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2dimes wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Can't you get him on the phone via direct call to God? Isn't that how pray works or something?
Yes and no. Mostly no I guess. I can maybe find the one about the guy that got to heaven and asked to go back to warn his buddy then God said, "No. Besides the guy would never believe you." Which basically suggests I can talk to him. He just can't answer.
BigBallinStalin wrote:Just finished watching Europe Report 2013 (good, low-budget sci-fi film), and a question came to mind:
How would a religion (specifically Christianity) explain extraterrestrial life*?
*From anything like bacteria/single-celled organisms to more complex beings (alien squids!).
2dimes wrote:Are those all from Al Pike's thing?
We might need a new thread to talk about Saul, sabo.
BigBallinStalin wrote:So no collect calls to the dead.... But we're talking about the 'living in heaven' version of 2dimes' buddy---just as living as Jesus is in heaven. They're not 'dead in heaven', are they?
Why doesn't the LORD want us communicating with deceased family members? I bet plenty of believers have prayed to their ancestors in heaven and hell, but obviously they would become detestable to the LORD, which is weird.
Little Timmy: "Mom, I did well on my test today. I made some new friends. I hope you're doing well in heaven."
LORD: "Timmy, I detest you!"
That's rude.
universalchiro wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:So no collect calls to the dead.... But we're talking about the 'living in heaven' version of 2dimes' buddy---just as living as Jesus is in heaven. They're not 'dead in heaven', are they?
Why doesn't the LORD want us communicating with deceased family members? I bet plenty of believers have prayed to their ancestors in heaven and hell, but obviously they would become detestable to the LORD, which is weird.
Little Timmy: "Mom, I did well on my test today. I made some new friends. I hope you're doing well in heaven."
LORD: "Timmy, I detest you!"
That's rude.
I understand your premise and I think its a fair to question and get more clarity. and thankfully God has clarified, for we all have done detestable things against God. Even something as innocuous as praying to a dead mommy without knowing that is wrong to do so. For Galatians 5:16-24 list broad categories to cover all sin on earth and says those who practice those sins will not inherit the kingdom of God. The key word is practice, for we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23), but we can be completely free of sin by believing in Jesus. Then with a changed heart, believers will practice love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. (Galatians 5:21-24).
The sin of the child, since they are at an age before responsibility falls on the head of the household. If someone is unaware they are sinning, they can , just like king David did, ask forforgiveness of unknown sin (Psalm 19:12).
Summary: we all have fallen short of God's standards, but He died for all on the cross to pay in full the cost of violating His law to whoever that believes in Him. There will be believers that will fall short and non-believers that do good things, but the key word is "practice". For a believer practices love joy peace gentleness,etc, and non-believers practice denying God, self love, unforgiving, etc.
Hope this sheds some light on your premise BBS.
BigBallinStalin wrote:universalchiro wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:So no collect calls to the dead.... But we're talking about the 'living in heaven' version of 2dimes' buddy---just as living as Jesus is in heaven. They're not 'dead in heaven', are they?
Why doesn't the LORD want us communicating with deceased family members? I bet plenty of believers have prayed to their ancestors in heaven and hell, but obviously they would become detestable to the LORD, which is weird.
Little Timmy: "Mom, I did well on my test today. I made some new friends. I hope you're doing well in heaven."
LORD: "Timmy, I detest you!"
That's rude.
I understand your premise and I think its a fair to question and get more clarity. and thankfully God has clarified, for we all have done detestable things against God. Even something as innocuous as praying to a dead mommy without knowing that is wrong to do so. For Galatians 5:16-24 list broad categories to cover all sin on earth and says those who practice those sins will not inherit the kingdom of God. The key word is practice, for we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23), but we can be completely free of sin by believing in Jesus. Then with a changed heart, believers will practice love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. (Galatians 5:21-24).
The sin of the child, since they are at an age before responsibility falls on the head of the household. If someone is unaware they are sinning, they can , just like king David did, ask forforgiveness of unknown sin (Psalm 19:12).
Summary: we all have fallen short of God's standards, but He died for all on the cross to pay in full the cost of violating His law to whoever that believes in Him. There will be believers that will fall short and non-believers that do good things, but the key word is "practice". For a believer practices love joy peace gentleness,etc, and non-believers practice denying God, self love, unforgiving, etc.
Hope this sheds some light on your premise BBS.
Keep doing whatever then ask for forgiveness while pleading ignorance.
Not bad.
DoomYoshi wrote:Since Plato was baptised by Saint Augustine, we are allowed to use his writings as an extended form of bible.
Timmaeus specifically states that there must be extraterrestrials. Since God cannot create anything less than immortal, God created the gods to create the mortals. All forms of extraterrestrial life are therefore the gods.
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Read "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark" by Sagan. That is all.
-TG
wiki wrote:The book is intended to explain the scientific method to laypeople, and to encourage people to learn critical or skeptical thinking. It explains methods to help distinguish between ideas that are considered valid science, and ideas that can be considered pseudoscience. Sagan states that when new ideas are offered for consideration, they should be tested by means of skeptical thinking, and should stand up to rigorous questioning.
warmonger1981 wrote:Read " The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow' by Constance Cumbey. Its about the New Age religion being taught to your children. Suggestive thinking for the little ones.
BigBallinStalin wrote:TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Read "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark" by Sagan. That is all.
-TGwiki wrote:The book is intended to explain the scientific method to laypeople, and to encourage people to learn critical or skeptical thinking. It explains methods to help distinguish between ideas that are considered valid science, and ideas that can be considered pseudoscience. Sagan states that when new ideas are offered for consideration, they should be tested by means of skeptical thinking, and should stand up to rigorous questioning.
Wow. You'd think that goes without saying, huh?
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