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One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:24 am

Namely a pill which can sober you up in minutes.

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/511261/nanocapsules-sober-up-drunken-mice/

Researchers have reduced blood alcohol levels in intoxicated mice by injecting them with nanocapsules containing enzymes that are instrumental in alcohol metabolism. The treatment demonstrates a novel drug delivery technology that could have broad medical applications.

Enzymes are proteins that catalyze a wide range of biological processes in the body, making them attractive candidates as therapeutics. Many important biological functions require precisely arranged groups of different enzymes working in concert, often inside a cellular subcomponent called an organelle. Though researchers have tried for years to develop such complexes in the lab, it has proved extremely difficult to maintain stable proteins and precisely control their size and arrangement.

The new research, which was described today in Nature Nanotechnology, involves packaging multiple enzymes inside a nanoscale shell. The resulting functional enzyme complex, made of a nontoxic polymer, ā€œalmost mimics an organelle,ā€ says Yunfeng Lu, a professor of chemical and biomolecular engineering at UCLA, who lead the research with Cheng Ji, a professor of biochemical and molecular biology at the University of Southern California. The capsule stabilizes the proteins and protects them against degrading in the body.

To demonstrate the efficacy of the delivery method, the researchers injected the mice with capsules containing two enzymes. One of them, oxidase, produces hydrogen peroxide, so it has to work in concert with another enzyme that decomposes this potentially harmful by-product. The researchers report that the mice receiving the enzyme treatment saw their blood alcohol content fall quickly and significantly compared with controls.

The advance could open the door to a new class of enzyme drugs, says Lu. Down the road, for example, he envisions an alcohol prophylactic or antidote that could be taken orally. Since alcohol metabolism naturally occurs in the liver, it would ā€œalmost be like having millions of liver cell units inside your stomach or in your intestine, helping you to digest alcohol,ā€ he says.

The group is also developing other drugs based on the encapsulation method. For example, it is working with the pharmaceutical company Kythera on a hair-loss prevention drug that would rely on nanocapsules to deliver—through the skin—an enzyme that breaks down dihydrotestosterone (commonly called DHT), which causes male pattern baldness.
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Postby Symmetry on Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:00 am

Yay science!

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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby MeDeFe on Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:15 am

Haggis_McMutton wrote:a pill which can sober you up in minutes

But... what for?

Ok, other than saving the life of someone stupid fuck who's got 0.5% BAC or more.
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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby crispybits on Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:22 am

So that you can start drinking again? :wink:
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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:04 pm

One of them, oxidase, produces hydrogen peroxide


wat


If they can get most of the kinks out, then this drug would prevent many alcohol-related homicides on the road. Give the FDA 10 years to delay those benefits, and we'll be closer to The Great Awakening.
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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby 2dimes on Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:10 pm

MeDeFe wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:a pill injection which can sober you up in minutes

But... what for?

Ok, other than saving the life of someone stupid fuck who's got 0.5% BAC or more.

So I can make my shift at Burger Queen after an evening of trying to forget...
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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:43 pm

To anyone who actually know shit about biology:

Would this also eliminate hangovers? Would it depend on how long you spent in the drunk state before taking the drug?
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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:47 pm

Haggis_McMutton wrote:To anyone who actually know shit about biology:

Would this also eliminate hangovers? Would it depend on how long you spent in the drunk state before taking the drug?


It depends when you take it. The hangovers are caused by dehydration and by peeing out vitamins and minerals. If you take this before you break the seal then voila! no hangover.
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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:14 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
One of them, oxidase, produces hydrogen peroxide


wat


Oxidases are used naturally by aerobic organisms anyway. Basically, they are enzymes that catalyze reduction reactions that take harmful oxygen that are final electron acceptors and reduce it to H20 or H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide). They allow organisms to use oxygen.

The group is also developing other drugs based on the encapsulation method. For example, it is working with the pharmaceutical company Kythera on a hair-loss prevention drug that would rely on nanocapsules to deliver—through the skin—an enzyme that breaks down dihydrotestosterone (commonly called DHT), which causes male pattern baldness.


If they could cure baldness, I think my old man would pretty happy.

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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby Just_essence on Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:09 pm

Somehow, I think this will encourage drinking.
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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby notyou2 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:36 pm

Haggis_McMutton wrote:To anyone who actually know shit about biology:

Would this also eliminate hangovers? Would it depend on how long you spent in the drunk state before taking the drug?


