UK Convicted of Genocide by US Tribunal

[saxitoxin]

My general opinion is that while it wasn't genocide, it was a massive crime.

People are, of course, free to say it wasn't a genocide or Charles Manson was innocent, etc. The Tribunal declared it an act of genocide, though, and a court declared Manson guilty, so those opinions are without basis in fact.

[saxitoxin]

Ah, the potato famine. At the end of the day, you will pay the price if you're a fussy eater

"Potato famine" is a pejorative term. The word "famine" implies this was a force of nature instead of a systemic program of government-managed racial extermination. Even Native American tribes were sending monetary and food aid to Ireland during this time, that's how bad the English ethnic cleansing frenzy had become.

The "Irish Holocaust" or the "Irish Hunger" are historically correct terms. In fact, Ireland was a net exporter of food throughout the holocaust, so "famine" probably isn't even etymologically correct.

[Symmetry]

Ah, the potato famine. At the end of the day, you will pay the price if you're a fussy eater

"Potato famine" is a pejorative term. The word "famine" implies this was a force of nature instead of a systemic program of government-managed racial extermination. The "Irish Holocaust" or the "Irish Hunger" are historically correct terms. In fact, Ireland was a net exporter of food throughout the holocaust, so "famine" probably isn't even etymologically correct.

As noted above, it's an Alan Partridge reference.

[Symmetry]

My general opinion is that while it wasn't genocide, it was a massive crime.

People are, of course, free to say it wasn't a genocide or Charles Manson was innocent, etc. The Tribunal declared it an act of genocide, though, and a court declared Manson guilty, so those opinions are without basis in fact.

You seem to be under the impression that I didn't looks at your link.

[saxitoxin]

Ah, the potato famine. At the end of the day, you will pay the price if you're a fussy eater

"Potato famine" is a pejorative term. The word "famine" implies this was a force of nature instead of a systemic program of government-managed racial extermination. The "Irish Holocaust" or the "Irish Hunger" are historically correct terms. In fact, Ireland was a net exporter of food throughout the holocaust, so "famine" probably isn't even etymologically correct.

As noted above, it's an Alan Partridge reference.

I don't know what an Alan Partridge is and, since you probably knew - in advance - not many people in here are ornithologists, your jocularity was obviously intended to racially demonize a minority group.

[Symmetry]

Ah, the potato famine. At the end of the day, you will pay the price if you're a fussy eater

"Potato famine" is a pejorative term. The word "famine" implies this was a force of nature instead of a systemic program of government-managed racial extermination. The "Irish Holocaust" or the "Irish Hunger" are historically correct terms. In fact, Ireland was a net exporter of food throughout the holocaust, so "famine" probably isn't even etymologically correct.

As noted above, it's an Alan Partridge reference.

I don't know what an Alan Partridge is and, since you probably knew - in advance - not many people in here are ornithologists, your jocularity was obviously intended to racially demonize a minority group.

That is 100% correct, you should report me and use this as evidence.

[saxitoxin]

Ah, the potato famine. At the end of the day, you will pay the price if you're a fussy eater

"Potato famine" is a pejorative term. The word "famine" implies this was a force of nature instead of a systemic program of government-managed racial extermination. The "Irish Holocaust" or the "Irish Hunger" are historically correct terms. In fact, Ireland was a net exporter of food throughout the holocaust, so "famine" probably isn't even etymologically correct.

As noted above, it's an Alan Partridge reference.

I don't know what an Alan Partridge is and, since you probably knew - in advance - not many people in here are ornithologists, your jocularity was obviously intended to racially demonize a minority group.

That is 100% correct, you should report me and use this as evidence.

holocaust denial is not a violation of the rules

[Phatscotty]

I agree. The UK has blood on their hands

[Symmetry]

Reported for Alan Partridge denial. Sorry, Saxi, but the rules are the rules.

[john9blue]

as a person of irish descent, i'm super offended by symmetry's lack of sympathy. wonder if he would joke like this about other genocides?

[Symmetry]

as a person of irish descent, i'm super offended by symmetry's lack of sympathy. wonder if he would joke like this about other genocides?

As a person of Irish descent myself, I'm super-offended that you're super-offended.

[john9blue]

as a person of irish descent, i'm super offended by symmetry's lack of sympathy. wonder if he would joke like this about other genocides?

As a person of Irish descent myself, I'm super-offended that you're super-offended.

i'm tempted to start an infinite chain reaction of offense here.

