This why the U.S needs to get rid of guns.

[chang50]

It has nothing to do with opinion. Where you have ''no'' rights...you have no business.
Let me try another way.
Where you have no rights..you have no business in our rights.

And another:Where you have no rights (in our rights of the constitution)..you have no business in our rights (of the Constitution).

Even the 50 states have no business interpreting or manipulating or taking away our rights.
It is our business to embrace our rights if we so chose, it is not any of your business to subdue our rights.
Has nothing to do with Opinions.

So why put in this in a forum where all anybody has is their opinions,certainly no power to subdue anything much less your much vaunted 'rights'?
Are Americans similiarly disqualified from subduing the rights of people from other countries?
Why not let everyone discuss everything with as little restriction as possible?

[Gweeedo]

How come 'the right to bear arms' is only ever applied to guns? Why is it deemed to be a constitutional right to own an assault rifle or carry a gun under your jacket but not to carry a swordstick/brass knuckles or booby-trap your private land with mines?

You need a license to carry a concealed weapon.
Swardstick/brass knuckles are not really a defensive weapon (not meant for killing ), boobytrap and land mines would be considered unfair (Honor):lol:
Even though there are some people who think they have the right to use such methods.

Growing up in Alaska I had a friend get decapitated riding his Sno-Machine across some guys land..
Apparently the owner of the property was upset with the Sno-machiners cutting across his property.
So he ran Barbwire across the trail, my friend Frank was riding along(at 60mph) the trail and he did not see it..wham!
Land owner was put away for a long time.
Same with Firewood.
You notice your firewood missing, drill a hole in a firelog put a stick of Dynamite in da hole, plug it up and wait For one of your neighbors house to blow up!
I remember one guy did that and forgot he had put dynamite in a few logs...a year later he used one of those logs, putit in the fire place and KABOOM!

[PLAYER57832]

/quote]The real problem is outlawing guns does nothing to stop people from obaining violant killing instruments.

It kind of does, no? It makes it illegal to purchase types of them.

Not when you can buy far more destructive bomb components almost anywhere.

I disagree with your logic on this, but I think we're arguing different points. Clearly outlawing guns does something to stop people from obtaining violent killing instruments. That bomb making components are available does not change that.

We are talking different points.. but that IS my point.

Guns are about far more than violance, just as household chemicals are about more than poisoning people. The issue is not the instrument, it is the people using them.

Also, it really does seem to me that where guns are outlawed, you see more bombs. I am not sure that is a great trade-off.

[PLAYER57832]

It has nothing to do with opinion. Where you have ''no'' rights...you have no business.
Let me try another way.
Where you have no rights..you have no business in our rights.

And another:Where you have no rights (in our rights of the constitution)..you have no business in our rights (of the Constitution).

Even the 50 states have no business interpreting or manipulating or taking away our rights.
It is our business to embrace our rights if we so chose, it is not any of your business to subdue our rights.
Has nothing to do with Opinions.

So why put in this in a forum where all anybody has is their opinions,certainly no power to subdue anything much less your much vaunted 'rights'?
Are Americans similiarly disqualified from subduing the rights of people from other countries?
Why not let everyone discuss everything with as little restriction as possible?

Yeah, this is an open, public forum... opinions from anyone are welcome, though "welcome"doesn't mean we have to agree.

A lot of non-Americans feel free to criticize the US, because it is such a big a pervasive nation in the world right now. That's OK, except a lot of that criticism comes with only the mnost superficial understanding of the US. And, well.. there is a difference between voicing an opinion and demanding that your opinion is fact.

Science is about facts. History can be either fact or opinion. Politics, religion, even economics are mostly opinion.

[Gweeedo]

Maybe some of you are taking it out of Context (the mind your own business thingy).
I could care less.
Opinion: is a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
Our rights are Certain, assured fact.
Americans take this very seriously. It is our Business (to apply oneself to serious matters).
How is an outsider (non-American) going to take it seriously (as we do).
The constitution is outdated (that is your Opinion, not fact)...that is for us to decide, it is really none of your business.
America is more than Qualified to subduing the rights of people from other countries.
And I am sure we have.
I think America is friendly enough...all depends if we like you.
No worries we will protect you.
Same thing we have been doing for decades.
Of course we will protect our interest.

