Gun Control

[Juan_Bottom]

That statement is riddled with inaccuracies. I'd call it a forgery of history.

In the beginning, Militias operated under the watch of the Crown, and were only used to chase off Indians or assist English soldiers fighting the French. During the Revolutionary War, Militias were made up of whoever joined them, landowner or not, and they usually did what they wanted when it came to fighting. Technically they were controlled by the state they came from, but really, nobody controlled them.
All throughout American history, well, until 1865, Southern Militias existed primarily to capture runaway slaves. And because of this, it was in the Southland that Militias were the most active. Again, these Militias were armed and dressed by their state, and when the war broke out, they were organized into state divisions, brigades, regiments, battalions, and companies. These Militias-turned-armies never had to bring their own guns to war. Their state always provided weapons, clothes, and kit to anyone without.
But! going back in time, UNTIL THE 1790s, only Congress could authorize the President of the United State to call on any State Militia for help. At that point in the early 1790s Congress passed the Militia Act. The tiny US Army had laughingly gotten it's ass handed to it by Native Americans; and fearing the Indian Nations would invade the United States, Congress passed the act giving president Washington the power to call forth and organize the State Militias for the defense of the nation. Later, Congress passed a second Militia Act which FORCED EVERY ABLE BODIED MALE INTO THEIR HOME-STATE'S MILITIA.

I want you to think on what this means to the second Amendment. Remember Lexington and Concord.

In the early 1900s, the final Militia Act was passed that replaced these mandatory-conscription militia's with....
THE NATIONAL GUARD.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

You don't know anything about anything, NS. You're just repeating stuff that you've heard other people say.

[Phatscotty]

We've lost a lot of our Freedoms in the last Century Juan, but I didn't think you would use it all as a basis for why we should lose more

[Juan_Bottom]

We've lost a lot of our Freedoms in the last Century Juan, but I didn't think you would use it all as a basis for why we should lose more

One of the freedoms you lost was not being forcibly conscripted into the National Guard, but instead having it on a volunteer-only basis?
Or are we talking about the Civil War?

[Phatscotty]

We've lost a lot of our Freedoms in the last Century Juan, but I didn't think you would use it all as a basis for why we should lose more

One of the freedoms you lost was not being forcibly conscripted into the National Guard, but instead having it on a volunteer-only basis?
Or are we talking about the Civil War?

first: what do you mean "you" lost. Don't you mean "we" lost?

[Juan_Bottom]

lololol

Hey man, my grandmother was a Chippewa from Shell Lake. Ain't nobody conscripting me to go shoot Indians.

[Phatscotty]

lololol

Hey man, my grandmother was a Chippewa from Shell Lake. Ain't nobody conscripting me to go shoot Indians.

what in thee blue hell are you talking about My great great great uncle was native American.....and? Is that supposed to have some dominating effect over my life in the year 2013?

I think you are 100% completely obsessed with race. It's all you see. It's all you think about. Race dictates your thoughts. The first thing you notice is race. Everything revolves around race with you.

That is also the trait of a racist....ya know

[Juan_Bottom]

lololol

Hey man, my grandmother was a Chippewa from Shell Lake. Ain't nobody conscripting me to go shoot Indians.

what in thee blue hell are you talking about My great great great uncle was native American.....and? Is that supposed to have some dominating effect over my life in the year 2013?

HEY I WAS RAISED BY MY GRANDPARENTS.

AND I WANT TO SEE A DNA TEST BEFORE I HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR SPIRIT NAME.

[Phatscotty]

lololol

Hey man, my grandmother was a Chippewa from Shell Lake. Ain't nobody conscripting me to go shoot Indians.

what in thee blue hell are you talking about My great great great uncle was native American.....and? Is that supposed to have some dominating effect over my life in the year 2013?

HEY I WAS RAISED BY MY GRANDPARENTS.

AND I WANT TO SEE A DNA TEST BEFORE I HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR SPIRIT NAME.

