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waauw wrote:The too big to fail-banks are using your deposit money, which should be going out as loans to entrepreneurs and consumers, as money to invest in derivatives. They package their loans into derivatives to sell them to other banks, making any bank failure even more dangerous than they already were before. This results in a circular environment where any bad investment can have grave consequences for the entire financial sector.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-19/what-jpmorgans-london-whale-office-investing-your-deposits-now
They really earn the name "banksters".
John Adams wrote:I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace, that two are called a law firm, and that three or more become a Congress! And by God I have had this Congress!
fadedpsychosis wrote:... can someone do an english version summary of that article? it had a lot of words that I'm not sure are really words at all, and made no sense to me... I'm a soldier, not an economist...
waauw wrote:The too big to fail-banks are using your deposit money, which should be going out as loans to entrepreneurs and consumers, as money to invest in derivatives. They package their loans into derivatives to sell them to other banks, making any bank failure even more dangerous than they already were before. This results in a circular environment where any bad investment can have grave consequences for the entire financial sector.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-19/what-jpmorgans-london-whale-office-investing-your-deposits-now
They really earn the name "banksters".
With all respect, I can make it even shorter.. the banks are reselling loans to themselves with nothing "real" to back it. Since not enough real outside money is coming in, the system will fail. You could call it a kind of pyramid scheme or just say its the mortgage crisis all over, except this time, its just banks that will fail.waauw wrote:fadedpsychosis wrote:... can someone do an english version summary of that article? it had a lot of words that I'm not sure are really words at all, and made no sense to me... I'm a soldier, not an economist...
basically this is what happens: Instead of using deposits to help the people and the economy as a whole by giving out loans, which is what the FED printing policy is all about, the banks are using the people's money to invest in derivatives further making the financial sector even more interconnected and more unstable. They are making the pre-2008 situations even worse than they already were.
This ofcourse is not a durable environment. It's a ticking time bomb. It's hard to know when it'll implode but at some point it will unless something changes drastically. And as the governements and central banks have already shot their last bullets. There will be nothing to stop a global financial collapse, which might even result in a crisis worse than the great depression of the 30's.
And if you don't know what happened in the 30's, just imagine what is happening in Greece to happen to the entire world. One big bank might be all it takes to drag down everybody else.
A global financial collapse would result in the fact that everybody holding paper money(bonds, derivatives and unbacked currencies) will lose wealth and those who hold tangible assets(businesses, houses, lands, ...) will gain from it. It's pretty much a game of musical chairs where it's certain most people will lose and only a small part of the population will gain from it. And unfortunately as always it'll probably be the super rich who gain most from it. The middle class and the lower parts of the upper class are probably going to be the biggest victims of this.
PLAYER57832 wrote:With all respect, I can make it even shorter.. the banks are reselling loans to themselves with nothing "real" to back it. Since not enough real outside money is coming in, the system will fail. You could call it a kind of pyramid scheme or just say its the mortgage crisis all over, except this time, its just banks that will fail.waauw wrote:fadedpsychosis wrote:... can someone do an english version summary of that article? it had a lot of words that I'm not sure are really words at all, and made no sense to me... I'm a soldier, not an economist...
basically this is what happens: Instead of using deposits to help the people and the economy as a whole by giving out loans, which is what the FED printing policy is all about, the banks are using the people's money to invest in derivatives further making the financial sector even more interconnected and more unstable. They are making the pre-2008 situations even worse than they already were.
This ofcourse is not a durable environment. It's a ticking time bomb. It's hard to know when it'll implode but at some point it will unless something changes drastically. And as the governements and central banks have already shot their last bullets. There will be nothing to stop a global financial collapse, which might even result in a crisis worse than the great depression of the 30's.
And if you don't know what happened in the 30's, just imagine what is happening in Greece to happen to the entire world. One big bank might be all it takes to drag down everybody else.
A global financial collapse would result in the fact that everybody holding paper money(bonds, derivatives and unbacked currencies) will lose wealth and those who hold tangible assets(businesses, houses, lands, ...) will gain from it. It's pretty much a game of musical chairs where it's certain most people will lose and only a small part of the population will gain from it. And unfortunately as always it'll probably be the super rich who gain most from it. The middle class and the lower parts of the upper class are probably going to be the biggest victims of this.