''This is why America need to get rid of guns''
Not a serious discussion if you are going to focus on the constitution as being outdated and ridiculing bad Grammar, spelling.
It is a waist of time and energy.

I think a better example would be the mass Shootings. People going into Schools, offices and trying to kill as many people as they can.
Trying to top the last guy in kills.

The news should stop Broadcasting such things. Then nobody would have such Idea's or enabling them to be immortalized.
CSI and even the reality shows (First 48), should cut back. How many Idea's of Murder and killings arise from those TV shows.

The thumbprint Idea is probably the best solution...maybe along with Computerized ammo?

[thegreekdog]

I have not seen evidence that making a thing illegal reduces the supply sufficiently for criminals to not have access

That doesn't mean you can't greatly reduce the supply, thereby greatly reducing access (e.g. the situation with guns in many other countries).

I think I would like to see numbers of guns in other countries prior to such countries' initiations of gun control laws before I make that determination. There are hundreds of millions of guns in the United States and there appears to continue to be a high demand.

[thegreekdog]

/quote]The real problem is outlawing guns does nothing to stop people from obaining violant killing instruments.

It kind of does, no? It makes it illegal to purchase types of them.

Not when you can buy far more destructive bomb components almost anywhere.

Clearly outlawing guns does something to stop people from obtaining violent killing instruments.

Really? What does it do exactly?

[chang50]

It has nothing to do with opinion. Where you have ''no'' rights...you have no business.
Let me try another way.
Where you have no rights..you have no business in our rights.

And another:Where you have no rights (in our rights of the constitution)..you have no business in our rights (of the Constitution).

Even the 50 states have no business interpreting or manipulating or taking away our rights.
It is our business to embrace our rights if we so chose, it is not any of your business to subdue our rights.
Has nothing to do with Opinions.

So why put in this in a forum where all anybody has is their opinions,certainly no power to subdue anything much less your much vaunted 'rights'?
Are Americans similiarly disqualified from subduing the rights of people from other countries?
Why not let everyone discuss everything with as little restriction as possible?

Yeah, this is an open, public forum... opinions from anyone are welcome, though "welcome"doesn't mean we have to agree.

A lot of non-Americans feel free to criticize the US, because it is such a big a pervasive nation in the world right now. That's OK, except a lot of that criticism comes with only the mnost superficial understanding of the US. And, well.. there is a difference between voicing an opinion and demanding that your opinion is fact.

Science is about facts. History can be either fact or opinion. Politics, religion, even economics are mostly opinion.

Who said anyone has to agree with anyone else or demanded their opinion was fact?I am the one who wants as little restriction as possible.If we non-Americans don't understand the US,then educate us,and maybe show a little interest in the rest of the world at the same time.

[Metsfanmax]

How come 'the right to bear arms' is only ever applied to guns? Why is it deemed to be a constitutional right to own an assault rifle or carry a gun under your jacket but not to carry a swordstick/brass knuckles or booby-trap your private land with mines?

I agree. Perhaps we need a "Repeal Mine-Free School Zones" thread.

[mrswdk]

Guns are about far more than violance

Are they? What applications does an assault rifle have, other than violence? Opening multiple bottles of beer in rapid succession?

Also, it really does seem to me that where guns are outlawed, you see more bombs

What's up with you and these sorts of statements? What basis do you have for this claim?

[Agent 86]

I'm free to have my opinion on what ever discussion takes place and I will.

Interesting report from here in China, as per discussion on Bombs.

AN EXPLOSION on Monday at an illegal gambling hall in a village in southern China killed 14 people and injured seven others, state media report.

The blast struck at around 2.30 pm (4.30pm AEST) outside the city of Kaili in the poor southern province of Guizhou, the official People's Daily newspaper and Xinhua News Agency said. While the cause of the explosion officially remains under investigation, police believe it was set deliberately and are treating the incident as a crime, People's Daily said.

Gambling is illegal in China and such operations are mostly connected to organised crime. Guns are strictly controlled, making homemade bombs the weapon of choice.

Blasts are also sometimes caused by the illegal or unsafe storage of fireworks, demand for which spikes in the run-up to the Lunar New Year that falls this year on January 31.

China has sought in recent years to tighten controls over gunpowder and other potential bomb-making products.