I don't know anything about that. It's just what my grandpa taught me about my lineage. I also have Jewish ancestors, and another great great uncle is Ulysses S Grant.....so the F what?

Am I not just a person? Am I not just me? I thought the idea of equality was to move beyond race? To see the person, not the race?

[Juan_Bottom]

That's what they said when they offered a treaty to my ancestors.

[BigBallinStalin]

This is liking skimming through Wikipedia, but without the coherence and citations.

[Phatscotty]

[thegreekdog]

This is liking skimming through Wikipedia, but without the coherence and citations.

Wikipedia is less entertaining and more factual. This like driving through Crazytown.

[isaiah40]

If we do background checks how do we know that the government won't take a look at who you are affiliated with and deny your application based on that?? We all know that the government will do whatever it wants to. So if you are affiliated with the Tea Party, Libertarian Party etc. you are stopped from getting a gun for your own protection, but someone who is left leaning can, is this called discrimination?? Criminals will get guns no matter what you do, the only people that these so-called laws do is keep guns out of law-aiding citizens hands, which is exactly what the government wants. You cannot put people into slavery if they have the means to defend themselves.

[Woodruff]

And I've explained to you the history and language of the 2nd Amendment. Over and Over I always talk about the history behind the issues in this forum, and nobody has any idea what I'm talking about. So don't cry "2nd Amendment rights" when you don't know anything about the 2nd Amendment. Not only does the Constitution provide that the federal government can regulate weapons, the Supreme Court has upheld that right. So there is precedent.

For claiming to know the history of the 2nd amendment, you sure don't know much. The 2nd amendment was written to specifically forbid the federal government from interfering in the rights of the citizens to carry weapons. This was precisely to forbid the federal government from banning people from owning guns in order to prevent them from overthrowing the government. The 2nd amendment specifically codifies our human right to overthrow the federal government if we need to, and the federal government doesn't have authority to ban us from having weapons to do that.

You have a very different text of the 2nd Amendment than I do.

[Woodruff]

This is liking skimming through Wikipedia, but without the coherence and citations.

Wikipedia is less entertaining and more factual. This like driving through Crazytown.

You have an extra word there before "factual" that you don't really need.

[Woodruff]

If we do background checks how do we know that the government won't take a look at who you are affiliated with and deny your application based on that?? We all know that the government will do whatever it wants to. So if you are affiliated with the Tea Party, Libertarian Party etc. you are stopped from getting a gun for your own protection, but someone who is left leaning can, is this called discrimination?? Criminals will get guns no matter what you do, the only people that these so-called laws do is keep guns out of law-aiding citizens hands,

You know that really isn't true, right? I mean, it's already been shown in this thread a couple of times.

which is exactly what the government wants. You cannot put people into slavery if they have the means to defend themselves.

Dude...this is a dumb argument. Your personal firearms are not going to make an effective difference if you are fighting the United States military.

[Night Strike]

That's what they said when they offered a treaty to my ancestors.

You would think that a person who is aware of what happened to the Native Americans wouldn't be so quick to disarm today's population.


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/30/the-pro-gun-billboard-in-colo-that-has-some-residents-upset/

[Night Strike]

Dude...this is a dumb argument. Your personal firearms are not going to make an effective difference if you are fighting the United States military.

Do you realize that's an argument for fewer restrictions, not more restrictions?

When the the 2nd amendment passed, the military and the citizens had the same personal firearms.

[Woodruff]

Dude...this is a dumb argument. Your personal firearms are not going to make an effective difference if you are fighting the United States military.

Do you realize that's an argument for fewer restrictions, not more restrictions?

Do you realize that unless some other "militia" is willing to spend trillions of dollars, it's not going to matter what is restricted or not, as far as facing the United States military goes?

When the the 2nd amendment passed, the military and the citizens had the same personal firearms.

You keep talking about how sacred the 2nd Amendment is, when your own positions do not support it. It seems awfully hypocritical.

[Night Strike]

Dude...this is a dumb argument. Your personal firearms are not going to make an effective difference if you are fighting the United States military.

Do you realize that's an argument for fewer restrictions, not more restrictions?