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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby Neoteny on Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:42 pm

My understanding of hangovers is similar to DY's. Receiving the treatment would probably not have a noticeable effect on hangovers. Taking it early on might make it really hard to get drunk, which might have some uses, secret squirrel like, but I don't know what average drinkers might want that for.

I haven't read much of the article yet, but I'm curious about possible alcoholism treatments associated with this. I wonder if it could help personality and physiology issues to help with withdrawal symptoms on some sort of slow reduction program. On the flip side, it might make alcoholism worse.
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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby notyou2 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:09 pm

I wonder if the pill has liver effects too......DOUBLE WHAMMY
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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby rdsrds2120 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:21 pm

notyou2 wrote:I wonder if the pill has liver effects too......DOUBLE WHAMMY


Double the scarring of cirrhosis with half the fun!

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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:18 pm

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
One of them, oxidase, produces hydrogen peroxide


wat


Oxidases are used naturally by aerobic organisms anyway. Basically, they are enzymes that catalyze reduction reactions that take harmful oxygen that are final electron acceptors and reduce it to H20 or H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide). They allow organisms to use oxygen.

-TG


How does the H202 not harm the aerobic organisms? Isn't producing that counterproductive?
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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby Neoteny on Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:28 pm

Maybe read the rest of the sentence?
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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:33 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:
notyou2 wrote:I wonder if the pill has liver effects too......DOUBLE WHAMMY


Double the scarring of cirrhosis with half the fun!

BMO


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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby ender516 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:35 pm

Well, this could be useful for reducing impaired driving. It might also be useful for treating alcohol poisoning (brought on by binge drinking).
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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby john9blue on Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:56 pm

inb4 the pill makes more people get too drunk to remember to take the pill
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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:37 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
One of them, oxidase, produces hydrogen peroxide


wat


Oxidases are used naturally by aerobic organisms anyway. Basically, they are enzymes that catalyze reduction reactions that take harmful oxygen that are final electron acceptors and reduce it to H20 or H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide). They allow organisms to use oxygen.

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How does the H202 not harm the aerobic organisms? Isn't producing that counterproductive?


It's in small amounts, then picked up and flushed out of your system. Or recycled or something, I don't quite remember. But H2O2 isn't as harmful as any of the oxygen radicals. It's only really harmful when there are large amounts around damaged tissue (where structural integrity is compromised or weakening of cell walls means they can't protect themselves from H2O2). Without oxidase we would be anaerobic like certain bacteria and such. Has to do with the whole electron transport chain (part of cellular respiration if you can remember back to your high school biology) and oxygen being the final electron acceptor. Oxygen by itself is pretty nasty to cells.

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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:01 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
One of them, oxidase, produces hydrogen peroxide


wat


Oxidases are used naturally by aerobic organisms anyway. Basically, they are enzymes that catalyze reduction reactions that take harmful oxygen that are final electron acceptors and reduce it to H20 or H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide). They allow organisms to use oxygen.

-TG


How does the H202 not harm the aerobic organisms? Isn't producing that counterproductive?


It's in small amounts, then picked up and flushed out of your system. Or recycled or something, I don't quite remember. But H2O2 isn't as harmful as any of the oxygen radicals. It's only really harmful when there are large amounts around damaged tissue (where structural integrity is compromised or weakening of cell walls means they can't protect themselves from H2O2). Without oxidase we would be anaerobic like certain bacteria and such. Has to do with the whole electron transport chain (part of cellular respiration if you can remember back to your high school biology) and oxygen being the final electron acceptor. Oxygen by itself is pretty nasty to cells.

-TG


Interesting... which reminds me.

Does the "secret to longevity" involve cellular regeneration and/or the elimination/reduction of free-floating radicals?

If those are the primary ares, then which matters most?
And what can humans currently do in order to mitigate the damage from radicals or increase regeneration?

Can the goal be accomplished by increasing the production of one's stem cells (if at all possible)?
(Would we have to suck the "life force" from baby fetuses--or feti, if you prefer?)
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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby Symmetry on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:04 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
One of them, oxidase, produces hydrogen peroxide


wat


Oxidases are used naturally by aerobic organisms anyway. Basically, they are enzymes that catalyze reduction reactions that take harmful oxygen that are final electron acceptors and reduce it to H20 or H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide). They allow organisms to use oxygen.

-TG


How does the H202 not harm the aerobic organisms? Isn't producing that counterproductive?


