Zimmerman vs. DMX - Boxing Match?

[Woodruff]

I'm going to quit reading your posts now. You have presented no evidence towards my "dishonesty." There is no further discussion because now you're just trolling me.

Well at least that way you don't have to actual read where I pointed out your lies. I suppose that's a "win" for you.

[Woodruff]

... which means the jury found Trayvon tried to kill Zimmerman, which makes him guilty of attempted murder. Trayvon Martin is the only one who broke the law...

No. They didn't find Trayvon Martin to be guilty of anything. They found that there was not enough evidence to prove that George Zimmerman was guilty of murder. Innocent until proven guilty. I agree with the court's decision but just because Zimmerman was found not guilty, does not mean that Trayvon was 'guilty', it was determined that Zimmerman had enough reason to fear his own life and unfortunately had to take Trayvon's. It's not a one side wins, one side loses game where one person is innocent so the other side is automatically guilty.

Trayvon may have likely feared for his life by being followed by an older gentlemen so he jumped him. He may have planned on getting a KO out of the deal and walking away. I think Trayvon also had the right to defend himself.

It was just a complete shit situation that got much shittier in a short time. Again, just because Zimmerman was found not guilty does not mean Trayvon was guilty, it just means there was enough reason for Zimmerman to have to resort to what should be the last resort.

Pretty much this. I believe Zimmerman was not guilty. Doesn't make Martin Guilty automatically.

But I think he did try to kill Zimmerman, and that's why he got shot, not because he was walking home, and not because he was eating skittles. You guys are right though.

But it still means something...isn't it obvious Trayvon was guilty of assault at least, right? I know he wasn't on trial or charged with a crime, but he would have to be assaulting Zimmerman in order for Zimmerman to be defending himself.

Jesus Christ, HOW MANY TIMES did I essentially say exactly what they did and you wouldn't listen?

[Jdsizzleslice]

3/16 people disagree... Less than 25%... More like 18-19%

[Phatscotty]

... which means the jury found Trayvon tried to kill Zimmerman, which makes him guilty of attempted murder. Trayvon Martin is the only one who broke the law...

No. They didn't find Trayvon Martin to be guilty of anything. They found that there was not enough evidence to prove that George Zimmerman was guilty of murder. Innocent until proven guilty. I agree with the court's decision but just because Zimmerman was found not guilty, does not mean that Trayvon was 'guilty', it was determined that Zimmerman had enough reason to fear his own life and unfortunately had to take Trayvon's. It's not a one side wins, one side loses game where one person is innocent so the other side is automatically guilty.

Trayvon may have likely feared for his life by being followed by an older gentlemen so he jumped him. He may have planned on getting a KO out of the deal and walking away. I think Trayvon also had the right to defend himself.

It was just a complete shit situation that got much shittier in a short time. Again, just because Zimmerman was found not guilty does not mean Trayvon was guilty, it just means there was enough reason for Zimmerman to have to resort to what should be the last resort.

Pretty much this. I believe Zimmerman was not guilty. Doesn't make Martin Guilty automatically.

But I think he did try to kill Zimmerman, and that's why he got shot, not because he was walking home, and not because he was eating skittles. You guys are right though.

But it still means something...isn't it obvious Trayvon was guilty of assault at least, right? I know he wasn't on trial or charged with a crime, but he would have to be assaulting Zimmerman in order for Zimmerman to be defending himself.

Jesus Christ, HOW MANY TIMES did I essentially say exactly what they did and you wouldn't listen?

Maybe because they speak English and not negative sewage bully troll speak?

[Phatscotty]

... which means the jury found Trayvon tried to kill Zimmerman, which makes him guilty of attempted murder. Trayvon Martin is the only one who broke the law...

No. They didn't find Trayvon Martin to be guilty of anything. They found that there was not enough evidence to prove that George Zimmerman was guilty of murder. Innocent until proven guilty. I agree with the court's decision but just because Zimmerman was found not guilty, does not mean that Trayvon was 'guilty', it was determined that Zimmerman had enough reason to fear his own life and unfortunately had to take Trayvon's. It's not a one side wins, one side loses game where one person is innocent so the other side is automatically guilty.

Trayvon may have likely feared for his life by being followed by an older gentlemen so he jumped him. He may have planned on getting a KO out of the deal and walking away. I think Trayvon also had the right to defend himself.

