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Piece on John Stewart

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:42 pm

The Destroyer Cometh

Here is a selection of recent headlines: ā€œJon Stewart Destroys Megyn Kelly,ā€ ā€œJon Stewart Destroys Fox News’ ā€˜Spite-Driven Anger Machine,ā€™ā€ ā€œJon Stewart Destroys What’s Left of Peggy Noonan’s Credibility,ā€ ā€œJon Stewart Destroys Fox News Over Syria Coverage,ā€ ā€œJon Stewart Destroys Glenn Beck’s Utopia,ā€ ā€œJon Stewart Destroys Bill O’Reillyā€ — there are about 520,000 more — and, not to be missed, ā€œJon Stewart Destroys Chicago-Style Pizza.ā€

The sound of terrors is in his ears at 11 p.m. on Comedy Central, and in prosperity the destroyer cometh upon him.

Mr. Stewart is the host of a fake news show, the genesis of which probably was a conversation that went approximately like this: Brother-in-Law: ā€œThere’s nothing funny on Saturday Night Live except the ā€˜Weekend Update.’ They should really just do that for the whole show.ā€ Jon Stewart: ā€œHey . . . !ā€ Mr. Stewart is among the lowest forms of intellectual parasite in the political universe, with no particular insights or interesting ideas of his own, reliant upon the very broadest and least clever sort of humor, using ancient editing techniques to make clumsy or silly political statements sound worse than they are and then pantomiming outrage at the results, the lowbrow version of James Joyce giving the hero of Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man the unlikely name of Stephen Dedalus and then having other characters in the novel muse upon the unlikelihood of that name. His shtick is a fundamentally cowardly one, playing the sanctimonious vox populi when it suits him, and then beating retreat into ā€œHey, I’m just a comedian!ā€ when he faces a serious challenge. It is the sort of thing that you can see appealing to bright, politically engaged 17-year-olds.

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His audience is not made up of bright, politically engaged 17-year-olds. But Mr. Stewart has pulled off a pretty neat trick: He has, as the half-million or so headlines mentioned above indicate, made fake news into real news, and it is not an accident that the verb ā€œdestroysā€ so often follows his name. Mr. Stewart is the leading voice of the half-bright Left because he is a master practitioner of the art of half-bright vitriolic denunciation. His intellectual biography is that of a consummate lightweight — a William and Mary frat boy who majored in psychology, which must have been a disappointment to his father, a professor of physics — and his comedy career has been strictly by-the-numbers, from the early days on the New York City comedy-club scene to changing his name (Mr. Stewart began life as Mr. Leibowitz) and a career-boosting stint on MTV, where he was second only to Beavis and Butt-Head in the ratings. He subsequently may have matched Beavis and Butt-Head’s popularity, but he has never risen to comparable heights of social insight.
The thing is, people actually get their news from his show. Fans, many of whom cannot quite spell his name, swear that the program is ā€œmore accurate than any other news show.ā€ Ignore, for the moment, the judgment exhibited in that quotation and focus on the word ā€œother.ā€ In the minds of many of his admirers — and in the minds of those news-site editors who report on Mr. Stewart’s fake news as part of the real news — there is no substantive difference between what Mr. Stewart does and what, e.g., Ezra Klein does (ā€œEzra Klein Destroys Romney,ā€ ā€œEzra Klein Destroys David Brooks,ā€ ā€œEzra Klein Destroys Republican Opposition to Temporary Payroll Tax Cut,ā€ etc.) because for the Left the point of journalism is not to criticize politics or to analyze politics but to be a servant of politics, to ā€œdestroyā€ such political targets as may be found in one’s crosshairs. For the Left, the maker of comedy and the maker of graphs perform the same function. It does not matter who does the ā€œdestroying,ā€ so long as it gets done.

