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Re: Gun Control

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:47 pm

comic boy wrote:
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Night Strike wrote:
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ooge wrote:Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. life is more important then your liberty to own a Bazooka. kills on rare occasions?One million Americans killed by gun violence over the same period in which four thousand Americans are killed by terrorist actions.The country sure has gone to great lengths to stop terrorists deaths.


Which is why it's illegal to take away the life of another person.


Except in those States that still operate the Death Penalty and have laughable ' self defence ' laws that allow murderers to walk away laughing .


Self defense isn't murder....it's self defense


If its disproportionate to the level of danger then it should be unlawfull. A guy in Texas saw 2 intruders breaking into a neighbours house , he phoned the cops who told him they were on their way and he should just sit tight. Instead he grabbed his rifle , confronted the burglars , who were not on his property, then shot them both in the back as they ran away.
That was not self defence , it was murder , he was not charged with anything and was interviewed on TV boasting that he was proud of his actions.


Your point only makes sense if it were the case that anyone who claims self defense automatically means beyond a doubt that it is in fact self defense. that isn't the case, but if it were, sure, you would have a point.

Except you don't. All you have is 1 exception to some jackass who was trying to save his own butt anyways he could. That is the actions of the lying jackass, that is not a valid example of self defense

In my state, shooting someone in the back means they were running from you and it's a good chance you will go to jail for a while, depending on the circumstances, of course (which are infinite, but keep picking!)

I remember hearing the audio of that tape, and it didn't sound like self defense to me. But of course, I wasn't there, and I don't know the circumstances of the case, why the charges were dropped (of which there could be many different reasons). But you weren't there either.

In any case, that is a very poor example of self defense, which doesn't actually add anything to the discussion, except to point out an exception, which of course we all agree, every person who says it was self defense doesn't automatically mean it was self defense. so...wtg
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Woodruff on Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:13 pm

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Nobunaga wrote:My view (excuse me while I pretend somebody cares) on background checks has been stated in previous threads over the years, but I'll rehash.

BG checks can be seen as an assault on personal privacy, but I think it an acceptable one.

I see it similar in ways to police check-points stopping drivers to check for drunks. It is an invasion of sorts, but the goal is to protect the public from the dangerous. This is why we allow it, in general, as a society.

Compare a policeman checking a driver's state of coordination and driving ability with a check on somebody's past for crimes, serious mental illnesses, etc..

I can live with BG checks.

However, the keeping of records on gun purchases by any government entity is another matter entirely.


seen this? I'm not trying to relate it to anything, just sharing


No, you're not trying to relate it to anything at all! It's perfectly innocent. You would NEVER try to make an outrageous, idiotic implication through a video.

But since you're not trying to relate it to anything, you should stop spamming the thread.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Woodruff on Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:16 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
comic boy wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
comic boy wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Which is why it's illegal to take away the life of another person.


Except in those States that still operate the Death Penalty and have laughable ' self defence ' laws that allow murderers to walk away laughing .


Self defense isn't murder....it's self defense


If its disproportionate to the level of danger then it should be unlawfull. A guy in Texas saw 2 intruders breaking into a neighbours house , he phoned the cops who told him they were on their way and he should just sit tight. Instead he grabbed his rifle , confronted the burglars , who were not on his property, then shot them both in the back as they ran away.
That was not self defence , it was murder , he was not charged with anything and was interviewed on TV boasting that he was proud of his actions.


Your point only makes sense if it were the case that anyone who claims self defense automatically means beyond a doubt that it is in fact self defense. that isn't the case, but if it were, sure, you would have a point.


Is this your weird way of saying that ooge was right all along and that your cries of "self defense is not illegal" were just so much chicanery and obfuscation?

Phatscotty wrote:In any case, that is a very poor example of self defense, which doesn't actually add anything to the discussion, except to point out an exception, which of course we all agree, every person who says it was self defense doesn't automatically mean it was self defense. so...wtg


And yet, the law supported this individual which means, effectively, that it was legal for him to murder the two of them. Ergo, ooge's point.
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Re: Gun Control: Know Your Rights!