Do you realize that unless some other "militia" is willing to spend trillions of dollars, it's not going to matter what is restricted or not, as far as facing the United States military goes?

When the the 2nd amendment passed, the military and the citizens had the same personal firearms.

You keep talking about how sacred the 2nd Amendment is, when your own positions do not support it. It seems awfully hypocritical.

Taking rights away from people who have violated the rights of others is STILL NOT THE SAME as the government taking the rights away from everybody.

[Woodruff]

Dude...this is a dumb argument. Your personal firearms are not going to make an effective difference if you are fighting the United States military.

Do you realize that's an argument for fewer restrictions, not more restrictions?

Do you realize that unless some other "militia" is willing to spend trillions of dollars, it's not going to matter what is restricted or not, as far as facing the United States military goes?

When the the 2nd amendment passed, the military and the citizens had the same personal firearms.

You keep talking about how sacred the 2nd Amendment is, when your own positions do not support it. It seems awfully hypocritical.

Taking rights away from people who have violated the rights of others is STILL NOT THE SAME as the government taking the rights away from everybody.

I know you're having difficulty with definitions today, so I'll try to help you out again.
Infringe: "Actively break the terms of a law or to act so as to limit or undermine something".
It IS "still the same" if you honestly want to follow the 2nd Amendment. Now, don't worry...I doubt there are very many of us any longer who believe you're actually concerned about following the 2nd Amendment, outside of your own narrow self-interests.

[Night Strike]

I know you're having difficulty with definitions today, so I'll try to help you out again.
Infringe: Actively break the terms of a law or to act so as to limit or undermine something".
It IS "still the same" if you honestly want to follow the 2nd Amendment. Now, don't worry...I doubt there are very many of us any longer who believe you're actually concerned about following the 2nd Amendment, outside of your own narrow self-interests.

"Narrow self-interests"? You mean all those people who are using the deaths of children to take away guns from the rest of the population? My self-interests are for law-abiding citizens to retain their Constitutional rights and for the government to stop actively working to take them away. Because when the government takes away one Constitutional right by fiat, they have the ability to take away all of them. People aren't free when the government ignores its own supreme law.

[Woodruff]

I know you're having difficulty with definitions today, so I'll try to help you out again.
Infringe: Actively break the terms of a law or to act so as to limit or undermine something".
It IS "still the same" if you honestly want to follow the 2nd Amendment. Now, don't worry...I doubt there are very many of us any longer who believe you're actually concerned about following the 2nd Amendment, outside of your own narrow self-interests.

"Narrow self-interests"?

Yes, your narrow self-interests.

You mean all those people who are using the deaths of children to take away guns from the rest of the population?

Are you one of those people? If not, then no, I do not mean all those people.

My self-interests are for law-abiding citizens to retain their Constitutional rights and for the government to stop actively working to take them away.

It's funny, but the term "law-abiding" is not present in the 2nd Amendment. Want to try again?

Because when the government takes away one Constitutional right by fiat, they have the ability to take away all of them.

You do realize this has long ago passed, right? I mean, you'd have had to use this argument quite some time ago for it to hold validity.

[comic boy]

If we do background checks how do we know that the government won't take a look at who you are affiliated with and deny your application based on that?? We all know that the government will do whatever it wants to. So if you are affiliated with the Tea Party, Libertarian Party etc. you are stopped from getting a gun for your own protection, but someone who is left leaning can, is this called discrimination?? Criminals will get guns no matter what you do, the only people that these so-called laws do is keep guns out of law-aiding citizens hands, which is exactly what the government wants. You cannot put people into slavery if they have the means to defend themselves.

If you are worried about data analysis then you are about 15 years too late , I trust you are out every evening protesting about Google , Facebook , Amazon and all the rest of the demonic corporations fueling your paranoid fears.
As for your other concerns , sorry but a combination of Government , Mega Corporations and organised religion made most of us slaves long ago , sorry but again you missed the boat a fair while back.
Now consider the following ; The chances of the citizens of the USA rising up in the next decade to foil a military coup are next to zero. By contrast ,in the same decade , the chances of hundreds of thousands of American citizens being , accidently or deliberately , maimed or killed , are about 99%.
Given these assertions , why on earth would the former concern you rather than the later , would you follow the same logic in other aspects of your life ?

