Scouts welcome the gays

[Haggis_McMutton]

If I had a kid who was in the scouts and I found out that one of the leaders was homosexual, I'd pull my kid out of there in a heartbeat. I don't care if someone innocent feels slighted. Too many gay pedos out there for me to take the risk.

Is this bad trolling or a parody of bad trolling ?

As with any great form of art the final decision is left with the viewer.

But what if someone can't decide? We should designate some Official Decider for these matters.

Hmm ... well there is only one way such an issue could be successfully addressed.

Perhaps it is time to form another committee.

[Phatscotty]

I'm not gay myself, but I know a lot of gay people that I'd really like to hang around with for quite some time. I find it ridiculous that the USA decided to let gays in the scouts community just this week. It was discrimination in its highest form.

People like you make me laugh. You know a few gay people, so you're automatically in tune with the thoughts, desires, wishes of the entire gay community and can therefore sit on your high horse. You also make damn sure to clarify that you're not, heaven forbid, gay. We get it. In fact, most of your type's effort seems dead set on making that clarification, whereas people who truly are advocates of the gay community wouldn't give a f*** what people thought of their orientation.

For what it's worth, the inclusion of the gay community is a smart move for any organization, even if strictly from a PR standpoint, but also, I agree that it's the right thing to do in my opinion. Oh, and I could be gay, or I could be straight, or I could be bi.

Those are what the little a is for in LGBTtUQqIAaNP community - allies. I used to call them the "but I have a black friend" peeps, until they got their own special letter just for them and for nobody else.

[AndyDufresne]

If I had a kid who was in the scouts and I found out that one of the leaders was homosexual, I'd pull my kid out of there in a heartbeat. I don't care if someone innocent feels slighted. Too many gay pedos out there for me to take the risk.

All such individuals should be forced to sew these patches (demerit badges) into their clothing:



And then those that monitor the sewing on of these patches, will wear the following arm bands:




--Andy

[Woodruff]

If I had a kid who was in the scouts and I found out that one of the leaders was homosexual, I'd pull my kid out of there in a heartbeat. I don't care if someone innocent feels slighted. Too many gay pedos out there for me to take the risk.

Why is it that you believe there are more homosexual pedophiles who would prey on young boys than there are heterosexual pedophiles who would prey on young boys?

Many times these sorts of attacks are driven as much by power, coercion and availability as they are "sex".

[Woodruff]

I used to call them the "but I have a black friend" peeps, until they got their own special letter just for them and for nobody elsebut then I realized I was one of those so it sounded stupid.

Fixed for you.

[ooge]

The BSA holds a Congressional charter under Title 36 of the United States Code,[19] which means that it is one of the comparatively rare "Title 36" corporations in the United States.[20] The 1916 statute of incorporation established this institution amongst a small number of other patriotic and national organizations which are similarly chartered,[21] such as the Girl Scouts of the USA, the American Legion, the Red Cross, Major League Baseball, and the National Academy of Sciences.

Wait, wait, wait...what? Major League Baseball? <sigh>

What, Congress wanted to make sure they supported a sport that moved as slowly as they do?

One monopoly might as well protect another monopoly

[JBlombier]

I'm not gay myself, but I know a lot of gay people that I'd really like to hang around with for quite some time. I find it ridiculous that the USA decided to let gays in the scouts community just this week. It was discrimination in its highest form.

People like you make me laugh. You know a few gay people, so you're automatically in tune with the thoughts, desires, wishes of the entire gay community and can therefore sit on your high horse. You also make damn sure to clarify that you're not, heaven forbid, gay. We get it. In fact, most of your type's effort seems dead set on making that clarification, whereas people who truly are advocates of the gay community wouldn't give a f*** what people thought of their orientation.

For what it's worth, the inclusion of the gay community is a smart move for any organization, even if strictly from a PR standpoint, but also, I agree that it's the right thing to do in my opinion. Oh, and I could be gay, or I could be straight, or I could be bi.