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:22 pm

Yet another example of how gun control doesn't work, and individual firearms do. this is educational and real world fact.

Good Guy With a Gun Stops Bad Guy

A mass stabbing was abruptly stopped in Utah yesterday by a law abiding armed citizen. More from ABC4Utah:

A citizen with a gun stopped a knife wielding man as he began stabbing people Thursday evening at the downtown Salt Lake City Smith's store.

Police say the suspect purchased a knife inside the store and then turned it into a weapon. Smith's employee Dorothy Espinoza says, "He pulled it out and stood outside the Smiths in the foyer. And just started stabbing people and yelling you killed my people. You killed my people."

Espinoza says, the knife wielding man seriously injured two people. "There is blood all over. One got stabbed in the stomach and got stabbed in the head and held his hands and got stabbed all over the arms."

Then, before the suspect could find another victim - a citizen with a gun stopped the madness. "A guy pulled gun on him and told him to drop his weapon or he would shoot him. So, he dropped his weapon and the people from Smith's grabbed him."


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavli ... g-n1579924

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Re: Gun Control: Know Your Rights!

Postby Woodruff on Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:26 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Yet another example of how gun control doesn't work, and individual firearms do. this is educational and real world fact.

Good Guy With a Gun Stops Bad Guy

A mass stabbing was abruptly stopped in Utah yesterday by a law abiding armed citizen. More from ABC4Utah:

A citizen with a gun stopped a knife wielding man as he began stabbing people Thursday evening at the downtown Salt Lake City Smith's store.

Police say the suspect purchased a knife inside the store and then turned it into a weapon. Smith's employee Dorothy Espinoza says, "He pulled it out and stood outside the Smiths in the foyer. And just started stabbing people and yelling you killed my people. You killed my people."

Espinoza says, the knife wielding man seriously injured two people. "There is blood all over. One got stabbed in the stomach and got stabbed in the head and held his hands and got stabbed all over the arms."

Then, before the suspect could find another victim - a citizen with a gun stopped the madness. "A guy pulled gun on him and told him to drop his weapon or he would shoot him. So, he dropped his weapon and the people from Smith's grabbed him."


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavli ... g-n1579924

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It's your contention that man couldn't have been disabled just as quickly by a crowd of people without the gun?
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Re: Gun Control: Know Your Rights!

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:39 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Yet another example of how gun control doesn't work, and individual firearms do. this is educational and real world fact.

Good Guy With a Gun Stops Bad Guy

A mass stabbing was abruptly stopped in Utah yesterday by a law abiding armed citizen. More from ABC4Utah:

A citizen with a gun stopped a knife wielding man as he began stabbing people Thursday evening at the downtown Salt Lake City Smith's store.

Police say the suspect purchased a knife inside the store and then turned it into a weapon. Smith's employee Dorothy Espinoza says, "He pulled it out and stood outside the Smiths in the foyer. And just started stabbing people and yelling you killed my people. You killed my people."

Espinoza says, the knife wielding man seriously injured two people. "There is blood all over. One got stabbed in the stomach and got stabbed in the head and held his hands and got stabbed all over the arms."

Then, before the suspect could find another victim - a citizen with a gun stopped the madness. "A guy pulled gun on him and told him to drop his weapon or he would shoot him. So, he dropped his weapon and the people from Smith's grabbed him."


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavli ... g-n1579924

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It's your contention that man couldn't have been disabled just as quickly by a crowd of people without the gun?


IDK Woodruff, that would require a lot of speculation, but obviously the odds are against a person without a weapon disarming a person with a weapon, obviously, but I point that out for you anyways. What we do know is the first person he stabbed could not disable him, and it looks like the second victim just curled up in a ball, and did not disable him. And for anyone else reading out there, I warn you not to listen to Woodruff's advice to charge a person with a weapon without a weapon of your own. That's just fcking dumb and will get you stabbed or slashed, maybe killed, even if you do disarm the stabber.