That might seem OK, since most of us have insured deposits, but remember how just propping up a bunch of bad housing loans almost collapsed the system and you see why its time to worry.. again.
John Adams wrote:I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace, that two are called a law firm, and that three or more become a Congress! And by God I have had this Congress!
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.
Phatscotty wrote:If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.
Thomas Jefferson
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
waauw wrote:Phatscotty wrote:If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.
Thomas Jefferson"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
President Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence
Phatscotty wrote:waauw wrote:Phatscotty wrote:If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.
Thomas Jefferson"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
President Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence
I have always "thanked" Teddy Roosevelt for Woodrow Wilson. Progress, indeed.... TR puts himself on mount Rushmore, Wilson puts himself on the top bill denomination. Yeah, they were great men![]()
waauw wrote:fadedpsychosis wrote:... can someone do an english version summary of that article? it had a lot of words that I'm not sure are really words at all, and made no sense to me... I'm a soldier, not an economist...
basically this is what happens: Instead of using deposits to help the people and the economy as a whole by giving out loans, which is what the FED printing policy is all about, the banks are using the people's money to invest in derivatives further making the financial sector even more interconnected and more unstable. They are making the pre-2008 situations even worse than they already were.
loutil wrote:Banks are in business to make money.
loutil wrote: They are not in business as a tool of social engineering...even if you would like them to be.
loutil wrote:Interesting points...
I had a conversation recently with Jeff Gundlach (look him if you need to but he is an intellectual high thinker in the world of finance and money) and he proffered an interesting question: what would happen if the the government decided NOT to pay back the notes the Fed was buying? What if that debt was just "canceled". Who would be harmed?
Think about that for a few moments...
patches70 wrote:Repudiation is certainly an option, and it's happened before in history, but the results are....dramatic. Repudiation is the only way places like Greece are going to ever get out from under the thumb of the EMU.
PLAYER57832 wrote:Oh, no, you utterly misunderstand. Its not really our money, it always was their money.. and they can do what they want with it because they know what's best for you.
loutil wrote:waauw wrote:fadedpsychosis wrote:... can someone do an english version summary of that article? it had a lot of words that I'm not sure are really words at all, and made no sense to me... I'm a soldier, not an economist...
basically this is what happens: Instead of using deposits to help the people and the economy as a whole by giving out loans, which is what the FED printing policy is all about, the banks are using the people's money to invest in derivatives further making the financial sector even more interconnected and more unstable. They are making the pre-2008 situations even worse than they already were.
With all due respect...it is not the banks responsibility to "help the people and the economy as a whole by giving out loans". That is also an oversimplification of Fed policy. Further, while some banks do use derivatives it is absurd to suggest banks are not making loans. You do recognize that millions of people have refinanced their loans over the past few years? Have bank lending standard become more strict? Yes, of course. Is that a bad thing? No, not in my opinion. Our previous problem was the direct result of too much credit, especially to people who had no business being extended credit. Banks are in business to make money. They are not in business as a tool of social engineering...even if you would like them to be.
patches70 wrote:I should amend this part, though-patches70 wrote:Repudiation is certainly an option, and it's happened before in history, but the results are....dramatic. Repudiation is the only way places like Greece are going to ever get out from under the thumb of the EMU.
The EMU will happily repudiate Greece's debt and kick her out of the EMU after the nation has been stripped clean of everything of value. Which that process has been going on for a while now....
Like vultures picking a dead zebra apart on the plains.
loutil wrote:Interesting points...
I had a conversation recently with Jeff Gundlach (look him if you need to but he is an intellectual high thinker in the world of finance and money) and he proffered an interesting question: what would happen if the the government decided NOT to pay back the notes the Fed was buying? What if that debt was just "canceled". Who would be harmed?
Think about that for a few moments...
waauw wrote:loutil wrote:Interesting points...
I had a conversation recently with Jeff Gundlach (look him if you need to but he is an intellectual high thinker in the world of finance and money) and he proffered an interesting question: what would happen if the the government decided NOT to pay back the notes the Fed was buying? What if that debt was just "canceled". Who would be harmed?
Think about that for a few moments...
Is that just the debts to the FED your talking about or all debts?
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