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Metsfanmax wrote:Phatscotty wrote:mrswdk wrote:You're the one stating that liberal professors are brainwashing their students en masse. The onus is on you to prove it, which you cannot do by simply reposting anecdotes about people's dumb professors. It's amusing, but it's no basis for coming to any kind of conclusion.
there is no way to prove it. It's impossible. We can only talk about to what degree it exists.
I am sharing examples en masse. You should be able to admit that being able to present example is at least better than not being able to present any examples. Can you show some examples, even if they are only anecdotal, to support your opinion
You haven't actually provided a single example of a person who has admitted that their political beliefs have become substantially more liberal as a result of their college professors, as far as I am aware.
Conservatives have long suspected there is discrimination against conservative professors in academia, and now there is evidence to prove it. Sociology professor Neil Gross, a self-described liberal, reveals the results of surveys showing this bias in his new book, Why Professors are Liberal and Why do Conservatives Care?
Sociologist George Yancy asked professors if they would be more or less likely to hire someone if they were a Republican, evangelical or fundamentalist. Three-quarters said political affiliation would not affect their hiring decision. But the one-quarter that did say it would influence their decision virtually all said they would favor a Democrat over a Republican. Almost half of the sociology professors surveyed said they would look unfavorably upon evangelicals and fundamentalists trying to get a job in their department!
In a 2005 survey, researcher Gary Tobin asked professors how favorably or unfavorably they felt about various religious groups. Fifty-three percent of academics responded that they regard evangelicals unfavorably. The next highest unfavorable rating was 33 percent regarding Mormons.
Professor Gross performed his own āaudit study,ā sending in fake applications to upper academia at universities around the country. One set of applicants, the control group, had nothing political listed on their resumes. The other two sets of applicants indicated they had either worked on the McCain or Obama 2008 presidential campaigns. He found, āOn average, the DGSs (directors of graduate studies) responded less frequently, more slowly, and less enthusiastically to the conservative applicant.ā
The average professor is three times as liberal as the average American, and academia is even more liberal now than it was in the 1960s. Gross provides evidence indicating that feminism greatly increased the drift of college faculty to the left, in every field except engineering. Today, 63 percent of female academics describe themselves as feminists. Seventy-three percent of academics describe themselves as moderates, liberals or radical leftists. Gross admits, āā¦it would be foolish for anyone with truly antifeminist sensibilities to become a sociologist,ā due to how liberal that field has become. The Sex and Gender Section is the second largest section in the American Sociological Association. New departments have emerged like Womenās Studies where conservatives would not even bother applying.
Grossās thesis is that conservatives self-select other professions, independently choosing not to become professors because academia is so liberal. But this sidesteps the clear evidence Gross provides revealing faculty bias in hiring. Gross cites, yet ignores, a study which found that seven percent of conservative academics report having been the victim of political discrimination. Conservative professor Mary Grabar debunks Grossās thesis, publishing essays from six white male professors who have been blocked out of higher academia, in her new book, Exiled: Stories From Conservative and Moderate Professors Who Have Been Ridiculed, Ostracized, Marginalized, Demonized and Frozen Out. Most of them cannot obtain well-paying full-time work at four-year institutions, and instead are relegated to āperpetual adjunct status, teaching twice as many classes as the average course load, for wages that work out to be less than minimum wage.ā
In the second half of Grossās book, he tries to understand why conservatives care about this bias. Besides the fact that it is unfair to conservatives who want to become professors, the obvious answer is because many professors insert their political biases into their grading and teaching. Gross correctly answers this question on page three in his bookās Introduction and should have stopped there, āStick an impressionable twenty-year old in a classroom for fifteen weeks with a charismatic instructor who makes the case that conservatives are heartless or deluded and that the United States has evil designs, and the student is likely to veer left.ā Gross interviewed professors on whether they engage in political indoctrination, or ācritical pedagogy.ā Two of fifty-seven professors he interviewed fully admitted they were guilty of it.
To his credit, Gross has attempted to put some semblance of fairness into his book, by daring to expose real biases against conservative professors. And for that he was threatened by the very liberal establishment he is a part of. As a result of his audit study, āTwo complained to my institutional review board, and one threatened legal action if his case was not removed from our data set (it was).ā It is a sad day for academia when the left is not only shutting down conservatives, but also their own who are speaking up about the suppression of free speech and the free flow of ideas at the universities.
mrswdk wrote:Whether or not they are trying to is not the argument. Whether or not they are succeeding is what is important. There is plenty of hard evidence that suggests that a professor would not be able to sway his students' ideology. This thread has also collected plenty of anecdotes that refute the claim that professors are influencing their students' ideologies. Can you provide any evidence to the contrary, or are you just clinging on for the sake of it?