All we know for sure was that this would be mass stabber was stopped in their tracks by a good guy with a gun, and this citizen who saved untold others from being stabbed or killed is a hero. Then and only then did other people hold him down until the police came.
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Re: Gun Control: Know Your Rights!

Postby Symmetry on Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:43 pm

I'm not sure how this is an example of gun control not working.
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Re: Gun Control: Know Your Rights!

Postby Woodruff on Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:43 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Yet another example of how gun control doesn't work, and individual firearms do. this is educational and real world fact.

Good Guy With a Gun Stops Bad Guy

A mass stabbing was abruptly stopped in Utah yesterday by a law abiding armed citizen. More from ABC4Utah:

A citizen with a gun stopped a knife wielding man as he began stabbing people Thursday evening at the downtown Salt Lake City Smith's store.

Police say the suspect purchased a knife inside the store and then turned it into a weapon. Smith's employee Dorothy Espinoza says, "He pulled it out and stood outside the Smiths in the foyer. And just started stabbing people and yelling you killed my people. You killed my people."

Espinoza says, the knife wielding man seriously injured two people. "There is blood all over. One got stabbed in the stomach and got stabbed in the head and held his hands and got stabbed all over the arms."

Then, before the suspect could find another victim - a citizen with a gun stopped the madness. "A guy pulled gun on him and told him to drop his weapon or he would shoot him. So, he dropped his weapon and the people from Smith's grabbed him."


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavli ... g-n1579924

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It's your contention that man couldn't have been disabled just as quickly by a crowd of people without the gun?


IDK Woodruff, that would require a lot of speculation. all we know is the first person he stabbed could not disable him, and it looks like the second victim just curled up in a ball, and did not disarm him.

All we know for sure was that this would be mass stabber was stopped in their tracks by a person with a weapon, and this citizen who saved untold others from being stabbed or killed is a hero.


The person with the weapon is certainly a hero, I don't question that at all. I'm glad he was there, and had his weapon, because he may not have understood what to do without it but he clearly knew what to do with it in that situation. You seem to have this weird idea that I'm anti-gun. I'm not.

My point, however, is that it seems a little ridiculous to think that a crowd of people could not disable a man with a knife pretty quickly, even with zero training. A lot of speculation?

Never mind that you seem to be almost joyous to the idea that the knife-wielder was attacking innocent people, because it provides (in your mind) the justification for why guns are absolutely critical to the safety and security of Americans.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby isaiah40 on Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:02 pm

comic boy wrote:If its disproportionate to the level of danger then it should be unlawfull. A guy in Texas saw 2 intruders breaking into a neighbours house , he phoned the cops who told him they were on their way and he should just sit tight. Instead he grabbed his rifle , confronted the burglars , who were not on his property, then shot them both in the back as they ran away.
That was not self defence , it was murder , he was not charged with anything and was interviewed on TV boasting that he was proud of his actions.

I know this case, he wasn't prosecuted because in Texas it is lawful to use deadly force to protect your neighbors property. That is from the state prosecuting attorney!
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Woodruff on Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:12 pm

isaiah40 wrote:
comic boy wrote:If its disproportionate to the level of danger then it should be unlawfull. A guy in Texas saw 2 intruders breaking into a neighbours house , he phoned the cops who told him they were on their way and he should just sit tight. Instead he grabbed his rifle , confronted the burglars , who were not on his property, then shot them both in the back as they ran away.
That was not self defence , it was murder , he was not charged with anything and was interviewed on TV boasting that he was proud of his actions.

I know this case, he wasn't prosecuted because in Texas it is lawful to use deadly force to protect your neighbors property. That is from the state prosecuting attorney!


Which is the point that ooge was trying to make, which Phatscotty was attempting to avoid.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:13 pm

isaiah40 wrote:
comic boy wrote:If its disproportionate to the level of danger then it should be unlawfull. A guy in Texas saw 2 intruders breaking into a neighbours house , he phoned the cops who told him they were on their way and he should just sit tight. Instead he grabbed his rifle , confronted the burglars , who were not on his property, then shot them both in the back as they ran away.
That was not self defence , it was murder , he was not charged with anything and was interviewed on TV boasting that he was proud of his actions.