[Night Strike]

Cole Withrow was just a few weeks from graduating with honors at North Carolina’s Princeton High School. But on Monday, the Eagle Scout and active church member, was expelled and arrested after he accidentally left a shotgun in his pickup truck.

The 18-year-old is now facing a felony weapons charge and a precarious future for what most people in the community believe was an honest-to-goodness mistake.

“I think it’s an injustice for this young man,” family friend Kimberly Boykin said. “He’s a good guy. He’s loved by his classmates and his teachers. You don’t become an Eagle Scout by being a bad seed.”

She said the school district is sending a very bad message to students.

“You teach your kids if you’re in trouble or if you see you’ve done something wrong, go ahead and admit it,” she said. “Be a man and it’ll be fixed. In this case, that’s what he did and he’s being punished for it. That’s not the lesson we need to teach our kids.”

Withrow had spent the weekend camping with a group of his friends, including Boykin’s son. The boys went fishing for catfish on Saturday and skeet shooting on Sunday.

He realized he had left his shotgun in his truck on Monday morning as he reached to grab his book bag, said Boykin.

“He didn’t know what to do,” she told Fox News. “If you jump in the truck and leave, then they get you for skipping school. Once you are there you have to say.”

So the teenager, who did his senior class project on gun safety, locked his truck, walked to the front office and called his mother. That’s when the trouble started.

“He was overheard in a private conversation with his mother explaining what happened,” Boykin said. “He could have told a story, but he told the truth.”

A spokesperson for Johnston County Schools confirmed to Fox News that they found the shotgun in Withrow’s locked vehicle.

“The law is very clear when a person knowingly and willingly brings a weapon onto educational property,” spokesperson Tracey Peedin Jones said. “The situation was turned over to law enforcement immediately.”

Boykin said he was also expelled for 365 days – meaning that he will not be able to graduate from high school.

“He cannot go back on the campus,” Boykin said. “If that happens he won’t get a diploma. He won’t get to walk across the stage with the kids he’s known since birth. He won’t get to start college in the fall.”

Withrow’s arrest has sparked outrage across this small town, southeast of Raleigh. A Facebook page has been launched to generate support for the boy – and students have launched a Twitter hash-tag “#FREECOLE.”

“He is very honest and respectable and would never intentionally try to hurt anyone,” said classmate Kelcie Thomas. “It was an honest mistake and my whole school is backing him up and supporting him fully.”

The Withrow family is not talking to the media on the advice of their attorney – but Boykin said the family is just heartbroken.

“It’s almost like they are in a fog – something so innocent has turned into this big to-do,” she said. “When you try to do the right thing, you get in trouble.”

The school system is standing by their decision.

“Administration reacted promptly and the proper procedures and protocol were followed,” Jones said. “The situation was turned over to law enforcement immediately. As a result of our investigation, it is our best determination that students and staff were safe at all times.”

Boykin said the problem is that the laws are black and white.

“There’s no room for grey area,” she said. “There’s no room for discretion for human error.”

While his future remains unclear, Boykin said an encounter last week sums up the character of Cole Withrow.

“The kids got their caps and gowns on Friday and after school a group of them went to a local Mexican restaurant,” she recounted. “They were being loud teenagers and carrying on – but when the waiter brought their food – the table got quiet. They all bowed their heads and they said the blessing. Cole was one of those kids.”

Boykin said she cried when another mom told her that story.

“They don’t always make the right decisions,” she said. “But I don’t know what other kind of decision he could have made at that point.”

Like many in this town of 1,000 residents, Boykin is dumbfounded.

“Honestly, my heart just broke,” she said. “I know that it was just an honest mistake.”

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/eagle-scout-facing-expulsion-over-gun-charge.html