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Re: Gun Control

Postby Woodruff on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:23 am

Nobunaga wrote:
Woodruff wrote:... Oh wait, it's ok for the government to invade our bedrooms, as long as they don't invade our gun safes.


Who is invading your bedroom, Woodruff? What are you referencing here?


The government's interference in homosexual marriages.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:18 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:
Woodruff wrote:... Oh wait, it's ok for the government to invade our bedrooms, as long as they don't invade our gun safes.


Who is invading your bedroom, Woodruff? What are you referencing here?


The government's interference in homosexual marriages.


People don't get married in their homes!

Ur argument is invalid!
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Re: Gun Control

Postby patches70 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:41 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:
Woodruff wrote:... Oh wait, it's ok for the government to invade our bedrooms, as long as they don't invade our gun safes.


Who is invading your bedroom, Woodruff? What are you referencing here?


The government's interference in homosexual marriages.


People don't get married in their homes!



They do in West Virginia!
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:19 pm

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Juan_Bottom wrote:I have no power, I'm arguing common sense. 90,000 American murders in 10 years, and no dictators overthrown shouldn't be ignored. That's something like 7 children killed everyday.


Well that's just a rarity.

But seriously...I don't think you can conflate the 90,000 to being all children. That's a Phatscottyesque derivative.


Oh ya ya ya, that was bad English on my part. I got those numbers from separate sources (the 90,000 number has been quoted on the Daily Show, the 7 kids a day from HuffPost) But they're not the same number.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:32 pm

patches70 wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:
Woodruff wrote:... Oh wait, it's ok for the government to invade our bedrooms, as long as they don't invade our gun safes.


Who is invading your bedroom, Woodruff? What are you referencing here?


The government's interference in homosexual marriages.


People don't get married in their homes!



They do in West Virginia!


UR INVALID!
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Re: Gun Control

Postby ooge on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:05 pm

Night Strike wrote:So how government is set up in a way that we can't have a tyranny today, yet only the government is allowed to purchase new, useful weapons? How would this work Juan_Bottom? And who are YOU to tell someone else what gun they can best use to protect themselves? What right do you have to take away the freedom to choose self-protection from people?

And how does insurance stop gun violence? Insurance doesn't pay out for criminal actions, so what's the point of it?

Plus, how do we have the 2nd amendment if people aren't allowed to buy guns? How do people protect themselves in public if they can't carry a concealed weapon? Do we have to just cry in fear until a police officer shows up to save us? Why are we no longer allowed to protect ourselves?

Your views are utter BS and a complete infringement on our Constitutional rights. Why don't we take away your ability to speak or have a trial by jury since Constitutional rights are irrelevant to you?

By the way, it's funny how you promote a "right" that doesn't exist yet kills every time it's carried out while trying to take away a right that is specifically protected and only kills on rare occasions. If protecting life is important to you, you should start being consistent.


Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. life is more important then your liberty to own a Bazooka. kills on rare occasions?One million Americans killed by gun violence over the same period in which four thousand Americans are killed by terrorist actions.The country sure has gone to great lengths to stop terrorists deaths.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Night Strike on Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:58 am

ooge wrote:Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. life is more important then your liberty to own a Bazooka. kills on rare occasions?One million Americans killed by gun violence over the same period in which four thousand Americans are killed by terrorist actions.The country sure has gone to great lengths to stop terrorists deaths.


Which is why it's illegal to take away the life of another person.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Armandolas on Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:56 am

ive seen a few posts from you. You really look like an idiot if you believe so damn convicted on all you say.Just a fucking brainless sheep
You just resemble Mrs.Palin the most consensual "face " of the American. The face of ignorance and hipocrisy
Im just glad that not every american is not as that, no matter their political convictions.
Yes keep carrying guns and keep the business the most proilific in the world.
Keep on killing eachother everyday.KIKL KILL KILL

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Re: Gun Control

Postby comic boy on Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:30 am

Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. life is more important then your liberty to own a Bazooka. kills on rare occasions?One million Americans killed by gun violence over the same period in which four thousand Americans are killed by terrorist actions.The country sure has gone to great lengths to stop terrorists deaths.


Which is why it's illegal to take away the life of another person.


