Orwellian USA

[Woodruff]

How do you know Obama didn't order it? take 2 You are saying what about leaps in logic?

Sounds like pure speculation to me. It's not like we aren't aware that Obama hates the Tea Party, but of course, I'm sure that doesn't mean anything...

You seem to be doing an awful lot of speculating yourself there, Phatscotty. All the while presenting it as reality, of course.

[thegreekdog]

And next year the IRS gets to control everybody's health care also. Welcome to the modern day Inquisition and Enemies List.

I agree with Woodruff here. It is basically meaningless rhetoric to describe the IRS looking a little bit harder at someone's tax records as an example of the "modern day Inquisition."

It's a good thing the federal government doesn't have access to all sorts of personal records thanks to our privacy laws.

Seriously guys - this is the Wall Street Journal. Nobunaga didn't pull this from some Glenn Beck website. It doesn't bother anyone in the least? Is it going to bother you when the IRS goes after moveon.org in a few years?

At least ooge is being appropriately partisan here.

Let's just look at this objectively. Let's ignore the inquisition and Nazi rhetoric (which I agree is stupid). The IRS has admitted targeting certain groups specifically because of their political affiliations. And that doesn't bother you?

[warmonger1981]

Obama will not take blame for the IRS SHIT. If you think Obama is dumb enough to give personal orders to target specified groups you obviously underestimate the man. As far as Benghazi goes, thats a little more direct as he is commander in charge. Obama supposedly went to bed during Benghazi .Hillary will evade Benghazi as much as possible due to a future run for office in 2016 against Jeb Bush. Basically nothing will happen to either of them. Back to business as usual sadly.

[patches70]

The IRS may be an independent agency, but Obama is the CEO. He may not have been aware but he's he is the guy in charge. Is he going to continue to protect his friends or is he going to do the right thing and start making heads roll? Time will tell I suppose.

And the IRS is the enforcement arm of Obamacare! Hahahah! Isn't that just spiffy?

[Night Strike]

Seriously guys - this is the Wall Street Journal. Nobunaga didn't pull this from some Glenn Beck website.

Which is a shame because Glenn Beck and The Blaze DID report on this 15 months ago today. Everyone else just decided to cover it because the IRS actually admitted to it.

[Night Strike]

and Nixon didn't even go through with it, he only TRIED to. Obama administration actually DID it.

Except... Obama didn't suggest it or request it.
But why let good conspiracy get in the way of the facts, eh.

Even if Obama didn't order these specific actions, these actions have been his modus operandi at every level of government, so at the very least, the culture of every political group he's been involved with is to do everything possible to win. That's why he took actions such as leaking sealed divorce records to smear an opponent in Illinois and leaked other donor/tax issues in a different election. These actions are par for the course for any political operation he's been involved in, so they didn't have to be specifically spelled out from on high.

[Orwell]

and Nixon didn't even go through with it, he only TRIED to. Obama administration actually DID it.

Except... Obama didn't suggest it or request it.
But why let good conspiracy get in the way of the facts, eh.

Even if Obama didn't order these specific actions, these actions have been his modus operandi at every level of government,

Your proof?
What is Obama's alleged Modus Operandi at every level of government?

so at the very least, the culture of every political group he's been involved with is to do everything possible to win. That's why he took actions such as leaking sealed divorce records to smear an opponent in Illinois and leaked other donor/tax issues in a different election. These actions are par for the course for any political operation he's been involved in, so they didn't have to be specifically spelled out from on high.

Yes, in fact, they must be for you to correlate Obama's involvement to Nixon's involvement in Watergate.

But I get it. This is about partisan revisionism, not a political reality. It is one thing to hold President Obama accountable for IRS actions during his administration - it is a wholly different matter if he ordered the IRS to target conservative groups.

[Orwell]

This sums it up pretty nicely: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/05/14/stephen-colbert-on-the-irs-targeting-conservative-groups-video/

[Woodruff]

And next year the IRS gets to control everybody's health care also. Welcome to the modern day Inquisition and Enemies List.

I agree with Woodruff here. It is basically meaningless rhetoric to describe the IRS looking a little bit harder at someone's tax records as an example of the "modern day Inquisition."

It's a good thing the federal government doesn't have access to all sorts of personal records thanks to our privacy laws.

Seriously guys - this is the Wall Street Journal. Nobunaga didn't pull this from some Glenn Beck website. It doesn't bother anyone in the least? Is it going to bother you when the IRS goes after moveon.org in a few years?

Did you even read what I posted?

EDIT: Changed the word "write" to "read"...duh. <sigh>

[Woodruff]

and Nixon didn't even go through with it, he only TRIED to. Obama administration actually DID it.

Except... Obama didn't suggest it or request it.
But why let good conspiracy get in the way of the facts, eh.

Even if Obama didn't order these specific actions, these actions have been his modus operandi at every level of government

AT EVERY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT! Which is...uh...what levels, Night Strike? And "even if Obama didn't order these specific actions", he should still be to blame?

That's why he took actions such as leaking sealed divorce records to smear an opponent in Illinois and leaked other donor/tax issues in a different election. These actions are par for the course for any political operation he's been involved in, so they didn't have to be specifically spelled out from on high.