I know this case, he wasn't prosecuted because in Texas it is lawful to use deadly force to protect your neighbors property. That is from the state prosecuting attorney!


Anyone got the rap sheet on the victims? Where they career criminals?

If I remember correctly, they were illegal aliens with numerous aliases and gang members specializing in trafficking slaves and slavery, drugs, forced prostitution, and burglaries.

I think deep down, everyone wants to take a pop at a slave owner, no?
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Re: Gun Control

Postby rdsrds2120 on Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:17 pm

Night Strike wrote:
comic boy wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. life is more important then your liberty to own a Bazooka. kills on rare occasions?One million Americans killed by gun violence over the same period in which four thousand Americans are killed by terrorist actions.The country sure has gone to great lengths to stop terrorists deaths.


Which is why it's illegal to take away the life of another person.


Except in those States that still operate the Death Penalty and have laughable ' self defence ' laws that allow murderers to walk away laughing .


The death penalty is only applied to those who were convicted of taking the life of another person....usually more than one person. At that point, they've forfeited their own right to life.


Back to this post: Is that in the Constitution?

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Re: Gun Control

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:23 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
comic boy wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. life is more important then your liberty to own a Bazooka. kills on rare occasions?One million Americans killed by gun violence over the same period in which four thousand Americans are killed by terrorist actions.The country sure has gone to great lengths to stop terrorists deaths.


Which is why it's illegal to take away the life of another person.


Except in those States that still operate the Death Penalty and have laughable ' self defence ' laws that allow murderers to walk away laughing .


The death penalty is only applied to those who were convicted of taking the life of another person....usually more than one person. At that point, they've forfeited their own right to life.


Back to this post: Is that in the Constitution?

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That's the wrong question. That nor marriage is in the US Constitution.

There are a lot of things that aren't in the Constitution that are still laws, and obviously the death penalty is a state matter. I would bet that it actually is in some state Constitutions.
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Re: Gun Control: Know Your Rights!

Postby rdsrds2120 on Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:30 pm

It's a simple question that that I plan to lead up to others, and I'm strictly speaking of gun control at this point, not marriage.

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Re: Gun Control: Know Your Rights!

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:32 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:It's a simple question that that I plan to lead up to others, and I'm strictly speaking of gun control at this point, not marriage.

BMO


You can wait for Strike, but you know it's not in the Constitution, so I'm guessing it's loaded.
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Re: Gun Control: Know Your Rights!

Postby Evil Semp on Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:47 pm

If back ground checks prevent one nut job from getting a gun and killing someone that it is worth doing.
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Re: Gun Control: Know Your Rights!

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:49 pm

Evil Semp wrote:If back ground checks prevent one nut job from getting a gun and killing someone that it is worth doing.


Doesn't that logic hold true for going outside too? After all, if we made going outside illegal unless it was for work/school, millions every year would still be alive. Forget just one person...
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Re: Gun Control: Know Your Rights!

Postby rdsrds2120 on Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:57 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Evil Semp wrote:If back ground checks prevent one nut job from getting a gun and killing someone that it is worth doing.


Doesn't that logic hold true for going outside too? After all, if we made going outside illegal unless it was for work/school, millions every year would still be alive. Forget just one person...


No, that logic doesn't work. Background checks impose a system of ranking/sorting into the system at hand, whereas you're suggesting it's a binary of either everyone or no one going outside.

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Re: Gun Control

Postby Woodruff on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:17 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
isaiah40 wrote:
comic boy wrote:If its disproportionate to the level of danger then it should be unlawfull. A guy in Texas saw 2 intruders breaking into a neighbours house , he phoned the cops who told him they were on their way and he should just sit tight. Instead he grabbed his rifle , confronted the burglars , who were not on his property, then shot them both in the back as they ran away.
That was not self defence , it was murder , he was not charged with anything and was interviewed on TV boasting that he was proud of his actions.