It was just a complete shit situation that got much shittier in a short time. Again, just because Zimmerman was found not guilty does not mean Trayvon was guilty, it just means there was enough reason for Zimmerman to have to resort to what should be the last resort.

Pretty much this. I believe Zimmerman was not guilty. Doesn't make Martin Guilty automatically.

But I think he did try to kill Zimmerman, and that's why he got shot, not because he was walking home, and not because he was eating skittles. You guys are right though.

But it still means something...isn't it obvious Trayvon was guilty of assault at least, right? I know he wasn't on trial or charged with a crime, but he would have to be assaulting Zimmerman in order for Zimmerman to be defending himself.

No.

Maybe if we actually knew what went on. Maybe if Trayvon was still alive he might get Assault. I don't think he TRIED to kill him, maybe just was trying to beat the living daylights out of him. But no one but Zimmerman will know. And I really think that he doesn't want to think about this again. I'm sure he is ready to move on from this incident.

We know for sure Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the face and slammed Zimmerman's head into the concrete.

[Dukasaur]

We know for sure Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the face and slammed Zimmerman's head into the concrete.

Yes, but we don't know why, and never will know.

I believe that Zimmerman's self-defense was legitimate. He had reasonable grounds to believe his life was in danger and he needed to take drastic steps to defend himself.

This doesn't rule out the fact that Martin was also acting in legitimate self-defense -- that he too believed that his life was in danger and that he needed to take drastic steps to defend himself.

In an atmosphere of distrust, it is perfectly conceivable that both could have been acting with motives that from their respective points of view were perfectly reasonable, and yet produced a non-optimum result. Examples from games theory abound.

[Phatscotty]

We know for sure Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the face and slammed Zimmerman's head into the concrete.

Yes, but we don't know why, and never will know.

Actually, we do have a very good clue (still don't know for sure, but....) from a first hand witness in real time, according to the person Trayvon was on the phone with. She says Trayvon was scared because he thought the guy following him was a homosexual. Notice Piers Morgan, phony shill that he is and a big same sex marriage supporter, does not even call her out on it or ask her to elaborate. She also goes on to say that her parents taught her that homosexuality was wrong and I think she made even more negative comments about it than that, and Piers Morgan did not call her out on it, and even called her a hero short after, to a round of applause.

[Dukasaur]

We know for sure Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the face and slammed Zimmerman's head into the concrete.

Yes, but we don't know why, and never will know.

Actually, we do have a very good clue (still don't know for sure, but....) from a first hand witness in real time, according to the person Trayvon was on the phone with. She says Trayvon was scared because he thought the guy following him was a homosexual.

If that's the case then it supports what I said. Fear of rape is a pretty powerful motivator, and would definitely support a finding of self-defense, if things had gone the other way.

[Phatscotty]

We know for sure Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the face and slammed Zimmerman's head into the concrete.

Yes, but we don't know why, and never will know.

Actually, we do have a very good clue (still don't know for sure, but....) from a first hand witness in real time, according to the person Trayvon was on the phone with. She says Trayvon was scared because he thought the guy following him was a homosexual.

If that's the case then it supports what I said. Fear of rape is a pretty powerful motivator, and would definitely support a finding of self-defense, if things had gone the other way.

What if it was just homophobia? Is that then a powerful motivator to defend himself? I can see that going terribly wrong...

Just because he thought Zimmerman was gay doesn't mean that he automatically wanted to rape him.

[Dukasaur]

Hmm, just curious, but doesn't that also mean that Trayvon profiled Zimmerman as a homosexual, and therefor something to be feared?

I don't know. You'll have to go ask him...

It's certainly possible, but without an opportunity to cross-examine him I wouldn't say it's provable.

[Phatscotty]

Hmm, just curious, but doesn't that also mean that Trayvon profiled Zimmerman as a homosexual, and therefor something to be feared?

I don't know. You'll have to go ask him...

It's certainly possible, but without an opportunity to cross-examine him I wouldn't say it's provable.

So now it turns out that not only was Trayvon Martin the one who used the racial slur, but he is also the one who was profiling.

[Dukasaur]

Hmm, just curious, but doesn't that also mean that Trayvon profiled Zimmerman as a homosexual, and therefor something to be feared?

