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Re: American English vs English

Postby Symmetry on Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:30 am

chang50 wrote:
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chang50 wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
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mrswdk wrote:What's up with Canadian English? The kids here who've learnt from Canadian-written curricula use the British spellings (e.g. colour) but use American words (e.g. candy) and speak with American accents. Did British and American English have sex and 9 months later there was Canadian English?


Language is fluid,there's nothing more comical than hearing young Brits aping the speech of fashionable black American rappers..


I'm not sure what you mean. Why "black" American rappers? Why suggest that rap is alien to British people?

Why use the word "aping"?

What were your assumptions going into this thread?


Aping as in copying,rap culture originated in black American culture to the best of my understanding,I find it comical (and you are free not to) when people a long way divorced from that indulge in such aping.Just an opinion.nothing sinister.
If you are implying there were racist undertones in my post you are wrong.


I apologise, you clearly never made any reference to race in your post and at no point suggested that you found any ethnic group to be comical if they behaved like another ethnic group and you clearly never employed the term "aping" as a point of comparison between said ethnic groups which you at no point declared to be comical.


I did refer to race obvously but not negatively and I definitely do not find any ethnic group comical.The comparison I made was between cultures primarily.Have you never heard of aping another persons behaviour,as in imitating them?But of course you know all this already you are only interested in taking an innocent personal observation and twisting it to get a reaction.Well done you can be proud of achieving that and not for the first time. =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>


I apologise, you clearly made racial references but at no point did you suggest that the behaviour of a racial group was comical. At no point did you use the word "aping" with regards to African Americans. This should be clear. Any suggestion that I am in any way suggesting that Chang finds it comical to see any ethnic group "ape" African Americans is purely coincidence, and clearly has no relation to his ramblings.
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Re: American English vs English

Postby mrswdk on Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:49 am

What's wrong with kids borrowing the slang they hear in their favorite music? Cultural exchange is everywhere. The Japanese emperor and prime minister wear morning suits to their formal engagements.
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Re: American English vs English

Postby chang50 on Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:59 am

mrswdk wrote:What's wrong with kids borrowing the slang they hear in their favorite music? Cultural exchange is everywhere. The Japanese emperor and prime minister wear morning suits to their formal engagements.


Nothing at all,but I would humbly suggest,I personally,can on occasion find it amusing or even comical on the basis it sounds or looks incongruous.
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Re: American English vs English

Postby Symmetry on Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:05 am

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mrswdk wrote:What's wrong with kids borrowing the slang they hear in their favorite music? Cultural exchange is everywhere. The Japanese emperor and prime minister wear morning suits to their formal engagements.


Nothing at all,but I would humbly suggest,I personally,can on occasion find it amusing or even comical on the basis it sounds or looks incongruous.


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Re: American English vs English

Postby chang50 on Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:24 am

Symmetry wrote:
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mrswdk wrote:What's wrong with kids borrowing the slang they hear in their favorite music? Cultural exchange is everywhere. The Japanese emperor and prime minister wear morning suits to their formal engagements.


Nothing at all,but I would humbly suggest,I personally,can on occasion find it amusing or even comical on the basis it sounds or looks incongruous.


Chang50, you are becoming the Change.


Either you deliberately pretend to misunderstand my points in order to ridicule me,or you really don't understand them and prescribe to them motivations that do not exist implying I am being dishonest.Either way you are giving me a headache,so I've decided to foe you on the basis life is too short to deal with your nonesense.Please reciprocate.
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Re: American English vs English

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:27 am

mrswdk wrote:What's up with Canadian English? The kids here who've learnt from Canadian-written curricula use the British spellings (e.g. colour) but use American words (e.g. candy) and speak with American accents.


When Theodore Roosevelt ordered the recommendations of the Simplified Spelling Board to be adopted throughout the U.S., Harper wasn't yet Prime Minister of Canada (or even born). Ergo, there was no one to implement Roosevelt's orders in the True North Strong and Free.

Symmetry wrote:Why suggest that rap is alien to British people?


Did you not watch the 2006 Eurovision, or what?
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Re: American English vs English

Postby Dukasaur on Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:03 am

mrswdk wrote:What's up with Canadian English? The kids here who've learnt from Canadian-written curricula use the British spellings (e.g. colour) but use American words (e.g. candy) and speak with American accents. Did British and American English have sex and 9 months later there was Canadian English?

Pretty much.

Canadian english is an inconsistent blend of British and American usage. We will often mix British and American usage, even in the same sentence, even when using a derivative of the same word.