Phatscotty wrote:mrswdk wrote:Whether or not they are trying to is not the argument. Whether or not they are succeeding is what is important. There is plenty of hard evidence that suggests that a professor would not be able to sway his students' ideology. This thread has also collected plenty of anecdotes that refute the claim that professors are influencing their students' ideologies. Can you provide any evidence to the contrary, or are you just clinging on for the sake of it?
You might want to check the bolded part. I'm just showing it as it happens, watching people deny it is happening.
How could you know if they are succeeding or not is what I want to know. You are really going to say that out of 25-40 students, hour after hour after hour after hour after hour.....not even a single one of them?
Where did you go to school?
How would you describe what is happening in this video
Phatscotty wrote:mrswdk wrote:Whether or not they are trying to is not the argument. Whether or not they are succeeding is what is important. There is plenty of hard evidence that suggests that a professor would not be able to sway his students' ideology. This thread has also collected plenty of anecdotes that refute the claim that professors are influencing their students' ideologies. Can you provide any evidence to the contrary, or are you just clinging on for the sake of it?
How could you know if they are succeeding or not is what I want to know. You are really going to say that out of 25-40 students, hour after hour after hour after hour after hour.....not even a single one of them?
Metsfanmax wrote:Phatscotty wrote:mrswdk wrote:Whether or not they are trying to is not the argument. Whether or not they are succeeding is what is important. There is plenty of hard evidence that suggests that a professor would not be able to sway his students' ideology. This thread has also collected plenty of anecdotes that refute the claim that professors are influencing their students' ideologies. Can you provide any evidence to the contrary, or are you just clinging on for the sake of it?
How could you know if they are succeeding or not is what I want to know. You are really going to say that out of 25-40 students, hour after hour after hour after hour after hour.....not even a single one of them?
You are really going to say that many thousands of students are being converted this way every year, but you can't find an example of this....not even a single one of them?
Phatscotty wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:Phatscotty wrote:mrswdk wrote:Whether or not they are trying to is not the argument. Whether or not they are succeeding is what is important. There is plenty of hard evidence that suggests that a professor would not be able to sway his students' ideology. This thread has also collected plenty of anecdotes that refute the claim that professors are influencing their students' ideologies. Can you provide any evidence to the contrary, or are you just clinging on for the sake of it?
How could you know if they are succeeding or not is what I want to know. You are really going to say that out of 25-40 students, hour after hour after hour after hour after hour.....not even a single one of them?
You are really going to say that many thousands of students are being converted this way every year, but you can't find an example of this....not even a single one of them?
that's why your thingy doesn't work. There only needs to be one for me to be right, there only needs to be one for you to be wrong. GL
chang50 wrote:Phatscotty wrote:mrswdk wrote:Whether or not they are trying to is not the argument. Whether or not they are succeeding is what is important. There is plenty of hard evidence that suggests that a professor would not be able to sway his students' ideology. This thread has also collected plenty of anecdotes that refute the claim that professors are influencing their students' ideologies. Can you provide any evidence to the contrary, or are you just clinging on for the sake of it?
You might want to check the bolded part. I'm just showing it as it happens, watching people deny it is happening.
How could you know if they are succeeding or not is what I want to know. You are really going to say that out of 25-40 students, hour after hour after hour after hour after hour.....not even a single one of them?
Where did you go to school?
How would you describe what is happening in this video
Don't look much like college age students to me...the title of this thread is,'share your experience of Liberal professors in college',is it not?Btw back in the UK when I was a similiar age to the kids in this video,1962-3,all the bias was conservative with a small 'c',as well as Conserative with a large 'C'.If the pendulum has swung a bit to the left so much the better say I,that was not a golden age.
mrswdk wrote:I guess you never picked up a book other than the ones your professors told you to read, huh?
Metsfanmax wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:Phatscotty wrote:mrswdk wrote:Whether or not they are trying to is not the argument. Whether or not they are succeeding is what is important. There is plenty of hard evidence that suggests that a professor would not be able to sway his students' ideology. This thread has also collected plenty of anecdotes that refute the claim that professors are influencing their students' ideologies. Can you provide any evidence to the contrary, or are you just clinging on for the sake of it?
How could you know if they are succeeding or not is what I want to know. You are really going to say that out of 25-40 students, hour after hour after hour after hour after hour.....not even a single one of them?
You are really going to say that many thousands of students are being converted this way every year, but you can't find an example of this....not even a single one of them?
that's why your thingy doesn't work. There only needs to be one for me to be right, there only needs to be one for you to be wrong. GL
And yet you have failed to provide a single example.
mrswdk wrote:I can't access YouTube so I have no idea.
I'm guessing it doesn't show a teacher successfully converting students into hardcore liberals though.
Phatscotty wrote:not even close. It shows a teacher successfully having extremely young students memorize high praises to a hardcore Progressive (even worse)
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