I don't know. You'll have to go ask him...

It's certainly possible, but without an opportunity to cross-examine him I wouldn't say it's provable.

So now it turns out that not only was Trayvon Martin the one who used the racial slur, but he is also the one who was profiling.

You're leaving out a big "might have been" in there.

[Phatscotty]

Hmm, just curious, but doesn't that also mean that Trayvon profiled Zimmerman as a homosexual, and therefor something to be feared?

I don't know. You'll have to go ask him...

It's certainly possible, but without an opportunity to cross-examine him I wouldn't say it's provable.

So now it turns out that not only was Trayvon Martin the one who used the racial slur, but he is also the one who was profiling.

You're leaving out a big "might have been" in there.

what, profiling? That's what the person who he was talking to said at the time it was happening....It's more information into the reason Trayvon was scared than anything else, besides of course everyone's pure imagination

[Dukasaur]

Hmm, just curious, but doesn't that also mean that Trayvon profiled Zimmerman as a homosexual, and therefor something to be feared?

I don't know. You'll have to go ask him...

It's certainly possible, but without an opportunity to cross-examine him I wouldn't say it's provable.

So now it turns out that not only was Trayvon Martin the one who used the racial slur, but he is also the one who was profiling.

You're leaving out a big "might have been" in there.

what, profiling? That's what the person who he was talking to said at the time it was happening....It's more information into the reason Trayvon was scared than anything else, besides of course everyone's pure imagination

Lol, I wanted to give you a reasonable response here, so I finally gave in and watched your whole stupid 12 minute video to find out exactly what she said. And you know what? She didn't mention the subject at all. You posted the wrong video. Thanks for wasting 12 minutes of my life that I'll never get back. Thank you very much.

Subject: Zimmerman: New Poll

But in any case, even if she said exactly what you said she said, your accusation of "profiling" is just as unjustified towards Martin as the media's accusation of "profiling" was unjustified toward Zimmerman. If Zimmerman was following Martin and obviously staring at him, it could lead to perfectly reasonable concerns by Martin that Zimmerman was planning to rape him, and it does not in any way imply that Martin thought any random gay person was planning to rape him.

[Woodruff]

... which means the jury found Trayvon tried to kill Zimmerman, which makes him guilty of attempted murder. Trayvon Martin is the only one who broke the law...

No. They didn't find Trayvon Martin to be guilty of anything. They found that there was not enough evidence to prove that George Zimmerman was guilty of murder. Innocent until proven guilty. I agree with the court's decision but just because Zimmerman was found not guilty, does not mean that Trayvon was 'guilty', it was determined that Zimmerman had enough reason to fear his own life and unfortunately had to take Trayvon's. It's not a one side wins, one side loses game where one person is innocent so the other side is automatically guilty.

Trayvon may have likely feared for his life by being followed by an older gentlemen so he jumped him. He may have planned on getting a KO out of the deal and walking away. I think Trayvon also had the right to defend himself.

It was just a complete shit situation that got much shittier in a short time. Again, just because Zimmerman was found not guilty does not mean Trayvon was guilty, it just means there was enough reason for Zimmerman to have to resort to what should be the last resort.

Pretty much this. I believe Zimmerman was not guilty. Doesn't make Martin Guilty automatically.

But I think he did try to kill Zimmerman, and that's why he got shot, not because he was walking home, and not because he was eating skittles. You guys are right though.

But it still means something...isn't it obvious Trayvon was guilty of assault at least, right? I know he wasn't on trial or charged with a crime, but he would have to be assaulting Zimmerman in order for Zimmerman to be defending himself.

Jesus Christ, HOW MANY TIMES did I essentially say exactly what they did and you wouldn't listen?

Maybe because they speak English and not negative sewage bully troll speak?

Brilliant example of your own trollish behavior. Thanks, Phatscotty!

[Woodruff]

We know for sure Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the face and slammed Zimmerman's head into the concrete.

Yes, but we don't know why, and never will know.

Actually, we do have a very good clue (still don't know for sure, but....) from a first hand witness in real time, according to the person Trayvon was on the phone with. She says Trayvon was scared because he thought the guy following him was a homosexual.

If that's the case then it supports what I said. Fear of rape is a pretty powerful motivator, and would definitely support a finding of self-defense, if things had gone the other way.