[Symmetry]

as a person of irish descent, i'm super offended by symmetry's lack of sympathy. wonder if he would joke like this about other genocides?

As a person of Irish descent myself, I'm super-offended that you're super-offended.

i'm tempted to start an infinite chain reaction of offense here.

There would be some symmetry in that.

[kentington]

I am half-Irish. First generation American on my mom's side. I am slightly offended by something one of you said.

private reasons

On a side note: Why don't countries keep to themselves and let other countries decide for themselves? Why punish a generation for something their generation did not do?

[Symmetry]

I am half-Irish. First generation American on my mom's side. I am slightly offended by something one of you said.

private reasons

On a side note: Why don't countries keep to themselves and let other countries decide for themselves? Why punish a generation for something their generation did not do?

Probably a couple of questions worth a separate thread.

[Gillipig]

That's the ugliest collection of people I've ever seen

I thought you lived in america.....

[saxitoxin]

Aid from the Islamic Caliphate

In 1845, because of famine in Ireland the population dropped from eight to six million. When the Ottoman Sultan Abdul Medjid Khan heard from his Irish Doctor that his whole family had died he decided to help the suffering people of Ireland. The Caliphate sent £10,000 to help the people of Ireland, but the British government intervened and ordered aid be limited to £1,000. The Magnificent, the Abdul Medjid Khan, knew that this little would be insufficient to help the Irish so sent three of his ship, laden with food, to Ireland. Once again, the British government intervened and prevented the Ottoman ships from entering the harbors of Cork and Belfast. The Ottoman admiral, however, managed to slip the Royal Navy blockade and secretly dock his vessels in Drogheda.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a73_13480425

Aid from the Choctaw Tribe

The Choctaws learned of people starving to death in Ireland. The Irish were dying because - although there were other crops being grown in their country - all but the potato were marked for export by the British rulers. The Irish poor were not allowed any other sustenance by the British than the potato, and from 1845-1849 this vegetable was diseased. Only sixteen years had passed since the Choctaws themselves had faced hunger and death, and a great empathy was felt when they heard such a similar story coming from across the ocean. Individuals made donations totaling $170 in 1847 to send to assist the Irish people. These noble Choctaw people, who had such meager resources, gave all they could on behalf of others in greater need.

The people of Ireland have never forgotten the kindness shown from the Choctaw Indians. The Irish, realizing that these Native American had delved deep into their own pockets for what little they had to share, have welcomed delegations from the Choctaw Nation and have visited the tribal lands in Oklahoma. In 1992, a plaque was unveiled at the Lord Mayor’s Mansion in Dublin, Ireland that reads, “Their humanity calls us to remember the millions of human beings throughout our world today who die of hunger and hunger-related illness in a world of plenty.”

http://www.choctawnation.com/history/ch ... l-culture/

Aid from Argentina

On learning of the starvation in his native Ireland, Admiral William Brown - the supreme commander of the Argentine Navy - returned to Ireland, which he had not visited since emigrating to Argentina, with his two daughters. Brown traveled in a ship of the Argentine fleet laden with food aid donated by the Argentine people to deliver to the people of Ireland who were being starved by the British rulers.

In 1982 the Irish band Wolfe Tones released a song in tribute to Admiral Brown and expressing Irish solidarity with Argentina in their struggle to reunify the national territory. In April–June 2006 the Irish Navy corvette Eithne travelled to Buenos Aires in the first-ever deployment of an Irish warship in the southern hemisphere, in order to participate in commemorations of the sesquicentenary of Admiral Brown's death. The current commander of the Argentine Navy, Admiral Daniel Martin, is a descendent of Admiral William Brown.

http://www.ara.mil.ar/Archivos/efemeride1413.pdf

tl;dr - this thread is now about the Malvinas

[b.k. barunt]

Aid from the Islamic Caliphate

In 1845, because of famine in Ireland the population dropped from eight to six million. When the Ottoman Sultan Abdul Medjid Khan heard from his Irish Doctor that his whole family had died he decided to help the suffering people of Ireland. The Caliphate sent £10,000 to help the people of Ireland, but the British government intervened and ordered aid be limited to £1,000. The Magnificent, the Abdul Medjid Khan, knew that this little would be insufficient to help the Irish so sent three of his ship, laden with food, to Ireland. Once again, the British government intervened and prevented the Ottoman ships from entering the harbors of Cork and Belfast. The Ottoman admiral, however, managed to slip the Royal Navy blockade and secretly dock his vessels in Drogheda.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a73_13480425

Aid from the Choctaw Tribe

The Choctaws learned of people starving to death in Ireland. The Irish were dying because - although there were other crops being grown in their country - all but the potato were marked for export by the British rulers. The Irish poor were not allowed any other sustenance by the British than the potato, and from 1845-1849 this vegetable was diseased. Only sixteen years had passed since the Choctaws themselves had faced hunger and death, and a great empathy was felt when they heard such a similar story coming from across the ocean. Individuals made donations totaling $170 in 1847 to send to assist the Irish people. These noble Choctaw people, who had such meager resources, gave all they could on behalf of others in greater need.