ā€œDestroyingā€ is more of an aspiration than a reality, of course. If Megyn Kelly has been destroyed by anybody, she is not showing any sign of it. What it communicates is the Left’s politics of vilification, a longstanding preference that has recently become extremely pronounced, substituting a good-guys-and-bad-guys narrative for the discussion of complex ideas. Mr. Klein, for all his empiricist posturing, is very much a practitioner of that shallow art — writing, among other things, that a Democratic opponent of the Affordable Care Act was ā€œwilling to cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people in order to settle an old electoral score.ā€ (Shockingly, I was unable to locate a headline reading: ā€œEzra Klein Destroys Joe Lieberman.ā€)

Senator Reid’s recent obsession with denouncing Charles and David Koch from his congressional perch is of a piece with that: Never mind the merits of the things the Kochs endorse politically — from liberalizing energy markets to gay marriage — they are a handy bogeyman. And, given the politics of the situation, Senator Reid surely would prefer to talk about the Koch brothers’ allegedly nefarious plans for world domination (the great ā€œlibertarian conspiracy to take over the world and leave you the hell aloneā€) than about Democrats’ recent meandering energy policies, which would hold hostage U.S. producers in order to appease the Birkenstocks-and-white-boy-dreadlocks set.

The Koch brothers are patrons of Big Ideas, interested in the institutions of a free society and what makes them work. Say what you like about the organizations they donate to — Cato, Mercatus, the Institute for Humane Studies (my employer for about a year) — they are oriented toward ideas. I do not expect any Mercatus scholar to host a highly rated cable comedy show in the near future, not even the telegenic Veronique de Rugy.

I do not much blame the Left for hesitating to talk about Big Ideas. The Left has been losing the Big Idea debate for a generation or more, in no small part because its last Big Idea killed 100 million people, give or take, and not in Mr. Klein’s projecting-abstractly-from-a-CBO-study way but in the concentration-camps-and-hunger-terror way. Marxism was the Left’s Big Idea for the better part of a century, and its collapse — which was moral, economic, political, and complete — left a howling void in the Left’s intellectual universe. Nothing has quite managed to fill it: In the immediate wake of the collapse of Communism, the anticapitalists sought shelter in a variety of movements, few of which grew to be of any real consequence, with the exception of the environmentalist movement. But the lenten self-mortification implied by a consistent environmentalist ethic has limited that movement’s appeal as a governing philosophy and an individual ethic both, hence its fragmentation into a motley sprawl of mini-crusades. It is easy to be anti-fracking when that does not require you to give up anything, easy to oppose the expansion of the Keystone pipeline network when you can be confident that the gas pumps in your hometown will always be full, easy for well-off Whole Foods shoppers to abominate varieties of grain that are possessed by evil spirits or cooties or whatever it is this week.

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The intellectual decline of the Left has been something to see. I am reminded of a joke that P. J. O’Rourke once made about my hometown: ā€œThere’s also a whiff of highbrow in Siberia. For a hick town, Irkutsk had too many opera houses, theaters, museums, and academic institutes. This is because, for hundreds of years, the smarty-pants reformers, annoying idealists, and know-it-all do-gooders were sent here for life. It’s as though everyone who voted for George McGovern was packed off to Lubbock, Texas.ā€ You could not make the same joke about Obama voters or Occupiers — or, especially, about Jon Stewart’s audience — because nobody expects any of them to start an opera house or an academic institute. They are busy watching an ersatz Beavis and Butt-Head for psychology majors who enjoy having their modest intellects flattered and their perceived enemies ā€œdestroyed.ā€
Alan Simpson’s partisan taxonomy — the Stupid (Republican) party vs. the Evil (Democratic) party — no longer holds, if it ever did. At CPAC this week, you will find students of Robert George debating students of Robert Nozick about the subject of gay marriage, and Governor Rick Perry of Texas, among others, arguing that mandatory-minimum-sentence laws are a failure, while Chuck Grassley and others support them. (How many members of Mr. Stewart’s audience know that Senator Michael Lee of Utah and Senator Ted Cruz of Texas in January introduced a bill to reduce mandatory minimums for nonviolent drug offenders and to make retroactive the 2010 reforms relating to crack-cocaine sentences?) There is no CPAC of the Left, because the Left is not interested even in its own ideas, much less those of Professor George or the late Professor Nozick.

Jon Stewart’s act is a pretty good one, and it takes a real talent to anchor a long-running television show. It takes something else to anchor a long-running constitutional republic, and that something else includes intelligence and ideas. Mr. Stewart’s half-bright following is now the dominant tendency on the Left. We’d have been better off with Beavis and Butt-Head.