What if it was just homophobia? Is that then a powerful motivator to defend himself? I can see that going terribly wrong...
Just because he thought Zimmerman was gay doesn't mean that he automatically wanted to rape him.

You definitely will go to any length to defend the gun-wielder while going to any length to attack the black kid. Surprising to everyone, I'm sure.

[Woodruff]

Hmm, just curious, but doesn't that also mean that Trayvon profiled Zimmerman as a homosexual, and therefor something to be feared?

I don't know. You'll have to go ask him...

It's certainly possible, but without an opportunity to cross-examine him I wouldn't say it's provable.

So now it turns out that not only was Trayvon Martin the one who used the racial slur, but he is also the one who was profiling.

Though not necessarily the ONLY one, in either of those cases. Of course, admitting to that doesn't allow you to defend the gun-wielder as vociferously.

[Phatscotty]

Hmm, just curious, but doesn't that also mean that Trayvon profiled Zimmerman as a homosexual, and therefor something to be feared?

I don't know. You'll have to go ask him...

It's certainly possible, but without an opportunity to cross-examine him I wouldn't say it's provable.

So now it turns out that not only was Trayvon Martin the one who used the racial slur, but he is also the one who was profiling.

Though not necessarily the ONLY one, in either of those cases. Of course, admitting to that doesn't allow you to defend the gun-wielder as vociferously.

You are hallucinating again. It's a fact backed up by evidence that Trayvon used a racial slur, and there is no evidence Zimmerman used a racial slur. Your repeated claims that Zimmerman did/might have used a racial slur are 100% baseless.

You seem to be changing reality to fit your opinion. It's a common trait of a psycho

[Phatscotty]

Hmm, just curious, but doesn't that also mean that Trayvon profiled Zimmerman as a homosexual, and therefor something to be feared?

I don't know. You'll have to go ask him...

It's certainly possible, but without an opportunity to cross-examine him I wouldn't say it's provable.

So now it turns out that not only was Trayvon Martin the one who used the racial slur, but he is also the one who was profiling.

You're leaving out a big "might have been" in there.

what, profiling? That's what the person who he was talking to said at the time it was happening....It's more information into the reason Trayvon was scared than anything else, besides of course everyone's pure imagination

Lol, I wanted to give you a reasonable response here, so I finally gave in and watched your whole stupid 12 minute video to find out exactly what she said. And you know what? She didn't mention the subject at all. You posted the wrong video. Thanks for wasting 12 minutes of my life that I'll never get back. Thank you very much.

Subject: Zimmerman: New Poll

But in any case, even if she said exactly what you said she said, your accusation of "profiling" is just as unjustified towards Martin as the media's accusation of "profiling" was unjustified toward Zimmerman. If Zimmerman was following Martin and obviously staring at him, it could lead to perfectly reasonable concerns by Martin that Zimmerman was planning to rape him, and it does not in any way imply that Martin thought any random gay person was planning to rape him.

Yes that is true. I am speaking of profiling the same way the media and the president speaks about it, in order to make the point about their hypocrisy.

I caught that I posted the wrong video, but the one in this post is the correct one, and I am sorry I posted the wrong one originally.

[Dukasaur]

So now it turns out that not only was Trayvon Martin the one who used the racial slur, but he is also the one who was profiling.

You're leaving out a big "might have been" in there.

what, profiling? That's what the person who he was talking to said at the time it was happening....It's more information into the reason Trayvon was scared than anything else, besides of course everyone's pure imagination

Lol, I wanted to give you a reasonable response here, so I finally gave in and watched your whole stupid 12 minute video to find out exactly what she said. And you know what? She didn't mention the subject at all. You posted the wrong video. Thanks for wasting 12 minutes of my life that I'll never get back. Thank you very much.

Subject: Zimmerman: New Poll

But in any case, even if she said exactly what you said she said, your accusation of "profiling" is just as unjustified towards Martin as the media's accusation of "profiling" was unjustified toward Zimmerman. If Zimmerman was following Martin and obviously staring at him, it could lead to perfectly reasonable concerns by Martin that Zimmerman was planning to rape him, and it does not in any way imply that Martin thought any random gay person was planning to rape him.