Still advocate the dissolution of guns in the U.S

[mrswdk]

Bombs in China are such weak sauce. I get the impression most are detonated just to make a point rather than to create mass carnage. There was that guy in Beijing Airport last summer who set off a bomb in his wheelchair that didn't even do much damage to him, let alone anyone else.

The real nutters seem to use knives for their rampages (or, if they have access, a squadron of PLA tanks).

[Gweeedo]

chang50 wrote: Who said anyone has to agree with anyone else or demanded their opinion was fact?

I believe it was you.

The Constitution is America (Americans).
Think of it as, The constitution in the flesh.
I do not have an opinion of the Constitution...I am the embodiment.

When a person Speaks of the Constitution as being outdated...it is none of his business due to the fact that, that person does not apply himself to the matter (to bring into action; use; employ).

None of your business is simply telling a person that his Opinions have no place in that (constitution) subject matter...when talking to the Embodiment of that same subject matter.
Sure you can have your opinion, but why tell us.
None of your business if simply saying Shut it.
No need for anybody to take offense.
We know all about the Constitution, we live it (for the most part ).
If you want to learn, listen.
Or you (not you specifically) can continue yammering on about Nothing.

The Constitution is Irrelevant (for you in this subject matter)...leave it alone.
Now See If there is another way to fix this problem with out taking our guns away.

It was stated ''None of your business''...Does not mean you can't Express your Opinion...just saying maybe you shouldn't speak your ''opinion'' about the Constitution, when talking to Americans.
It is not our Opinion it is our Life (belief).

[codeblue1018]

Guns do not kill, people do! Guns are merely a "tool" to accomplish the goal of a person that has an apparent mental disease or defect. Perhaps we should be talking about better mental health treatment and/or detection in attempts to circumvent a potential tragedy? I am all for people owning guns with the intent that such person had the appropriate screening / background check to own such. The banning of firearms, which will never happen isn't the answer; the root cause of violence IMO is deranged people that would still accomplish their goal even if firearms didn't exist or are banned.

[KoolBak]

I advocate the dissolution of Chopsticks in China!!!

http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20110415-273904.html

[PLAYER57832]

It has nothing to do with opinion. Where you have ''no'' rights...you have no business.
Let me try another way.
Where you have no rights..you have no business in our rights.

And another:Where you have no rights (in our rights of the constitution)..you have no business in our rights (of the Constitution).

Even the 50 states have no business interpreting or manipulating or taking away our rights.
It is our business to embrace our rights if we so chose, it is not any of your business to subdue our rights.
Has nothing to do with Opinions.

So why put in this in a forum where all anybody has is their opinions,certainly no power to subdue anything much less your much vaunted 'rights'?
Are Americans similiarly disqualified from subduing the rights of people from other countries?
Why not let everyone discuss everything with as little restriction as possible?

Yeah, this is an open, public forum... opinions from anyone are welcome, though "welcome"doesn't mean we have to agree.

A lot of non-Americans feel free to criticize the US, because it is such a big a pervasive nation in the world right now. That's OK, except a lot of that criticism comes with only the mnost superficial understanding of the US. And, well.. there is a difference between voicing an opinion and demanding that your opinion is fact.

Science is about facts. History can be either fact or opinion. Politics, religion, even economics are mostly opinion.

Who said anyone has to agree with anyone else or demanded their opinion was fact?I am the one who wants as little restriction as possible.If we non-Americans don't understand the US,then educate us,and maybe show a little interest in the rest of the world at the same time.

Eh.. I show interest in other countries, have lived elsewhere.

Everyone is entitled to opinions, and I am certainly not shy about sharing mine (on some subjects) or in correcting mis-stated facts when I am aware of them.

This bit about "shut up' or "you have no right to talk about the US" is wrong, which is what I said. In other words, I was basically agreeing with you, though perhaps suggesting civility all around.

[demonfork]

/quote]The real problem is outlawing guns does nothing to stop people from obaining violant killing instruments.

It kind of does, no? It makes it illegal to purchase types of them.

Not when you can buy far more destructive bomb components almost anywhere.

I disagree with your logic on this, but I think we're arguing different points. Clearly outlawing guns does something to stop people from obtaining violent killing instruments. That bomb making components are available does not change that.

Clearly?

