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Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed May 08, 2013 4:15 pm

Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Which part contains " 'traitors' "?

(None. You're full of it. Thanks for being obvious).


The part I quoted in the OP. In the first sentence. Can we move on?


Since we should assume that you're not this stupid, then we can conclude that you're trolling.

Thanks, Sym!


I have no idea what got up your arse about Ireland pardoning a bunch of guys, previously considered "traitors", who went off to fight the Nazis.


Wait, are they traitors or "traitors"? You seem confused about this.
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Re: Re:

Postby Symmetry on Wed May 08, 2013 4:23 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Which part contains " 'traitors' "?

(None. You're full of it. Thanks for being obvious).


The part I quoted in the OP. In the first sentence. Can we move on?


Since we should assume that you're not this stupid, then we can conclude that you're trolling.

Thanks, Sym!


I have no idea what got up your arse about Ireland pardoning a bunch of guys, previously considered "traitors", who went off to fight the Nazis.


Wait, are they traitors or "traitors"? You seem confused about this.


Ireland doesn't consider them to be traitors. Nor do I. Why do you?
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Re: Re:

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed May 08, 2013 4:42 pm

Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:dte="BigBallinStalin"]

Which part contains " 'traitors' "?

(None. You're full of it. Thanks for being obvious).


The part I quoted in the OP. In the first sentence. Can we move on?


Since we should assume that you're not this stupid, then we can conclude that you're trolling.

Thanks, Sym!


I have no idea what got up your arse about Ireland pardoning a bunch of guys, previously considered "traitors", who went off to fight the Nazis.


Wait, are they traitors or "traitors"? You seem confused about this.


Ireland doesn't consider them to be traitors. Nor do I. Why do you?[/quote]

Why do I what?
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Postby Symmetry on Wed May 08, 2013 4:51 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:dte="BigBallinStalin"]

Which part contains " 'traitors' "?

(None. You're full of it. Thanks for being obvious).


The part I quoted in the OP. In the first sentence. Can we move on?


Since we should assume that you're not this stupid, then we can conclude that you're trolling.

Thanks, Sym!


I have no idea what got up your arse about Ireland pardoning a bunch of guys, previously considered "traitors", who went off to fight the Nazis.


Wait, are they traitors or "traitors"? You seem confused about this.


Ireland doesn't consider them to be traitors. Nor do I. Why do you?


Why do I what?[/quote]

Why do you consider them to be traitors. I'm very happy if you want to walk back your previous comments though.
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Re: Ireland pardons "traitors" who fought the Nazis

Postby Woodruff on Wed May 08, 2013 5:05 pm

patches70 wrote:They should have just been upgraded from traitors to mere deserters.

The US was neutral during part of the war, but we had volunteers who flew with the RAF to fight Nazis and Japanese. The US made sure that those volunteers were properly discharged from the Army Air Forces before going off to fight Nazis. Maybe Ireland should have done the same?

The men referred to in the article were certainly deserters, there is no disputing that. Traitors is a bit too much IMO.


Yeah, that's pretty much how I see it as well. Deserters, certainly. But that seems like the extent of it.
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Re: Ireland pardons "traitors" who fought the Nazis

Postby Symmetry on Thu May 09, 2013 12:21 am

Woodruff wrote:
patches70 wrote:They should have just been upgraded from traitors to mere deserters.

The US was neutral during part of the war, but we had volunteers who flew with the RAF to fight Nazis and Japanese. The US made sure that those volunteers were properly discharged from the Army Air Forces before going off to fight Nazis. Maybe Ireland should have done the same?

The men referred to in the article were certainly deserters, there is no disputing that. Traitors is a bit too much IMO.


Yeah, that's pretty much how I see it as well. Deserters, certainly. But that seems like the extent of it.


How were they deserters? As the article points out, only some were in the Irish Armed forces.
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Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu May 09, 2013 1:37 am

Was that a question?
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Re: Ireland pardons "traitors" who fought the Nazis

Postby Lord and Master on Thu May 09, 2013 5:03 am

Symmetry wrote:... I know that the Taoiseach offered words of condolence towards Hitler when he died.


The country signed and sent an actual book of condolence... (By the words "the country" I of course mean many people, both government members and otherwise, of that nationality, residing in that country. Before the pedants start...)

There was a fairly bloody-minded insistence on Ireland's being a neutral country, that neutrality continues to this day, I say bloody-minded because it was largely influenced by the strong anti-british feeling prevalent in those days (yes, yes AND nights too). Indeed, many IRA members (bearing in mind this was when the IRA was a legitimate organisation concerned primarily with the reclaiming of their own country) were active collaborators with the nazi's, insofar as they wanted german weaponry and ammo to attack the occupying brits with.

An amusing anecdote from the time is of how a german paratrooper (thought to be the scout for a larger force who had arrangements with a cadre of IRA men) was blown badly off course when landing. Injured and disorientated he wandered the lonely countryside for some time before he finally found an Irishman and made contact in the hope that the fella could point him in the right direction (ie towards the IRA boys who were expecting him) whereupon the Irishman shot him and ran away. Turns out the unlucky nazi made contact with, literally, the local village idiot! isn't history fun?
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Re: Ireland pardons "traitors" who fought the Nazis

Postby muy_thaiguy on Thu May 09, 2013 11:43 am

Lord+Master wrote:
Symmetry wrote:... I know that the Taoiseach offered words of condolence towards Hitler when he died.


The country signed and sent an actual book of condolence... (By the words "the country" I of course mean many people, both government members and otherwise, of that nationality, residing in that country. Before the pedants start...)

There was a fairly bloody-minded insistence on Ireland's being a neutral country, that neutrality continues to this day, I say bloody-minded because it was largely influenced by the strong anti-british feeling prevalent in those days (yes, yes AND nights too). Indeed, many IRA members (bearing in mind this was when the IRA was a legitimate organisation concerned primarily with the reclaiming of their own country) were active collaborators with the nazi's, insofar as they wanted german weaponry and ammo to attack the occupying brits with.

An amusing anecdote from the time is of how a german paratrooper (thought to be the scout for a larger force who had arrangements with a cadre of IRA men) was blown badly off course when landing. Injured and disorientated he wandered the lonely countryside for some time before he finally found an Irishman and made contact in the hope that the fella could point him in the right direction (ie towards the IRA boys who were expecting him) whereupon the Irishman shot him and ran away. Turns out the unlucky nazi made contact with, literally, the local village idiot! isn't history fun?

Weren't Nazi collaberators (IRA) arrested and the legitimacy of the IRA sunk during this time? And condolencses sent because as a neutral nation, they pulled for neither side (officially)? And wasn't it Irish policy to send condolensces to ANY head of state as well?

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