Except in those States that still operate the Death Penalty and have laughable ' self defence ' laws that allow murderers to walk away laughing .
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Night Strike on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:58 am

comic boy wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. life is more important then your liberty to own a Bazooka. kills on rare occasions?One million Americans killed by gun violence over the same period in which four thousand Americans are killed by terrorist actions.The country sure has gone to great lengths to stop terrorists deaths.


Which is why it's illegal to take away the life of another person.


Except in those States that still operate the Death Penalty and have laughable ' self defence ' laws that allow murderers to walk away laughing .


The death penalty is only applied to those who were convicted of taking the life of another person....usually more than one person. At that point, they've forfeited their own right to life.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Night Strike on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:59 am

Armandolas wrote:ive seen a few posts from you. You really look like an idiot if you believe so damn convicted on all you say.Just a fucking brainless sheep


Rights don't change just because a few people choose to infringe on the rights of other people. There's nothing noble about using someone's tragedy to violate the rights of millions of other people.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Woodruff on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:59 am

Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. life is more important then your liberty to own a Bazooka. kills on rare occasions?One million Americans killed by gun violence over the same period in which four thousand Americans are killed by terrorist actions.The country sure has gone to great lengths to stop terrorists deaths.


Which is why it's illegal to take away the life of another person.


Except it's not illegal in every case. In fact, it's even something that you personally support and is even a part of our justice.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Woodruff on Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:01 pm

Armandolas wrote:You just resemble Mrs.Palin the most consensual "face " of the American.


This sentence frightens me.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Woodruff on Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:01 pm

Night Strike wrote:
comic boy wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. life is more important then your liberty to own a Bazooka. kills on rare occasions?One million Americans killed by gun violence over the same period in which four thousand Americans are killed by terrorist actions.The country sure has gone to great lengths to stop terrorists deaths.


Which is why it's illegal to take away the life of another person.


Except in those States that still operate the Death Penalty and have laughable ' self defence ' laws that allow murderers to walk away laughing .


The death penalty is only applied to those who were convicted of taking the life of another person....usually more than one person. At that point, they've forfeited their own right to life.


You don't seem to have understood his entire statement. Did you want to?

Also, aren't you one of the folks around here who keeps claiming that "rights" are things that can't be taken away? Oh wait, you just did it in this thread, EXACTLY FOLLOWING your statement above:

Night Strike wrote:
Armandolas wrote:ive seen a few posts from you. You really look like an idiot if you believe so damn convicted on all you say.Just a fucking brainless sheep


Rights don't change just because a few people choose to infringe on the rights of other people.


Your hypocricy is getting in your way again.
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Postby 2dimes on Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:02 pm

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Re: Gun Control

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:06 pm

Night Strike wrote:
comic boy wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. life is more important then your liberty to own a Bazooka. kills on rare occasions?One million Americans killed by gun violence over the same period in which four thousand Americans are killed by terrorist actions.The country sure has gone to great lengths to stop terrorists deaths.


Which is why it's illegal to take away the life of another person.


Except in those States that still operate the Death Penalty and have laughable ' self defence ' laws that allow murderers to walk away laughing .


Self defense isn't murder....it's self defense
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Night Strike on Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:08 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
comic boy wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. life is more important then your liberty to own a Bazooka. kills on rare occasions?One million Americans killed by gun violence over the same period in which four thousand Americans are killed by terrorist actions.The country sure has gone to great lengths to stop terrorists deaths.


Which is why it's illegal to take away the life of another person.


Except in those States that still operate the Death Penalty and have laughable ' self defence ' laws that allow murderers to walk away laughing .


The death penalty is only applied to those who were convicted of taking the life of another person....usually more than one person. At that point, they've forfeited their own right to life.


You don't seem to have understood his entire statement. Did you want to?

Also, aren't you one of the folks around here who keeps claiming that "rights" are things that can't be taken away? Oh wait, you just did it in this thread, EXACTLY FOLLOWING your statement above:

Night Strike wrote:
Armandolas wrote:ive seen a few posts from you. You really look like an idiot if you believe so damn convicted on all you say.Just a fucking brainless sheep


Rights don't change just because a few people choose to infringe on the rights of other people.


Your hypocricy is getting in your way again.


