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/ wrote:How important is the intent of an action when compared to its effects?
ManBungalow wrote:Not totally relevant, but making a distinction between 'cause' and 'trigger' is important.
Army of GOD wrote:Intent intent = new Intent(this,MainActivity.class);
intent.putExtra("POOPEDMYSELF",poopedmyself);
startActivity(intent);
...sorry...too much Android programming.
nietzsche wrote: Why do we put people in jail, to punish them or to protect society from their behaviour?
nietzsche wrote:Army of GOD wrote:Intent intent = new Intent(this,MainActivity.class);
intent.putExtra("POOPEDMYSELF",poopedmyself);
startActivity(intent);
...sorry...too much Android programming.
the money is at ios
Interesting topic, based in the fact that we think our actions are disconnected from our intentions. Why do we put people in jail, to punish them or to protect society from their behaviour?
patches70 wrote:If one had to pick one or the other, then it would be punishment over protecting society. Someone murdering/thieving/raping someone else isn't going to destroy a society.
The punishment for capital murder is mandatory prison terms and/or execution.
The punishment for thievery is jail time/probation/community service.
The punishment for rape is prison, probation and mandatory sex offender registration.
/ wrote:How important is the intent of an action when compared to its effects?
If for example, one were to dare someone to jump off a roof because they genuinely wanted to see them hurt, most might agree they are clearly at fault. Even if the case were that they didn't want to see them hurt, but dared them simply because they were stupid, drunk, etc. Many would likely still agree that they shared some blame. The world is full of unintended consequences though, maybe you just invited someone over to the wrong place at the wrong time and they got hit by a car, pure consequentialism would dictate that you were the reason they were there to be hit by the car, but unless you are psychic it’s hard to claim responsibility, despite perhaps feeling guilty.
Some laws, such as “Good Samaritan Laws” even protect against liability for individuals (or sometimes just trained individuals) from liability should they choose to help someone, but instead end up hurting them. Some go so far as to make it a duty, making it a crime not to help someone who is in life-threatening danger.
On the flip side there are laws such as “Eggshell skull”, which enforce that if one causes harm, no matter the how unforeseeable the effects, then they are fully responsible for all damages by law. e.g.: “I only wanted to give him a little shove, how was I supposed to know he’d stumble into traffic?”
Metsfanmax wrote:patches70 wrote:If one had to pick one or the other, then it would be punishment over protecting society. Someone murdering/thieving/raping someone else isn't going to destroy a society.
The punishment for capital murder is mandatory prison terms and/or execution.
The punishment for thievery is jail time/probation/community service.
The punishment for rape is prison, probation and mandatory sex offender registration.
You didn't really answer the question of why we should punish people for committing crimes.
BigBallinStalin wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:patches70 wrote:If one had to pick one or the other, then it would be punishment over protecting society. Someone murdering/thieving/raping someone else isn't going to destroy a society.
The punishment for capital murder is mandatory prison terms and/or execution.
The punishment for thievery is jail time/probation/community service.
The punishment for rape is prison, probation and mandatory sex offender registration.
You didn't really answer the question of why we should punish people for committing crimes.
Yeah, why enforce rules? That's stupid.
On a serious note, what's your position on corporeal punishment, retributive justice, and the like?
ManBungalow wrote:Not totally relevant, but making a distinction between 'cause' and 'trigger' is important.
nietzsche wrote:Army of GOD wrote:...sorry...too much Android programming.
the money is at ios
/ wrote:How important is the intent of an action when compared to its effects?
If for example, one were to dare someone to jump off a roof because they genuinely wanted to see them hurt, most might agree they are clearly at fault. Even if the case were that they didn't want to see them hurt, but dared them simply because they were stupid, drunk, etc. Many would likely still agree that they shared some blame. The world is full of unintended consequences though, maybe you just invited someone over to the wrong place at the wrong time and they got hit by a car, pure consequentialism would dictate that you were the reason they were there to be hit by the car, but unless you are psychic it’s hard to claim responsibility, despite perhaps feeling guilty.
Some laws, such as “Good Samaritan Laws” even protect against liability for individuals (or sometimes just trained individuals) from liability should they choose to help someone, but instead end up hurting them. Some go so far as to make it a duty, making it a crime not to help someone who is in life-threatening danger.
On the flip side there are laws such as “Eggshell skull”, which enforce that if one causes harm, no matter the how unforeseeable the effects, then they are fully responsible for all damages by law. e.g.: “I only wanted to give him a little shove, how was I supposed to know he’d stumble into traffic?”
Woodruff wrote:ManBungalow wrote:Not totally relevant, but making a distinction between 'cause' and 'trigger' is important.
Trigger was the smartest horse in show business.
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