Heh, okay. So you've decided to make your post contain a personal attack against me for the better part of it. That's nice.

I haven't claimed to be in tune with the thoughts of the entire gay community, because I don't know them. But I know quite some gay people in the scouts world. This is mainly, because in Holland the majority of the people is tolerant against gay peoples, so gay people have less of a problem coming out of the closet. In Holland it's very normal to let someone know if you're gay or straight, because we can't see the difference. In this particular topic I thought it might be helpful for my argument to let you all know that eventhough I am not gay myself, I have very strong feelings about this subject. You can do with this whatever you want, I'm sure you aren't even going to believe it. That's fine by me, I'm glad we got to know each other a little better.

If you think I have a problem with people thinking something about my sexual orientation, you've got that very wrong. I won't argue you though, because that seems very pointless, taking into account what you wrote.

Anyway, it seems this topic has raised some points, better than I expected. And I have to applaud the majority here for being (more) tolerant (than I initially thought).

[ooge]

If the scouts are privatly owned discriminate all you want. I have no problem with discrimination personally. People will find or create new groups to join. How bout them apples? Bet Im called hatefull for that.

how very Ron/Rand Paul of you.

Oogey, can gay people form their own organizations, groups, and clubs? Can straight people form their own organization, groups, or clubs?

Why or why not?

yes,but as you are aware the scouts enjoy a congressional charter allowing them to be a monopoly,they also receive indirect tax payer funding,although the scouts came to the decision on their own to allow gay scouts to join. The scouts fall under congressional oversight,but the congress has chosen not to use it.Phatman do you support the the private rights of NAMBLA and polygamists compounds rights from government intervention?They are private groups after all.what would Ron/"Ayn"Rand paul say?

I am still waiting for a response to this phatman.

I still request further information to understand the question correctly. Again, what are the private rights of Nambla members? And yes I did answer the other half of the question.

private rights of members I do not know.but you asked can gay people form their own organizations, groups, and clubs? can straight people form their own organizations, groups, and clubs?.so do you support NAMBLA rights as a group or do you think there should be some government over-site on this group?[/quote]

This was an attempt to set a trap for you Phatman just as you attempted to set a trap for me. This is a small government, no government intervention, libertarian philosophy trap. Its fine you don't have to try and wiggle out of it. But if you are talking to the TEA HUMANOIDS as you say you are and really believe in a RANDALL PAUL presidency,you will need to figure out a way to deal with this.Rachel Maddow set a libertarian trap for Rand Paul in a interview,he failed to wiggle out of it.The interview went so badly for him he stopped doing interviews for over a week in the middle of a campaign.If Randall runs for president he will face this again.more details. basically Rand Paul ended up saying private businesses rights were violated by the passage of civil rights legislation and that he would not have voted for it. I was using NAMBLA to show that if someone is a libertarian then they also must support their right to organize and be free of government intrusion. I myself would shut them down tomorrow if I could and call it a tyrannical government all you want.

[strike wolf]

To put it simply, there are an unfortunate many who don't believe that scout leaders will molest the boys because they are gay but still believe having a gay scout leader would give their children a bad role model and there's another group who haven't figured out that gay man=/=pedophile.

[thegreekdog]

Do the boy scouts allow women?

[Symmetry]

Do the boy scouts allow women?

Yes-

Can women be Boy Scout leaders?
Yes. Every leadership position is open to women. In fact, more than one-third of Scout volunteers are women.

http://www.scouting.org/FAQ/Volunteer.aspx

[strike wolf]

Do the boy scouts allow women?

Truth: My scout leader as a kid was a woman.

[AndyDufresne]

Do the boy scouts allow women?

Truth: My scout leader as a kid was a woman.

This explains a lot then:




--Andy

[crispybits]

Do the boy scouts allow women?

Truth: My scout leader as a kid was a woman.

This explains a lot then:




--Andy

Dammit moon moon!

[tzor]

does somebody need a lesson in human biology?

Does human biology say that heterosexual men won't molest boys?

pretty much, yeah.

