (next to the old Star Trek description of "bags of mostly water").

This data is wrong

Go to the CDC and read what it says

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6015a1.htm

"In 2008, most (62.8%) abortions were performed at ≤8 weeks' gestation, and 91.4% were performed at ≤13 weeks' gestation. Few abortions (7.3%) were performed at 14--20 weeks' gestation, and even fewer (1.3%) were performed at ≥21 weeks' gestation."

So 91.4% clearly doesn't mean most?

[BigBallinStalin]

Just want to jump in for a second - government-provided assistance is different than just assistance. I never understood why people believe the broad brush stroke argument in which conservative are protrayed: "Conservatives don't want to take care of your children." It should be "Conservatives don't want the government to take care of your children."

Unfortunately in some communities, the government is needed to supplement care from the community, so to use some TGD's words, you could "arguably" say the broad brush stroke has some merits.


--Andy

I didn't know "supplement" was defined as "taking complete control over something."

Oh, you should attend to the bureaucrats' board meetings. They never call them "taxes." Instead, they are called "fees."

[BigBallinStalin]

In what way has the government taken control, by providing a standard currency, or paying for an army?

Neither.

Actually, it has taken control over the currency. Legal tender laws require us to accept US dollars. We can't require people to pay in gold, silver, Bank X's cash money, etc. The government does this to keep its currency useful enough. If it were not required, people would seek currencies which are not inflated by the government's central bank.

[thegreekdog]

In what way has the government taken control, by providing a standard currency, or paying for an army?

Neither.

Actually, it has taken control over the currency. Legal tender laws require us to accept US dollars. We can't require people to pay in gold, silver, Bank X's cash money, etc. The government does this to keep its currency useful enough. If it were not required, people would seek currencies which are not inflated by the government's central bank.

I think one or both of us are confused by new guy's use of commas. I took this to mean "how is the government taking control of welfare of children by providing a standard currency or paying for an army."

[tzor]

Note since we don't have a SPOILER tag here and since it would spam the thread to repeat the data ad nauseum, you will have to go back up and look at what I and qwertylpc have stated.

This data is wrong

Other than the fact that my source cited 2009 data and your cited 2008 data, what is so "wrong" about the data?

So 91.4% clearly doesn't mean most?

What the you know what? The original post NEVER SAID "most" it said first trimester and blob of cells. My post pointed out that for a significant period in that "first trimester" the fetus is not a "blob" of cells but a organism with fingers, arms, and internal organs. In fact one could argue that Week 5 is no longer a blob of cells.

"Your baby now resembles a teeny tadpole (complete with a tiny tail) and is about the size of an orange seed. The circulatory (or blood) system, along with the heart, is the first part of that tiny body to be functional; and as your baby's heart starts to form, you may even be able to see it beating on an early ultrasound. Another part of your little tadpole that is under construction: the neural tube, which will eventually become your baby's brain and spinal cord."

%32.3 is the percentage based on 2009 numbers for <= 6 weeks, so no, it is not true that "most" abortions are performed on a blob of cells.