Woodruff wrote:patches70 wrote:Some say money is the root of evil when it turns out that it's lack of money that is the root of evil! All these people forced to commit crimes is because they are poverty stricken. If they only had money then crime would go away.
I find that deliciously ironic.
If indeed crime rates are primarily caused by poverty, poor education, family breakdowns and all the other things cited as why there is crime, how is taking away guns change any of that? Seems like focusing on the weapons doesn't do a thing to address the root causes at all.
Since I'm not in favor of taking away guns, I can't answer that question adequately. I really haven't seen TOO many people in this fora who have advocated for it either. JB, perhaps?
Not just taking away guns, but even further restricting them since the current laws aren't being or are unable to be enforced. Why keep adding more laws? Since it seems everyone acknowledges that it's other factors that primarily cause crime, not guns. By advocating taking away or further restricting guns when that's not even the root cause for the crimes doesn't make any sense.
Why not work on the other problems first? If the answer is that we are, then why don't we actually do things that actually work to address those other problems before we keep adding to the wish list of liberal sycophants?
Poverty is a primary cause of crime? Then we take more and more from those who have money and give it to people who don't. We increase entitlements, add more social programs until there are hundreds of redundant programs and it doesn't fix the crime.
We ban assault weapons, automatic weapons, large magazines, and it doesn't fix the crime problem.
We cite the teenage pregnancy problem, unwed mothers and yet snide and ignore abstinence endeavors and preach contraception but it doesn't work.
We cite racism and pass legislation such as affirmative action and yet racism is claimed to be as bad as ever.
Haven't people figured out that the politicians need these problems to keep going on and on so they can have a platform of "issues" so that we think we have to have the politicians elected to "solve" the problems that they can't solve even if they really wanted to?
Is it possible that there is another underlying cause that we largely ignore? Or if that fundamental flaw is pointed out as the root cause of the rest that it is just summarily dismissed?
You see, besides the point that there is never a such thing as "solutions" but rather there are only trade offs, there is the one true crime that is the entire basis of our society. It's the monopoly on the creation of money by a tiny group of select individuals who systematically steals the value of our labors day after day year after year.
To keep the system going endless distractions are endorsed that crush the moral fiber of the population. While other forms of relief which are no better or worse than those endorsed, are crushed and suppressed.
It's that very same system which cause the export of actual jobs where we actually produced things. Since a consequence of running the world reserve currency is that this currency must flow
out of the nation more than it flows into. This turns us into a service industry and a financial industry based economy. The majority of people won't have the aptitude (let alone the opportunity) to get into the financial industry are instead forced into the service industry which just keeps getting crushed economically since it's so vulnerable to market cycles. In lean times the service side is beat down, but excels during the boom times. Meanwhile the financial side grows like a behemoth during the boom times and sucks the life out of everything during the lean times.
And we are in a period of extended lean times, are we not? Why?
Want to lower crime? Increase liberty, have a robust economy and plenty of opportunity. Not everyone will get the same results, but everyone will have a better chance of finding what particular niche they will fit into best under these conditions.
As it stands now, the US is just a one or two act pony. We don't do anything else. We are good at telling everyone else in the world what to do and financing (read: Bribing) the world into doing and if that doesn't work we just destroy them. People can't find that niche to fit into because that niche has been removed all together.
The Boston bombing engrossed the nation but few know that on the very day of the bombing which left 3 or 4 dead and 170+ wounded, in Iraq on the very same day there were 40 bombings, 100+ people killed and 100's wounded. And we don't bat an eye at that, do we? Yet we were instrumental in being a part of that, weren't we?
And all the roots lead right back to the debt based currency system we have. Why don't we have a go at addressing that? If there was ever a place to truly start to get ourselves and the world back on the right track, it would be there. How can it be that such a tiny group of people get to determine the most valuable thing each and every individual has? The value of their time and efforts.
And why do so many of our politicians ignore this?
Because they are benefiting from the system at the expense of the rest of us.
Is it any wonder that people get pissed off and start killing, maiming and generally causing havoc when we live under such conditions?
Now don't get me wrong, I consider myself blessed to live where I do, have what I have. No matter what conditions come I'm going to figure a way to prosper under those conditions. Things could certainly be worse. But I see the trends, I see how much more difficult it is getting for more and more people. And all that is being done or proposed won't do a thing to address any of that. Those proposals and moves are only adding more and more downward pressure. This fucking lid is going to blow one day, and that's when things will get out of control.
The United States was designed to be a classless society. Where anyone could improve the conditions of their lives based on their own merits and talents. But we are not that way anymore, are we? Do we not see ourselves in several distinct classes? Not just middle class, upper class, rich poor, but the whole spectrum. Each and everyone of us is labeled, classified and set one upon another to argue stupid shit that no legislation will ever solve. And the whole while we all ignore that one thing, the one group who is truly running the world. The God Damned Money Powers.
If there is anyone who needs to be brought to heel, it's those fuckers. We put a leash on those bastards and train them to sit and roll over like they are supposed to instead of them being the one's leading us around like dogs. It would be painful in the short run, but after that you'd see how well we all start getting along without that blood sucking element able to suck the wealth, sweat and blood out of us.
/rant.
Go back to your regular schedule of blaming this side or that side like any of what we say or do makes any damn difference at all.