These actions you've listed here are part for the course for pretty much ANY campaign. This stuff doesn't bother me...you know why? Because it's a matter of leaking SOMETHING THEY ACTUALLY DID. As a voter, I may want to know what they've actually done. I see the stuff you've listed here as of a completely different genre than the IRS situation.

[Gillipig]

Would you guys rather have Hillary than Barack? If you could go back in time and re-vote, would you change your vote to Hillary?

[Woodruff]

This sums it up pretty nicely: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/05/14/stephen-colbert-on-the-irs-targeting-conservative-groups-video/

Honestly? I didn't find that a particularly good take on things. He's usually much better than that.

[Woodruff]

Would you guys rather have Hillary than Barack? If you could go back in time and re-vote, would you change your vote to Hillary?

Hillary's voting record for the military is actually quite good. I favored Hillary when she and Obama were at odds.

[2dimes]

Did you even write what I posted?

Yeah but then you were crabby about it.

[Woodruff]

Did you even write what I posted?

Yeah but then you were crabby about it.

I'm crabby about everything. Get off my lawn, and turn down your music, you damn kids!

[2dimes]

Did you even write what I posted?

Yeah but then you were crabby about it.

I'm happy about everything!

Yay.

[Orwell]

This sums it up pretty nicely: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/05/14/stephen-colbert-on-the-irs-targeting-conservative-groups-video/

Honestly? I didn't find that a particularly good take on things. He's usually much better than that.

That "chilling" champagne bottles have been popping over an IRS field station using keywords to target filings ....yes, I think that sums it up.

[thegreekdog]

And next year the IRS gets to control everybody's health care also. Welcome to the modern day Inquisition and Enemies List.

I agree with Woodruff here. It is basically meaningless rhetoric to describe the IRS looking a little bit harder at someone's tax records as an example of the "modern day Inquisition."

It's a good thing the federal government doesn't have access to all sorts of personal records thanks to our privacy laws.

Seriously guys - this is the Wall Street Journal. Nobunaga didn't pull this from some Glenn Beck website. It doesn't bother anyone in the least? Is it going to bother you when the IRS goes after moveon.org in a few years?

Did you even read what I posted?

EDIT: Changed the word "write" to "read"...duh. <sigh>

Yes. I wasn't replying to you. Settle the f*ck down.

[rishaed]

and Nixon didn't even go through with it, he only TRIED to. Obama administration actually DID it.

Except... Obama didn't suggest it or request it.
But why let good conspiracy get in the way of the facts, eh.

we have all the facts already? Someone should have told me earlier! Can you remind us all please of the facts which you speak. And can you source the evidence that Obama didn't suggest or request it.

Thanks in advance

Well, isn't that convenient - because you apparently have enough "facts" to imply that Obama ordered it.
Or, is that why you caveat with the Obama administration "DID" it? Not exactly Nixon, but point the finger anyway. So whatever, I am sure spreading conspiracy by suggestion is the easier way of going about it.

I'm just going to say.... WHy in the world would the IRS only be targeting tea party ad hoc parties if it wasn't either to
A. Currie Favor with Obama?
B. Had enough Hints drop from Obama.
C.Have some nutjob there who thinks that auditing only Teaparty/Jewish Groups wouldn't be noticed.
D. I can say that Obama has put in quite a few anti-Semetic people in his Cabinet, which fits nicely enough in the Pro-Israeli Lobbying part of the IRS scandal.
E. I don't think he would be dumb enough to actually send in a memo, or other traceable item that would link him directly to this but who knows Presidents have done idiotic things before.

[Orwell]

and Nixon didn't even go through with it, he only TRIED to. Obama administration actually DID it.

Except... Obama didn't suggest it or request it.
But why let good conspiracy get in the way of the facts, eh.

we have all the facts already? Someone should have told me earlier! Can you remind us all please of the facts which you speak. And can you source the evidence that Obama didn't suggest or request it.

Thanks in advance

Well, isn't that convenient - because you apparently have enough "facts" to imply that Obama ordered it.
Or, is that why you caveat with the Obama administration "DID" it? Not exactly Nixon, but point the finger anyway. So whatever, I am sure spreading conspiracy by suggestion is the easier way of going about it.

I'm just going to say.... WHy in the world would the IRS only be targeting tea party ad hoc parties if it wasn't either to
A. Currie Favor with Obama?
B. Had enough Hints drop from Obama.
C.Have some nutjob there who thinks that auditing only Teaparty/Jewish Groups wouldn't be noticed.
D. I can say that Obama has put in quite a few anti-Semetic people in his Cabinet, which fits nicely enough in the Pro-Israeli Lobbying part of the IRS scandal.
E. I don't think he would be dumb enough to actually send in a memo, or other traceable item that would link him directly to this but who knows Presidents have done idiotic things before.

Favor? Hints? All conjecture. And some wild leaps as well.

When you find the direct link between the White House and the Cincinatti field office of the IRS, do tell.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/irs-targeted-groups-critical-of-government-documents-from-agency-probe-show/2013/05/12/bb38e5bc-bb24-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_story.html

And please, who are the anti-Semites in Obama's Cabinet?