My favourite example is this:
British banks print cheques on a chequered-background paper.
American banks print checks on a checkered-background paper.
Canadian banks print cheques on a checkered-background paper.

The balance is becoming unbalanced, though. For a long time we have preserved British spellings in words like "organise" and "travelled", but the default spell-checker that comes with most software uses American spellings, and disgusting words like "organize" and "traveled" are becoming more common. Personally, I am vigilant, and almost always over-ride the spell-check, but many people either through laziness or ignorance let it have its evil way.
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Re: American English vs English

Postby chang50 on Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:46 am

Dukasaur wrote:
mrswdk wrote:What's up with Canadian English? The kids here who've learnt from Canadian-written curricula use the British spellings (e.g. colour) but use American words (e.g. candy) and speak with American accents. Did British and American English have sex and 9 months later there was Canadian English?

Pretty much.

Canadian english is an inconsistent blend of British and American usage. We will often mix British and American usage, even in the same sentence, even when using a derivative of the same word.

My favourite example is this:
British banks print cheques on a chequered-background paper.
American banks print checks on a checkered-background paper.
Canadian banks print cheques on a checkered-background paper.

The balance is becoming unbalanced, though. For a long time we have preserved British spellings in words like "organise" and "travelled", but the default spell-checker that comes with most software uses American spellings, and disgusting words like "organize" and "traveled" are becoming more common. Personally, I am vigilant, and almost always over-ride the spell-check, but many people either through laziness or ignorance let it have its evil way.


Keep up the good work,standards must be maintained.
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Re: American English vs English

Postby _sabotage_ on Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:14 am

Two Canadians and a Brit had a go at me for my pronunciation of the word shown with a long O. They insisted it is the same as the name Sean, but good old Webster knows what's up.

Language is dynamic, it has been said that modern American English (and Quebecois French) are closer to the languages spoken in the home countries 300 years ago than what the home countries speak today. Our American English is more similar to 18th century British English than modern British English is. But Chang is on point, language is fluid and only stubborn pretension gets people up in arms when Shakespeare and Shaw create new words. People like Sym : ).
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Re: American English vs English

Postby notyou2 on Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:46 am

Symmetry wrote:
chang50 wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
chang50 wrote:
mrswdk wrote:What's up with Canadian English? The kids here who've learnt from Canadian-written curricula use the British spellings (e.g. colour) but use American words (e.g. candy) and speak with American accents. Did British and American English have sex and 9 months later there was Canadian English?


Language is fluid,there's nothing more comical than hearing young Brits aping the speech of fashionable black American rappers..


I'm not sure what you mean. Why "black" American rappers? Why suggest that rap is alien to British people?

Why use the word "aping"?

What were your assumptions going into this thread?


Aping as in copying,rap culture originated in black American culture to the best of my understanding,I find it comical (and you are free not to) when people a long way divorced from that indulge in such aping.Just an opinion.nothing sinister.
If you are implying there were racist undertones in my post you are wrong.


I apologise, you clearly never made any reference to race in your post and at no point suggested that you found any ethnic group to be comical if they behaved like another ethnic group and you clearly never employed the term "aping" as a point of comparison between said ethnic groups which you at no point declared to be comical.


I liked you better before when you weren't so hostile.


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Postby 2dimes on Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:56 am

notyou2 wrote:I liked you better before when you weren't so hostile.



I don't remember that. Must have been before there was rap music.
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Postby notyou2 on Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:12 pm

2dimes wrote:
notyou2 wrote:I liked you better before when you weren't so hostile.



I don't remember that. Must have been before there was rap music.



Maybe I just didn't see the hostility, but I believe he was never this blatant.

Can we talk about him like he's not in the room?
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Re: American English vs English

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:17 pm

Aided by the large body of work being created by prolific American composers such as John Philip Sousa, Henry Filmore and Edwin Eugene Bagley, American military and military-like bands became known for performing a unique style of quick-tempo marches with thundering brass and heavy percussion. One music critic, writing about the Boston Jubilee of 1872, contrasted the "velvety smoothness" of the invited Band of the Grenadier Guards to the follow-up performance orchestrated by U.S. Army bandmaster-general Patrick Gilmore which involved "a heterogeneous choir of nearly twenty thousand, an orchestra of about a thousand instrumentalists of decidedly mixed abilities ... an organ blown by steam power ... a drum of the most preposterous magnitude, and a few batteries of artillery."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... _evolution
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Re: American English vs English