I know this case, he wasn't prosecuted because in Texas it is lawful to use deadly force to protect your neighbors property. That is from the state prosecuting attorney!


Anyone got the rap sheet on the victims? Where they career criminals?

If I remember correctly, they were illegal aliens with numerous aliases and gang members specializing in trafficking slaves and slavery, drugs, forced prostitution, and burglaries.


It doesn't matter if they WERE career criminals, illegal aliens or gang members. Thoroughly irrelevant, unless you don't care for the U.S. Constitution.
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Re: Gun Control: Know Your Rights!

Postby Evil Semp on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:24 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Evil Semp wrote:If back ground checks prevent one nut job from getting a gun and killing someone that it is worth doing.


Doesn't that logic hold true for going outside too? After all, if we made going outside illegal unless it was for work/school, millions every year would still be alive. Forget just one person...


I don't know if that logic holds true for going outside but it might hold true for going to gun shows.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... w/1847879/
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Re: Gun Control: Know Your Rights!

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:36 pm

Evil Semp wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Evil Semp wrote:If back ground checks prevent one nut job from getting a gun and killing someone that it is worth doing.


Doesn't that logic hold true for going outside too? After all, if we made going outside illegal unless it was for work/school, millions every year would still be alive. Forget just one person...


I don't know if that logic holds true for going outside but it might hold true for going to gun shows.


Your logic is that it will save lives, and even if it saves one life, we should do it...

if we make it illegal for people to go outside, that would save at least one life right? Same can be said for making it harder for people to drive. Hell, you can justify practically anything on the basis of "if it saves one life"
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Re: Gun Control: Know Your Rights!

Postby isaiah40 on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:48 pm

This bill has passed the Missouri House and is now on its way to the Senate. his should become law here in Missouri very soon.

Missouri House of Reps Passes Powerful Nullification of Federal Gun Grab

Second Amendment Preservation Act
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Re: Gun Control: Know Your Rights!

Postby Symmetry on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:55 pm

isaiah40 wrote:This bill has passed the Missouri House and is now on its way to the Senate. his should become law here in Missouri very soon.

Missouri House of Reps Passes Powerful Nullification of Federal Gun Grab

Second Amendment Preservation Act


Do you think it will actually stand up in federal court? Or was it a massive waste of time and money?
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Re: Gun Control: Know Your Rights!

Postby isaiah40 on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:57 pm

Symmetry wrote:
isaiah40 wrote:This bill has passed the Missouri House and is now on its way to the Senate. his should become law here in Missouri very soon.

Missouri House of Reps Passes Powerful Nullification of Federal Gun Grab

Second Amendment Preservation Act


Do you think it will actually stand up in federal court? Or was it a massive waste of time and money?

The US Supreme Court already affirmed that we have the right to bear arms, and that it shall not be infringed on. So there is already a ruling.
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Re: Gun Control: Know Your Rights!

Postby Symmetry on Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:06 am

isaiah40 wrote:
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isaiah40 wrote:This bill has passed the Missouri House and is now on its way to the Senate. his should become law here in Missouri very soon.

Missouri House of Reps Passes Powerful Nullification of Federal Gun Grab

Second Amendment Preservation Act


Do you think it will actually stand up in federal court? Or was it a massive waste of time and money?

The US Supreme Court already affirmed that we have the right to bear arms, and that it shall not be infringed on. So there is already a ruling.


Nullification laws like this don't tend to stand up in federal courts though.

"This is Missouri's answer to mass shootings and gun violence around the country, just keep blaming the government," state Rep. Stacey Newman (D-St. Louis) told HuffPost. "They want to make it easier to have a gun. It makes Missouri look so backwards by saying this is our answer. It says our guns mean more to us than saving lives."

But Robert Cottrol, a law professor at George Washington University, said that since state governments cannot override federal law, the bill would not stand up to a federal court challenge.

Guernsey's bill is not the first one of its kind this year. Wyoming lawmakers considered a similar bill that failed.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/25/missouri-gun-bill_n_3157322.html
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