[Symmetry]

and Nixon didn't even go through with it, he only TRIED to. Obama administration actually DID it.

Except... Obama didn't suggest it or request it.
But why let good conspiracy get in the way of the facts, eh.

we have all the facts already? Someone should have told me earlier! Can you remind us all please of the facts which you speak. And can you source the evidence that Obama didn't suggest or request it.

Thanks in advance

Well, isn't that convenient - because you apparently have enough "facts" to imply that Obama ordered it.
Or, is that why you caveat with the Obama administration "DID" it? Not exactly Nixon, but point the finger anyway. So whatever, I am sure spreading conspiracy by suggestion is the easier way of going about it.

I'm just going to say.... WHy in the world would the IRS only be targeting tea party ad hoc parties if it wasn't either to
A. Currie Favor with Obama?
B. Had enough Hints drop from Obama.
C.Have some nutjob there who thinks that auditing only Teaparty/Jewish Groups wouldn't be noticed.
D. I can say that Obama has put in quite a few anti-Semetic people in his Cabinet, which fits nicely enough in the Pro-Israeli Lobbying part of the IRS scandal.
E. I don't think he would be dumb enough to actually send in a memo, or other traceable item that would link him directly to this but who knows Presidents have done idiotic things before.

Favor? Hints? All conjecture. And some wild leaps as well.

When you find the direct link between the White House and the Cincinatti field office of the IRS, do tell.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/irs-targeted-groups-critical-of-government-documents-from-agency-probe-show/2013/05/12/bb38e5bc-bb24-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_story.html

And please, who are the anti-Semites in Obama's Cabinet?

Oh, someone takes the bait.

[Orwell]

Apparently, someone was taught to fish.

[rishaed]

and Nixon didn't even go through with it, he only TRIED to. Obama administration actually DID it.

Except... Obama didn't suggest it or request it.
But why let good conspiracy get in the way of the facts, eh.

we have all the facts already? Someone should have told me earlier! Can you remind us all please of the facts which you speak. And can you source the evidence that Obama didn't suggest or request it.

Thanks in advance

Well, isn't that convenient - because you apparently have enough "facts" to imply that Obama ordered it.
Or, is that why you caveat with the Obama administration "DID" it? Not exactly Nixon, but point the finger anyway. So whatever, I am sure spreading conspiracy by suggestion is the easier way of going about it.

I'm just going to say.... WHy in the world would the IRS only be targeting tea party ad hoc parties if it wasn't either to
A. Currie Favor with Obama?
B. Had enough Hints drop from Obama.
C.Have some nutjob there who thinks that auditing only Teaparty/Jewish Groups wouldn't be noticed.
D. I can say that Obama has put in quite a few anti-Semetic people in his Cabinet, which fits nicely enough in the Pro-Israeli Lobbying part of the IRS scandal.
E. I don't think he would be dumb enough to actually send in a memo, or other traceable item that would link him directly to this but who knows Presidents have done idiotic things before.

Favor? Hints? All conjecture. And some wild leaps as well.

When you find the direct link between the White House and the Cincinatti field office of the IRS, do tell.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/irs-targeted-groups-critical-of-government-documents-from-agency-probe-show/2013/05/12/bb38e5bc-bb24-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_story.html

And please, who are the anti-Semites in Obama's Cabinet?

I do believe we had a topic on one of them recently in this forum. That being said my logic is based off of simple theory. It states as such: Every human has a reason for their actions, also known as a motive, and politicians never do things for free without some sort of gain behind it. Where would the gain lie? In this case seeing the "victims" ( I portray not all of them are as innocent as they claim) It would usually lie with the other party. That being said the only one who could partially benefit from it with enough leverage to do so IMO would be Obama. Of course I never said this was fact, as you stated I am speculating as many of the rest of us. However I am looking from a point of motive.

[Orwell]

And please, who are the anti-Semites in Obama's Cabinet?

I do believe we had a topic on one of them recently in this forum.

So what? You made the charge, name names here. All of them.

That being said my logic is based off of simple theory. It states as such: Every human has a reason for their actions, also known as a motive, and politicians never do things for free without some sort of gain behind it.

That is great in a rose-colored glasses world - problem is, not every politician is responsible for the actions that happen around them. I do not care what you political allegiances are - that doesn't make them culpable of what you are accusing the President of orchestrating.
You are accusing Obama of "Nudge nudge, wink wink, know what I mean, know what I mean" actions to suppress political opponents. And your lack of proof is as absurd as the Monty Python skit.

Where would the gain lie? In this case seeing the "victims" ( I portray not all of them are as innocent as they claim) It would usually lie with the other party. That being said the only one who could partially benefit from it with enough leverage to do so IMO would be Obama. Of course I never said this was fact, as you stated I am speculating as many of the rest of us. However I am looking from a point of motive.

Yes, pure conjecture. And when you have proof, please, level the charge. Otherwise, all you are proving is your own confirmation bias.

[Night Strike]

Don't worry, Obama had absolutely nothing to do with it.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05 ... interview/

http://danaloeschradio.com/exclusive-so ... s-scandal/