Three fingers and a thumb?

[notyou2]

-- cultists are masters at making their message meet what people want to hear. it takes a good base to refute the nice words

This isn't even restricted to cultists anymore, I know plenty of "God-fearing" pastors that preach what their congregations want to hear to make them "feel good" about themselves, thereby changing God's word to something different. God's word isn't about making you feel better about yourself, it is making you see yourself how He sees you, someone who sins, and at the same time having someone who can help you out of the mire you got yourself into.

This isn't new. This has been going on for as long as there has been religion.

[Dukasaur]

I don't think there's any virtue in losing your cultural reference points.

I have read to him and his sister from various translations of the Bible most of which are heavily illustrated and geared toward children. I have taken them both into churches that are cool buildings when we have an opportunity, only if they want to. I discuss my beliefs openly with them and ask questions about theirs.

I'm cool with that. Your original post seemed more extreme, but what you're saying there describes a decent, tolerant attitude.

[saxitoxin]

Skip the first part and FF to Ma Sheelah at 1:45-2:30 ... opinions? I've been tapped to be a substitute teacher at the Montessori school and am looking for a good ethics and morality curriculum. Thinking Ma's teachings might be a good one, but still shopping around. 2dimes? Player? Miscellaneous posters?

[2dimes]

First, I thought you were in California not Antelope Oregon.

Second, too many people are not being educated about the smaller killer cults enough, choosing instead to spend their time opposing the more obvious big two.

[2dimes]

Your original post seemed more extreme, but what you're saying there describes a decent, tolerant attitude.

Well I did manage to overlook the pigs having three fingers and an opposable thumb in the OP. Tolerance is a key virtue in my belief structure. I have even been eating more two finger pigs since getting married.

[saxitoxin]

First, I thought you were in California not Antelope Oregon.

I actually drove through Antelope née Rajneeshpuram née Antelope a couple years ago by planned accident. Speaking of which, when I googled that name to make sure I spelled it right I saw someone is selling an old Rajneeshpuram Peace Force badge online; a piece of Oregon law enforcement history for just $177 ...



http://www.fvstore.com/Vintage-Rajneesh ... 36919.html

Say what you want about Hindu LSD mind-control sex gurus, but when they take over small U.S. farming towns they do an awesome job dressing the police - RCMP eat your hearts out -

[notyou2]

What....a hindu sex goddess LSD religion?



Why hasn't anyone told me of this before??????



I'm emigrating.

[2dimes]

Holy spectacular jewelry!!

If I could use the Internet or had money I'd buy that!

I think she's in Switzerland now notyou2, but she's really old. I'd estimate from pictures way over 30 even. Maybe she just smokes a lot.

[PLAYER57832]

-- cultists are masters at making their message meet what people want to hear. it takes a good base to refute the nice words

This isn't even restricted to cultists anymore, I know plenty of "God-fearing" pastors that preach what their congregations want to hear to make them "feel good" about themselves, thereby changing God's word to something different. God's word isn't about making you feel better about yourself, it is making you see yourself how He sees you, someone who sins, and at the same time having someone who can help you out of the mire you got yourself into.

This isn't new. This has been going on for as long as there has been religion.

Try again.. it is what charismatic leaders of ALL stripes do.

And, though I pointed to honesty, the real truth is that good leaders must, at times come close to lying.

[mrswdk]

Good leaders must tell the truth.

1-1.

[PLAYER57832]

Good leaders must tell the truth.

1-1.

On one level, we like to think so. And, with the internet, days of anything not being widely known are quickly disappearing.

Still, the fact is there are more than a few times when leaders will withhold information to promote a cause.. even causes we think of as justified in retrospect. One example is WWII.

Rhetoric is powerful. Telling the full truth takes a LOT of time and research. It is not possible to tell the full truth in only 2 minute blurbs. So, leaders , good speakers pick out points to highlight, to motivate.

Whether I like this or do not is irrelevant. That is how things are...and today's generation, despite access to all kinds of information, is less inclined even than prior generations to take the time to research, listen and truly understand complex points.

[Lootifer]

LOL that Rajneeshpuram story is awesome.

[mrswdk]

Still, the fact is there are more than a few times when leaders will withhold information to promote a cause.. even causes we think of as justified in retrospect. One example is WWII

What about WWII?

today's generation, despite access to all kinds of information, is less inclined even than prior generations to take the time to research, listen and truly understand complex points

Says who? You?