If you're too dense to understand the differences between murder, self-defense, and the death penalty, then I can't help you.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Woodruff on Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:11 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
comic boy wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. life is more important then your liberty to own a Bazooka. kills on rare occasions?One million Americans killed by gun violence over the same period in which four thousand Americans are killed by terrorist actions.The country sure has gone to great lengths to stop terrorists deaths.


Which is why it's illegal to take away the life of another person.


Except in those States that still operate the Death Penalty and have laughable ' self defence ' laws that allow murderers to walk away laughing .


The death penalty is only applied to those who were convicted of taking the life of another person....usually more than one person. At that point, they've forfeited their own right to life.


You don't seem to have understood his entire statement. Did you want to?

Also, aren't you one of the folks around here who keeps claiming that "rights" are things that can't be taken away? Oh wait, you just did it in this thread, EXACTLY FOLLOWING your statement above:

Night Strike wrote:
Armandolas wrote:ive seen a few posts from you. You really look like an idiot if you believe so damn convicted on all you say.Just a fucking brainless sheep


Rights don't change just because a few people choose to infringe on the rights of other people.


Your hypocricy is getting in your way again.


If you're too dense to understand the differences between murder, self-defense, and the death penalty, then I can't help you.


If you're too dense to understand that your own exact words were "Which is why it's illegal to take away the life of another person.", then I can't help you because your hypocricy is still getting in your way.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:13 pm

It's not illegal to defend yourself
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Night Strike on Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:17 pm

Phatscotty wrote:It's not illegal to defend yourself


Well, many progressives have tried to make it so, to the point that we have to pass laws just to state that people have the ability to protect themselves, even in their own homes.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Woodruff on Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:04 pm

Phatscotty wrote:It's not illegal to defend yourself


Your brilliant way of stating something that nobody is really arguing against is fascinating, but so the f*ck what?
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Woodruff on Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:05 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:It's not illegal to defend yourself


Well, many progressives have tried to make it so, to the point that we have to pass laws just to state that people have the ability to protect themselves, even in their own homes.


Does the cognitive dissonance make actual uncomfortable vibrations in your head, or is it different from sonic dissonance in that you really do enjoy it?
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Nobunaga on Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:16 pm

My view (excuse me while I pretend somebody cares) on background checks has been stated in previous threads over the years, but I'll rehash.

BG checks can be seen as an assault on personal privacy, but I think it an acceptable one.

I see it similar in ways to police check-points stopping drivers to check for drunks. It is an invasion of sorts, but the goal is to protect the public from the dangerous. This is why we allow it, in general, as a society.

Compare a policeman checking a driver's state of coordination and driving ability with a check on somebody's past for crimes, serious mental illnesses, etc..

I can live with BG checks.

However, the keeping of records on gun purchases by any government entity is another matter entirely.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:13 pm

Nobunaga wrote:My view (excuse me while I pretend somebody cares) on background checks has been stated in previous threads over the years, but I'll rehash.

BG checks can be seen as an assault on personal privacy, but I think it an acceptable one.

I see it similar in ways to police check-points stopping drivers to check for drunks. It is an invasion of sorts, but the goal is to protect the public from the dangerous. This is why we allow it, in general, as a society.

Compare a policeman checking a driver's state of coordination and driving ability with a check on somebody's past for crimes, serious mental illnesses, etc..

I can live with BG checks.

However, the keeping of records on gun purchases by any government entity is another matter entirely.


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Re: Gun Control

Postby comic boy on Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:40 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
comic boy wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. life is more important then your liberty to own a Bazooka. kills on rare occasions?One million Americans killed by gun violence over the same period in which four thousand Americans are killed by terrorist actions.The country sure has gone to great lengths to stop terrorists deaths.


Which is why it's illegal to take away the life of another person.


Except in those States that still operate the Death Penalty and have laughable ' self defence ' laws that allow murderers to walk away laughing .


Self defense isn't murder....it's self defense


If its disproportionate to the level of danger then it should be unlawfull. A guy in Texas saw 2 intruders breaking into a neighbours house , he phoned the cops who told him they were on their way and he should just sit tight. Instead he grabbed his rifle , confronted the burglars , who were not on his property, then shot them both in the back as they ran away.
That was not self defence , it was murder , he was not charged with anything and was interviewed on TV boasting that he was proud of his actions.
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