It's in small amounts, then picked up and flushed out of your system. Or recycled or something, I don't quite remember. But H2O2 isn't as harmful as any of the oxygen radicals. It's only really harmful when there are large amounts around damaged tissue (where structural integrity is compromised or weakening of cell walls means they can't protect themselves from H2O2). Without oxidase we would be anaerobic like certain bacteria and such. Has to do with the whole electron transport chain (part of cellular respiration if you can remember back to your high school biology) and oxygen being the final electron acceptor. Oxygen by itself is pretty nasty to cells.

-TG


Interesting... which reminds me.

Does the "secret to longevity" involve cellular regeneration and/or the elimination/reduction of free-floating radicals?

If those are the primary ares, then which matters most?
And what can humans currently do in order to mitigate the damage from radicals or increase regeneration?

Can the goal be accomplished by increasing the production of one's stem cells (if at all possible)?
(Would we have to suck the "life force" from baby fetuses--or feti, if you prefer?)


Stem cells are biological cells found in all multicellular organisms, that can divide (through mitosis) and differentiate into diverse specialized cell types and can self-renew to produce more stem cells. In mammals, there are two broad types of stem cells: embryonic stem cells, which are isolated from the inner cell mass of blastocysts, and adult stem cells, which are found in various tissues. In adult organisms, stem cells and progenitor cells act as a repair system for the body, replenishing adult tissues. In a developing embryo, stem cells can differentiate into all the specialized cells (these are called pluripotent cells), but also maintain the normal turnover of regenerative organs, such as blood, skin, or intestinal tissues.
There are three accessible sources of autologous adult stem cells in humans:
Bone marrow, which requires extraction by harvesting, that is, drilling into bone (typically the femur or iliac crest),
Adipose tissue (lipid cells), which requires extraction by liposuction, and
Blood, which requires extraction through pheresis, wherein blood is drawn from the donor (similar to a blood donation), passed through a machine that extracts the stem cells and returns other portions of the blood to the donor.
Stem cells can also be taken from umbilical cord blood just after birth. Of all stem cell types, autologous harvesting involves the least risk. By definition, autologous cells are obtained from one's own body, just as one may bank his or her own blood for elective surgical procedures.
Highly plastic adult stem cells are routinely used in medical therapies, for example in bone marrow transplantation. Stem cells can now be artificially grown and transformed (differentiated) into specialized cell types with characteristics consistent with cells of various tissues such as muscles or nerves through cell culture. Embryonic cell lines and autologous embryonic stem cells generated through therapeutic cloning have also been proposed as promising candidates for future therapies.[1] Research into stem cells grew out of findings by Ernest A. McCulloch and James E. Till at the University of Toronto in the 1960s.[2][3]Israel is one of the world leaders in stem cell research, with the largest number of articles, patents and research studies per capita.[4]
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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:09 am

Thanks, Sym, but I'm talking about increasing production--internally. They inject stem cells into race horses, but there's no one (to my knowledge) conducting the proper research, so no one really knows if injecting stem cells in race horses is effective.

For a general overview, it's good to ask someone knowledgeable, like TG. He can point me in the right direction---which wiki often fails at.
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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:11 am

BBS wrote:Interesting... which reminds me.

Does the "secret to longevity" involve cellular regeneration and/or the elimination/reduction of free-floating radicals?

If those are the primary ares, then which matters most?
And what can humans currently do in order to mitigate the damage from radicals or increase regeneration?

Can the goal be accomplished by increasing the production of one's stem cells (if at all possible)?
(Would we have to suck the "life force" from baby fetuses--or feti, if you prefer?)


I'm sure it's probably more than just free radicals. Radicals are responsible for damage to cellular structures but they don't really affect regeneration. Yeah, I would say that cellular regeneration, natural (own stem cells being limitless) or mechanical (say, nanotech which repairs your tissues) would be key to "secret to longevity." Aubrey de Grey style. I'm not really sure what the most effective way to bring about the former would be. In my opinion, something like nanotech would be much more efficient and reliable than an internal supply of stem cells that never end.

I'm fairly certain the leading cause of aging or senescense in modern opinion has to do with the Hayflick Limit. Your adult, non-stem or basal cells can only divide so many times.

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Re: One step closer to a great scientific breakthrough

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:14 am

BBS wrote:but there's no one (to my knowledge) conducting the proper research,


Aubrey de Grey has a whole institute dedicated to gerontological research.

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