[mrswdk]

Still, the fact is there are more than a few times when leaders will withhold information to promote a cause.. even causes we think of as justified in retrospect. One example is WWII

What about WWII?

today's generation, despite access to all kinds of information, is less inclined even than prior generations to take the time to research, listen and truly understand complex points

Says who? You?

[chang50]

Still, the fact is there are more than a few times when leaders will withhold information to promote a cause.. even causes we think of as justified in retrospect. One example is WWII

What about WWII?

today's generation, despite access to all kinds of information, is less inclined even than prior generations to take the time to research, listen and truly understand complex points

Says who? You?

If the British government had told the British public just how dire the situation was in 1940-1 morale may well have collapsed greatly aiding the Germans.So they were economical with the truth,Player is quite correct in her description.

[mrswdk]

The British government openly acknowledged that it was just the UK vs. the Nazis at that time. The reason the UK was not overcome is because Hitler blinked and refrained from invading, not because Mr. Fothergill the butcher was in such high spirits.

[chang50]

The British government openly acknowledged that it was just the UK vs. the Nazis at that time. The reason the UK was not overcome is because Hitler blinked and refrained from invading, not because Mr. Fothergill the butcher was in such high spirits.

Of course they did, playing the plucky Brits alone against the barbarian Fascists card was a valuable propaganda tool but they also pretended the situation was better than it was to maintain morale which is what anyone would do in such dire straits,that much is patently obvious.My uncle was a schoolkid in the war and he says nobody to his knowledge thought we (the British) would lose.How can anyone dispute this was at least partly due to government propaganda?Everyone knows the first casualty in war is the truth and sometimes this is a good thing which I think was Player's point.Btw if Hitler had invaded we almost certainly would have succumbed to their superior firepower..eventually,thus diverting vital resources from his most valued objective the subjugation/annaihilation of the subhuman Bolshevik Soviets,and the huge Jewish populations in the path.

[mrswdk]

My uncle was a schoolkid in the war and he says nobody to his knowledge thought we (the British) would lose

And did the British lose? No.

I am well aware that Hitler could have overwhelmed the UK in an invasion. Hence my point that British morale didn't make the slightest bit of difference - what mattered was that Hitler didn't invade, for whatever reason.

[chang50]

My uncle was a schoolkid in the war and he says nobody to his knowledge thought we (the British) would lose

And did the British lose? No.

I am well aware that Hitler could have overwhelmed the UK in an invasion. Hence my point that British morale didn't make the slightest bit of difference - what mattered was that Hitler didn't invade, for whatever reason.

So wartime propaganda is a complete waste of time and money?

[mrswdk]

What do posters that say 'Careless talk costs lives' have to do with all this talk of leaders who like lying?

[PLAYER57832]

today's generation, despite access to all kinds of information, is less inclined even than prior generations to take the time to research, listen and truly understand complex points

Says who? You?

[/quote]
No, says just about any major university today, a good many corporate recruiters... a lot of people who deal with younger adults who, even when quite smart, just seem to think a few sentences is enough to understand any subject.

[mrswdk]

No, says just about any major university today, a good many corporate recruiters... a lot of people who deal with younger adults who, even when quite smart, just seem to think a few sentences is enough to understand any subject

Should be easy enough for you to provide some references and prove that you've actually done some background research on this issue then.

[chang50]

today's generation, despite access to all kinds of information, is less inclined even than prior generations to take the time to research, listen and truly understand complex points

Says who? You?

No, says just about any major university today, a good many corporate recruiters... a lot of people who deal with younger adults who, even when quite smart, just seem to think a few sentences is enough to understand any subject.[/quote]

Or is this the nature of every younger generation to imagine their superficial understanding/knowledge not yet broadened by life experience is much deeper than it really is.Certainly true in my case,I cringe when I remember how sure I was as a young adult with black and white answers for problems that were more complex and nuanced than I could grasp.

[mrswdk]

So the 'younger generation', which you two are so heavily patronizing, are under-informed and think they know everything? Sounds more like a description of the 'older generation' if you ask me - farts who have been out of education for so long that they've forgotten how to think critically, instead just regurgitating whatever their favorite talking head is saying because they're too tired and set in their ways to change tack now.

Or am I stereotyping?

[chang50]

So the 'younger generation', which you two are so heavily patronizing, are under-informed and think they know everything? Sounds more like a description of the 'older generation' if you ask me - farts who have been out of education for so long that they've forgotten how to think critically, instead just regurgitating whatever their favorite talking head is saying because they're too tired and set in their ways to change tack now.

Or am I stereotyping?

You tell me..it appears no-one can tell you anything.