The people of Ireland have never forgotten the kindness shown from the Choctaw Indians. The Irish, realizing that these Native American had delved deep into their own pockets for what little they had to share, have welcomed delegations from the Choctaw Nation and have visited the tribal lands in Oklahoma. In 1992, a plaque was unveiled at the Lord Mayor’s Mansion in Dublin, Ireland that reads, “Their humanity calls us to remember the millions of human beings throughout our world today who die of hunger and hunger-related illness in a world of plenty.”

http://www.choctawnation.com/history/ch ... l-culture/

Aid from Argentina

On learning of the starvation in his native Ireland, Admiral William Brown - the supreme commander of the Argentine Navy - returned to Ireland, which he had not visited since emigrating to Argentina, with his two daughters. Brown traveled in a ship of the Argentine fleet laden with food aid donated by the Argentine people to deliver to the people of Ireland who were being starved by the British rulers.

In 1982 the Irish band Wolfe Tones released a song in tribute to Admiral Brown and expressing Irish solidarity with Argentina in their struggle to reunify the national territory. In April–June 2006 the Irish Navy corvette Eithne travelled to Buenos Aires in the first-ever deployment of an Irish warship in the southern hemisphere, in order to participate in commemorations of the sesquicentenary of Admiral Brown's death. The current commander of the Argentine Navy, Admiral Daniel Martin, is a descendent of Admiral William Brown.

http://www.ara.mil.ar/Archivos/efemeride1413.pdf

tl;dr - this thread is now about the Malvinas

As a person of Irish descent i have to say you da man Saxi.


Honibaz

[TA1LGUNN3R]

You aren't Irish unless you were born in Ireland.

-TG

[BoomerTheLegend]

Sorry for going off-topic but whats that vid in your sig TG?

[muy_thaiguy]

You aren't Irish unless you were born in Ireland.

-TG

I'm of Irish descent. Of a former Fenian (no, he never took up arms in Ireland) who fled Ireland during the Potato Famine. Who ended up homesteading in Nebraska. Ended up settling in an area that had another Irish family that his family had gotten along with and had lived nearby back in Ireland. The two families eventually became connected through marriage, and badda bing badda boom, turns out I have a big ass family I didn't even knew existed until 2 years ago (one branch of them has about 200 members in it spanning about 3 generations).

Another branch of my family seems to be Welsh, from the best that I can tell. Need to ask the family historian on that side for more information next time I see her. And throw in a bit of German as well.

For my father's side, no freakin' clue. Never met him, don't even have a pic or a name for him. Mother left him before I was born.

[DoomYoshi]

I thought this was going to be about the UK killing the Native Americans.

[BigBallinStalin]

as a person of irish descent, i'm super offended by symmetry's lack of sympathy. wonder if he would joke like this about other genocides?

Well, it was no surprise seeing Sym's despicable behavior against gordon1975. Sym simply isn't a good person.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

You aren't Irish unless you were born in Ireland.

-TG

I'm of Irish descent. Of a former Fenian (no, he never took up arms in Ireland) who fled Ireland during the Potato Famine. Who ended up homesteading in Nebraska. Ended up settling in an area that had another Irish family that his family had gotten along with and had lived nearby back in Ireland. The two families eventually became connected through marriage, and badda bing badda boom, turns out I have a big ass family I didn't even knew existed until 2 years ago (one branch of them has about 200 members in it spanning about 3 generations).

Another branch of my family seems to be Welsh, from the best that I can tell. Need to ask the family historian on that side for more information next time I see her. And throw in a bit of German as well.

For my father's side, no freakin' clue. Never met him, don't even have a pic or a name for him. Mother left him before I was born.

Sounds to me like you're of American descent.

-TG

[Symmetry]

as a person of irish descent, i'm super offended by symmetry's lack of sympathy. wonder if he would joke like this about other genocides?

Well, it was no surprise seeing Sym's despicable behavior against gordon1975. Sym simply isn't a good person.

Never said I was.