Globalism

[thegreekdog]

How can you enforce culture? Even if you outlaw certain cultural practices, you can't force people to think differently. All you'll do is drive certain subcultures underground.

Within a few generations you can probably force people to think differently on pain of death or something like that.

And yes, I'm trying to think of examples and can't.

[thegreekdog]

How are you defining globalism?

If you're not going to contribute to the discussion, please refrain from posting. At least if you're going to make the suggestion for a separate subforum...

gimpin really aint easy! See how ya are?

For anyone else to doesn't know what that is or what it means, globalism is the New World Order. The New World Order is globalism. Total world domination is within reach.

and ya know what else? Your post is only genuine if you honestly believe that the new world order has nothing to do with globalism, or that globalism has nothing to do with the new world order. Is that what you honestly believe GreekDog? Or are you dragging every other topic you disagree with in the past 4 years into every post I make about any thing today?

This is the last I'll type on this matter in this thread - posting a picture of a pyramid with an eye is not contributing to intellectual conversation. If you think it is, then you're an idiot. If you agree that it's not, then you're a hypocrit. You can pick which one.

[mrswdk]

You can force people to change their behavior on pain of death, but you can't force them to change their values or beliefs.

The USSR had about 70 years to force its citizens into becoming good little communists, but the second Gorbachev said 'okay, we won't crush you with tanks' people started complaining and the USSR fell apart.

[thegreekdog]

You can force people to change their behavior on pain of death, but you can't force them to change their values or beliefs.

The USSR had about 70 years to force its citizens into becoming good little communists, but the second Gorbachev said 'okay, we won't crush you with tanks' people started complaining and the USSR fell apart.

Yeah, but we're talking on a global basis. Gorbachev and the rest had other people supporting them, even tacitly. If you have a global dictator, I think he/she could enforce a certain culture.

[BigBallinStalin]

I'd love globalism if it was a [transparent] technology exchange, but shipping low value products 1000's of miles because vertically integrated uber-brands have a firm hold on our culture seems a bit daft*

* note: BBS I am not against vertically integrated uber-brands in themselves, but the stranglehold they have on our culture - which is primarily an issue with, well, us

"Yeah, people buy stuff I don't like. What a bunch of morons."

[BigBallinStalin]

A market seen as a self regulating mechanism tending toward domination of supply and demand. Thus securing the most efficient allocation of resources. But it is hard to interpret globalism because everyone ideological and political views are different.

Um...

1. in what sense does "a market" "dominate" supply and demand (of what?)?

2. what role do governments and cultures play in "globalism"? If they do play a role, how do you separate their effects from the effects of "a market"?

[BigBallinStalin]

You can force people to change their behavior on pain of death, but you can't force them to change their values or beliefs.

The USSR had about 70 years to force its citizens into becoming good little communists, but the second Gorbachev said 'okay, we won't crush you with tanks' people started complaining and the USSR fell apart.

Well, applied socialism + military had a huge impact on their values and beliefs. It distorted markets (since they emerged in black markets), and when the Soviet Curtain is lifted, now what? "Do markets!" How? Like black markets? "No, legit markets." Huh?

[Phatscotty]

How are you defining globalism?

If you're not going to contribute to the discussion, please refrain from posting. At least if you're going to make the suggestion for a separate subforum...

gimpin really aint easy! See how ya are?

For anyone else to doesn't know what that is or what it means, globalism is the New World Order. The New World Order is globalism. Total world domination is within reach.

and ya know what else? Your post is only genuine if you honestly believe that the new world order has nothing to do with globalism, or that globalism has nothing to do with the new world order. Is that what you honestly believe GreekDog? Or are you dragging every other topic you disagree with in the past 4 years into every post I make about any thing today?

This is the last I'll type on this matter in this thread - posting a picture of a pyramid with an eye is not contributing to intellectual conversation. If you think it is, then you're an idiot. If you agree that it's not, then you're a hypocrit. You can pick which one.

I think it's a symbol. Symbols have meaning. That's how I chose to introduce the concept into the discussion. And you are doing a great job of becoming the problem that you say would be the problem if the forums were split. Way to handle it.

[BigBallinStalin]

I laud Phatscotty's effort to create a new forum where he can freely post images to himself, so he can ponder their meaning.