Looks like the someone that needs a lesson in human biology isn't the someone that you seemed to believe it was.

Stop the Presses, Woodruff and Tzor agree on something!

But to be honest, as someone who had to take the course because there was the possibility that the Children's Choir could sing with the Adult Choir, it is not always obvious to a casual observer that the person most likely to commit molestation on boys may be either male or female / straight or gay / married or single. The media has taught the fallacy that you have to be a single unmarried male (vows of chastity are a plus) with latent homosexual tendencies (like those priests over there) to molest boys.

[Metsfanmax]

If the scouts are privatly owned discriminate all you want. I have no problem with discrimination personally. People will find or create new groups to join. How bout them apples? Bet Im called hatefull for that.

Do you believe a private business should be allowed to put up a sign on the front door that says "Whites Only?"

[Phatscotty]

I understand your point mets, but you are making a jump from an organization/associations to a private business. But there are more relevant comparisons, such as "blacks only" colleges.

[Metsfanmax]

I understand your point mets, but you are making a jump from an organization/associations to a private business.

Is there any way in which the jump is relevant to the question though? Is there a circumstance in which it could be acceptable for a private business and not acceptable for an organization, or vice versa?

[Symmetry]

I understand your point mets, but you are making a jump from an organization/associations to a private business. But there are more relevant comparisons, such as "blacks only" colleges.

You think there are ""blacks only" colleges."? Citation needed.

[john9blue]

Stop the Presses, Woodruff and Tzor agree on something!

But to be honest, as someone who had to take the course because there was the possibility that the Children's Choir could sing with the Adult Choir, it is not always obvious to a casual observer that the person most likely to commit molestation on boys may be either male or female / straight or gay / married or single. The media has taught the fallacy that you have to be a single unmarried male (vows of chastity are a plus) with latent homosexual tendencies (like those priests over there) to molest boys.

is it reasonable to think that that might be true?

do you have statistics showing otherwise?

it would be a shame if both you and woodruff turned out to be wrong.

[Symmetry]

Stop the Presses, Woodruff and Tzor agree on something!

But to be honest, as someone who had to take the course because there was the possibility that the Children's Choir could sing with the Adult Choir, it is not always obvious to a casual observer that the person most likely to commit molestation on boys may be either male or female / straight or gay / married or single. The media has taught the fallacy that you have to be a single unmarried male (vows of chastity are a plus) with latent homosexual tendencies (like those priests over there) to molest boys.

is it reasonable to think that that might be true?

do you have statistics showing otherwise?

it would be a shame if both you and woodruff turned out to be wrong.

No it's not reasonable to think that gay men are pedophiles.

[Phatscotty]

I understand your point mets, but you are making a jump from an organization/associations to a private business.

Is there any way in which the jump is relevant to the question though? Is there a circumstance in which it could be acceptable for a private business and not acceptable for an organization, or vice versa?

vice versa is yes, it's acceptable for black only colleges (they exist), or isn't it? Same with gay groups. We don't force them to accept KKK members or call them bigots or accuse them of discrimination or tyranny if they don't. They can accept/reject whoever they want.

[john9blue]

is it reasonable to think that that might be true?

do you have statistics showing otherwise?

it would be a shame if both you and woodruff turned out to be wrong.

No it's not reasonable to think that gay men are pedophiles.

gay men are pedophiles. not all gay men are pedophiles.

although it may be a foreign concept, you should try to not approach this discussion speaking in absolutes.

i am looking for statistics here, not personal beliefs. sorry man.

[Symmetry]

is it reasonable to think that that might be true?

do you have statistics showing otherwise?

it would be a shame if both you and woodruff turned out to be wrong.

No it's not reasonable to think that gay men are pedophiles.

gay men are pedophiles.

Hmm, your first thought on this says a lot.

[john9blue]

would you like me to find two news articles about two gay men who are pedophiles to prove my point?

i don't understand why you intentionally get yourself into losing arguments. there are so many better ways to troll.