It will clearly stop law abiding citizens form obtaining them. (ya know the ones that aren't criminals, don't gang bang or shoot up schools, malls and movie theatres)

It CLEARLY won't stop anyone who doesn't care about laws. (ya know the criminals, gang bangers, and psychos that shoot up schools, malls & movie theatres).

What makes you think a gun ban will prevent a criminal from obtaining a gun?

Did you read my prior post about how easy it is to make a gun?

Do you have any clue about how easy it is to make a gun?

Do you think a criminal will give a shit about a law that says that he cant have a gun?

[Phatscotty]

Just stupid, why is this politician even a politician???

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-amer ... 6797948780

Worry about your own country. Our rights are none of your business.

As if you and other Americans restrict their comments only to their own country.You had shitloads to say about the Breivik shootings in Norway (not USA) remember?As well as being unenforceable such self censorship would result in an extremely boring INTERNATIONAL forum.Someone from a small country like Andorra or San Marino where relatively little happens of great importance would effectively be prohibited from posting.You see this is not America's planet and bullies don't get to make all the rules.

No, actually I don't remember that. It's your mis-assumption, and anything I said was mostly asking others and listening.

He doesn't live in America, he doesn't know America. He can say whatever he wants, but it sounds just as stupid as me telling the Mongolians their way of live is outdated and they should change their entire history and culture and heritage.

[Gweeedo]

I think the Royal Family should be done away with...English monarchy is defiantly out dated.
It is of no use..a liability.

This could' be considered an Opinion to many people. But to a Britt it most likely would be considered ''None of my Business'' (being an Opinion outside the UK).

You might even ask what does the English have to do with The Second amendment or Constitution...Correlation between the Constitution and the English monarchy can be made.

[Phatscotty]

I'm free to have my opinion on what ever discussion takes place and I will.

Of course.

We're just saying it's stupid.

You could save face, and tell us how just how one would go about "getting rid of all the guns in the US"

[Metsfanmax]

It will clearly stop law abiding citizens form obtaining them. (ya know the ones that aren't criminals, don't gang bang or shoot up schools, malls and movie theatres)

It CLEARLY won't stop anyone who doesn't care about laws. (ya know the criminals, gang bangers, and psychos that shoot up schools, malls & movie theatres).

What makes you think a gun ban will prevent a criminal from obtaining a gun?

Did you read my prior post about how easy it is to make a gun?

Do you have any clue about how easy it is to make a gun?

Do you think a criminal will give a shit about a law that says that he cant have a gun?

What exactly does it mean to you for someone to "care about" laws? In other words, I know there are plenty of otherwise law-abiding citizens who would illegally obtain a gun for the purpose of self-defense. So no, it won't "clearly stop law abiding citizens from obtaining them." Hell, I know someone who said he would bury his assault rifles in his backyard in the event that they became illegal.

[chang50]

I think the Royal Family should be done away with...English monarchy is defiantly out dated.
It is of no use..a liability.

This could' be considered an Opinion to many people. But to a Britt it most likely would be considered ''None of my Business'' (being an Opinion outside the UK).

You might even ask what does the English have to do with The Second amendment or Constitution...Correlation between the Constitution and the English monarchy can be made.

This is where you are wrong my friend, in my experience very few Brits would say that,they might disagree with your opinion but mostly they wouldn't want to shut you up.Americans make a great deal about being the 'land of the free',but your posts (and maybe they are not representative of your countrymen) want to restrict freedom of expression at least for foreigners.Thing is we all share this small planet and we should be promoting true freedom of expression not the stunted nationalistic version you appear to espouse.

[Gweeedo]

Banning guns is not an option.
Think of another way.

maybe getting a little tricky...might be a way to circumvent the Constitution.
Outlawing Ammo?

[Metsfanmax]

Banning guns is not an option.
Think of another way.

maybe getting a little tricky...might be a way to circumvent the Constitution.
Outlawing Ammo?

Legally it would never stand, as it would nullify the ability to meaningfully "bear arms." Practically speaking, it's a silly idea, because ammunition is much easier to produce than guns and so a ban would never really take.

[Phatscotty]

I think a lot of people get their self gratification in ripping the USA. It's their way of sticking their nose in the air and saying "We are better than you" I just don't know why they care about another country other than their own so much.