[Phatscotty]

I laud Phatscotty's effort to create a new forum where he can freely post images to himself, so he can ponder their meaning.

You wouldn't be able to stay away for long. I would make the first topic an announcement sharing my website I have been running for a few years. But you probably wouldn't want to look at that. I'd just keep looking at it all by myself, wondering if anyone else was looking at it the exact same time...

I honestly do regret this convo has nothing to do with globalism. Sorry Monger

[mrswdk]

You can force people to change their behavior on pain of death, but you can't force them to change their values or beliefs.

The USSR had about 70 years to force its citizens into becoming good little communists, but the second Gorbachev said 'okay, we won't crush you with tanks' people started complaining and the USSR fell apart.

Well, applied socialism + military had a huge impact on their values and beliefs. It distorted markets (since they emerged in black markets), and when the Soviet Curtain is lifted, now what? "Do markets!" How? Like black markets? "No, legit markets." Huh?

It undoubtedly had an enormous impact, but that's still a change in behavior rather than a change in beliefs. Why else would people ditch the socialist system the instant they were given the opportunity, if all the enforced socialism had succeeded in making them support socialism?

[mrswdk]

You can force people to change their behavior on pain of death, but you can't force them to change their values or beliefs.

The USSR had about 70 years to force its citizens into becoming good little communists, but the second Gorbachev said 'okay, we won't crush you with tanks' people started complaining and the USSR fell apart.

Yeah, but we're talking on a global basis. Gorbachev and the rest had other people supporting them, even tacitly. If you have a global dictator, I think he/she could enforce a certain culture.

Gorbachev wanted to maintain socialism and the USSR, he just wanted to be a bit less authoritarian about it.

[thegreekdog]

You can force people to change their behavior on pain of death, but you can't force them to change their values or beliefs.

The USSR had about 70 years to force its citizens into becoming good little communists, but the second Gorbachev said 'okay, we won't crush you with tanks' people started complaining and the USSR fell apart.

Yeah, but we're talking on a global basis. Gorbachev and the rest had other people supporting them, even tacitly. If you have a global dictator, I think he/she could enforce a certain culture.

Gorbachev wanted to maintain socialism and the USSR, he just wanted to be a bit less authoritarian about it.

Obviously I'm typing in hypotheticals, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that a powerful world-governing dictator would be able to enforce a certain culture over a period of a few generations given the right level of sticks and carrots.

[notyou2]

I laud Phatscotty's effort to create a new forum where he can freely post images to himself, so he can ponder their meaning.

You wouldn't be able to stay away for long. I would make the first topic an announcement sharing my website I have been running for a few years. But you probably wouldn't want to look at that. I'd just keep looking at it all by myself, wondering if anyone else was looking at it the exact same time...

I honestly do regret this convo has nothing to do with globalism. Sorry Monger

I googled Phatscotty's website and if I post a link to the site that comes up, I will be banned.

[BigBallinStalin]

You can force people to change their behavior on pain of death, but you can't force them to change their values or beliefs.

The USSR had about 70 years to force its citizens into becoming good little communists, but the second Gorbachev said 'okay, we won't crush you with tanks' people started complaining and the USSR fell apart.

Well, applied socialism + military had a huge impact on their values and beliefs. It distorted markets (since they emerged in black markets), and when the Soviet Curtain is lifted, now what? "Do markets!" How? Like black markets? "No, legit markets." Huh?

It undoubtedly had an enormous impact, but that's still a change in behavior rather than a change in beliefs. Why else would people ditch the socialist system the instant they were given the opportunity, if all the enforced socialism had succeeded in making them support socialism?

. There was that belief in a liberal order through which people interacted in market exchanges, but that project for about 70 years was distorted, so we get a corrupted belief in markets and a liberal order (e.g. lots of people in Russia like their dictators; many believe in a somewhat subdued version of socialism; and the corrupted belief has led to perverse beliefs about markets). The beliefs/values have been changed.

Granted, in my opinion (1) nearly everyone wants to be free from the coercive control of others, so I agree that that value won't go away. Nevertheless, the more subtle belief, which stems from a vision of a liberal order, is (2) the absence of a desire to exert coercive control over others. I think the USSR rightly messed that up as do most democratic governments, which undoubtedly have changed people's beliefs away from (2).