Yes that is true. I am speaking of profiling the same way the media and the president speaks about it, in order to make the point about their hypocrisy.

I caught that I posted the wrong video, but the one in this post is the correct one, and I am sorry I posted the wrong one originally.

You changed it after I watched it but before I hit the quote button, lol. It's hard to keep up with your rapid-fire editting.

Anyway, I'm not the media or your president. You don't need to score points about their hypocrisy when responding to me. I'm just as cynical about their motives as you are, and playing these games is just going to make me cynical about your motives also.

[Phatscotty]

So now it turns out that not only was Trayvon Martin the one who used the racial slur, but he is also the one who was profiling.

You're leaving out a big "might have been" in there.

what, profiling? That's what the person who he was talking to said at the time it was happening....It's more information into the reason Trayvon was scared than anything else, besides of course everyone's pure imagination

Lol, I wanted to give you a reasonable response here, so I finally gave in and watched your whole stupid 12 minute video to find out exactly what she said. And you know what? She didn't mention the subject at all. You posted the wrong video. Thanks for wasting 12 minutes of my life that I'll never get back. Thank you very much.

Subject: Zimmerman: New Poll

But in any case, even if she said exactly what you said she said, your accusation of "profiling" is just as unjustified towards Martin as the media's accusation of "profiling" was unjustified toward Zimmerman. If Zimmerman was following Martin and obviously staring at him, it could lead to perfectly reasonable concerns by Martin that Zimmerman was planning to rape him, and it does not in any way imply that Martin thought any random gay person was planning to rape him.

Yes that is true. I am speaking of profiling the same way the media and the president speaks about it, in order to make the point about their hypocrisy.

I caught that I posted the wrong video, but the one in this post is the correct one, and I am sorry I posted the wrong one originally.

You changed it after I watched it but before I hit the quote button, lol. It's hard to keep up with your rapid-fire editting.

Anyway, I'm not the media or your president. You don't need to score points about their hypocrisy when responding to me. I'm just as cynical about their motives as you are, and playing these games is just going to make me cynical about your motives also.

That's fine, I understand what you mean. My motive is to show people who accuse Zimmerman of profiling solely based on race just how ridiculous that claim is, and isn't meant for people who already get it. Sorry for treating you as if you didn't get it, I didn't mean to.

But that is the correct video now. If you want to hear her version of why Trayvon was scared, it's there

[Woodruff]

Hmm, just curious, but doesn't that also mean that Trayvon profiled Zimmerman as a homosexual, and therefor something to be feared?

I don't know. You'll have to go ask him...

It's certainly possible, but without an opportunity to cross-examine him I wouldn't say it's provable.

So now it turns out that not only was Trayvon Martin the one who used the racial slur, but he is also the one who was profiling.

Though not necessarily the ONLY one, in either of those cases. Of course, admitting to that doesn't allow you to defend the gun-wielder as vociferously.

You are hallucinating again. It's a fact backed up by evidence that Trayvon used a racial slur, and there is no evidence Zimmerman used a racial slur. Your repeated claims that Zimmerman did/might have used a racial slur are 100% baseless.

My statement that Zimmerman might have used a racial slur is not baseless. The fact of the matter is that we simply do not know. Therefore, your claim that Martin was the only one who did is as baseless as my statement.

You seem to be changing reality to fit your opinion. It's a common trait of a psycho

I see you still haven't worked on your self-reflection problem.

[Woodruff]

Anyway, I'm not the media or your president. You don't need to score points about their hypocrisy when responding to me. I'm just as cynical about their motives as you are, and playing these games is just going to make me cynical about your motives also.

That's fine, I understand what you mean. My motive is to show people who accuse Zimmerman of profiling solely based on race just how ridiculous that claim is, and isn't meant for people who already get it. Sorry for treating you as if you didn't get it, I didn't mean to.
But that is the correct video now. If you want to hear her version of why Trayvon was scared, it's there

I'm curious as to how you've come to the conclusion that Zimmerman did not profile based on race? I'm not saying he did...I don't tend to think he did. I simply don't understand how you can conclude that he definitely did not.

[oVo]

Profile based on race? I tend to think he did.
He owns a bias just like everyone else and
it's hard to imagine it was turned off.

There's a reason he called the police, there's
a reason he followed Martin and there's also
a reason he was armed with a handgun.