Postby notyou2 on Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:24 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
Aided by the large body of work being created by prolific American composers such as John Philip Sousa, Henry Filmore and Edwin Eugene Bagley, American military and military-like bands became known for performing a unique style of quick-tempo marches with thundering brass and heavy percussion. One music critic, writing about the Boston Jubilee of 1872, contrasted the "velvety smoothness" of the invited Band of the Grenadier Guards to the follow-up performance orchestrated by U.S. Army bandmaster-general Patrick Gilmore which involved "a heterogeneous choir of nearly twenty thousand, an orchestra of about a thousand instrumentalists of decidedly mixed abilities ... an organ blown by steam power ... a drum of the most preposterous magnitude, and a few batteries of artillery."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... _evolution


What life lessons are we to draw from this most note worthy post uncle Saxi?
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Re: American English vs English

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:33 pm

notyou2 wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Aided by the large body of work being created by prolific American composers such as John Philip Sousa, Henry Filmore and Edwin Eugene Bagley, American military and military-like bands became known for performing a unique style of quick-tempo marches with thundering brass and heavy percussion. One music critic, writing about the Boston Jubilee of 1872, contrasted the "velvety smoothness" of the invited Band of the Grenadier Guards to the follow-up performance orchestrated by U.S. Army bandmaster-general Patrick Gilmore which involved "a heterogeneous choir of nearly twenty thousand, an orchestra of about a thousand instrumentalists of decidedly mixed abilities ... an organ blown by steam power ... a drum of the most preposterous magnitude, and a few batteries of artillery."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... _evolution


What life lessons are we to draw from this most note worthy post uncle Saxi?


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Re: American English vs English

Postby notyou2 on Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:43 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
notyou2 wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Aided by the large body of work being created by prolific American composers such as John Philip Sousa, Henry Filmore and Edwin Eugene Bagley, American military and military-like bands became known for performing a unique style of quick-tempo marches with thundering brass and heavy percussion. One music critic, writing about the Boston Jubilee of 1872, contrasted the "velvety smoothness" of the invited Band of the Grenadier Guards to the follow-up performance orchestrated by U.S. Army bandmaster-general Patrick Gilmore which involved "a heterogeneous choir of nearly twenty thousand, an orchestra of about a thousand instrumentalists of decidedly mixed abilities ... an organ blown by steam power ... a drum of the most preposterous magnitude, and a few batteries of artillery."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... _evolution


What life lessons are we to draw from this most note worthy post uncle Saxi?


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Re: American English vs English

Postby Trevor33 on Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:58 pm

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Re: American English vs English

Postby AslanTheKing on Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:20 pm

try to learn german , u would be surprised about spelling
horse means pfejard ( pronounciation)
but its written
Pferd
kids , write it like this
ferd ( not ferd like bird - ferd like fejard)
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Listen as the crowd would sing:

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Re: American English vs English

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:46 pm

DO YOU CALL THIS:
A - GARDEN
B - YARD
C - METER
D - FLUKENZERTORDORSENHOFFENMEIERSCHTELZER DER BLUME*

* Aslan

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DO YOU CALL THIS:
A - GARDEN
B - YARD
C - METER
D - FLUKENZERTORDORSENHOFFENMEIERSCHTELZER DER BLUME*

* Aslan

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Postby 2dimes on Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:12 pm

Why didn't you post a picture of a garden?
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Re: American English vs English

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:02 am

Right, then how about SCHEME.

EXAMPLE
"I'm participating in the Duke of Edinburgh awards scheme."

WHAT IS HAPPENING?
A: The Duke of Edinburgh is going to cheat you out of an award.
B: The Duke of Edinburgh is going to give you an award.
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Re: American English vs English

Postby notyou2 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:45 am

saxitoxin wrote:Right, then how about SCHEME.

EXAMPLE
"I'm participating in the Duke of Edinburgh awards scheme."

WHAT IS HAPPENING?
A: The Duke of Edinburgh is going to cheat you out of an award.
B: The Duke of Edinburgh is going to give you an award.


It means both.
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Re: American English vs English

Postby mrswdk on Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:12 pm

Maybe you and the Duke of Edinburgh are going to collaborate to cheat a third party out of their award.
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Re: American English vs English

Postby Serbia on Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:08 pm

saxitoxin wrote:f*ck it, like I care, I'm dating a model


FOR THE LAST TIME, WE ARE NOT DATING. :x




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Re: American English vs English

Postby Baron Von PWN on Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:22 am

saxitoxin wrote:Don't they use math in Canada, too?

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