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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby notyou2 on Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:01 pm

It's a FUCKING COMEDY SHOW that runs parodies. He is not manipulating news, he is poking fun at it. The right wing has their collective heads so far up their collective asses they can't see comedy.
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby kuthoer on Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:31 pm

I can't agree more with Phatts, we should all get our news from Limbaugh, Beck and that true intellectual Sarah Palin.
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby crispybits on Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:35 pm

Don't forget Megyn Kelly - I particularly like her segments
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby tzor on Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:21 pm

kuthoer wrote:I can't agree more with Phatts, we should all get our news from Limbaugh, Beck and that true intellectual Sarah Palin.


Well, one out three isn't bad. Frankly, I think I prefer Beck's Blaze Network over Fox News.

But Beck himself is an entertainer; one that the left can never imitate (and they have tried) because they generally put ideology over talent.

As for Jon Stewart ... I prefer Jodi Miller any time. Newsbusted ftw.
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:30 pm

notyou2 wrote:It's a FUCKING COMEDY SHOW that runs parodies. He is not manipulating news, he is poking fun at it. The right wing has their collective heads so far up their collective asses they can't see comedy.


except for all of us know how many times we've heard someone say "Jon Stewart is the real news" "Stewart covers what we need to know" "You really can get the new from Jon Stewart" "socialism works"

I swear, this one guy at work about a year ago was saluting Jon Stewart as the truth, that said socialism works, said we should all get paid the same and be able to do the job we want to do. So I looked at this 300 pound beast, and said "Who exactly is going to want to clean YOUR toilet, and are they really gonna make the same amount as a jet fighter pilot?" Silence the rest of the day...
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby thegreekdog on Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:31 pm

Phatscotty wrote:(the great ā€œlibertarian conspiracy to take over the world and leave you the hell aloneā€)


Sounds good to me.
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby notyou2 on Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:28 pm

OK the current system where primadonna basketball players make more than life saving cancer doctors is correct.
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby squishyg on Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:40 pm

Fun fact!

The Daily Show was not created by Jon Stewart, but by Madeleine Smithberg and Lizz Winstead, who are credited as having done so in every single episode.
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:14 am

Phatscotty wrote:
notyou2 wrote:It's a FUCKING COMEDY SHOW that runs parodies. He is not manipulating news, he is poking fun at it. The right wing has their collective heads so far up their collective asses they can't see comedy.


except for all of us know how many times we've heard someone say "Jon Stewart is the real news" "Stewart covers what we need to know" "You really can get the new from Jon Stewart" "socialism works"


Yes, and there are people who think that the body can "shut down" rape if it wasn't legitimate. There are lots of ignorant people out there. That's not a commentary on Jon Stewart.

(By the way, I am amused by the following statement, "Fans, many of whom cannot quite spell his name, swear that the program is ā€œmore accurate than any other news show."", given the title of this thread.)
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby notyou2 on Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:43 am

You know the right is worried when they fear a comedy show.
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:03 am

My favorite part is the slinging around of intellectual decline and the stupid audience Stewart has.

i r gree.


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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby Army of GOD on Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:45 am

Colbert >>>>>> Stewart
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby The Voice on Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:53 am

This is an interesting take on The Daily Show. I do find it strange that most viewers must just get pleasure out of The Daily Show "destroying" certain people/organizations time and again to the point where it's not even funny. However, this article is littered with problems.

1) As squishyg pointed out, the implication that Jon Stweart created The Daily Show is false.

2) Only people on the left watch the show is also untrue. I don't identify with either party, only certain issues, and I find the show very entertaining, and at times, thought provoking. I know that I'm in the minority because I watch the show for the interviews.

3) A person can get a lot of substance from watching The Daily Show if that viewer sticks around for the interviews. No matter what guest is on (Marco Rubio, Nancy Pelosi, Ron Paul, etc.), Jon Stewart asks difficult questions and is very respectful, allowing guests to respond without interruption. If there is more to cover, he asks his guests to stay longer. The only humor in these segments is often light and not politically motivated. Indeed, many of the guests aren't even politicians. They're scientists, athletes, actors/actresses, etc.

4) The author creates a dialogue similar to the pseudo-intellectual he's rallying against. He's unnecessarily verbose, and unless he's trying to be ironic (highly doubt it), he's no better than they are.

5) For 2/3rds of the show, Jon Stewart is reading what his WRITERS have created. The author likely should take his beef up with the authors, since Jon rarely improvise from the script he's given. In other words, let's not demonize Jon Stewart out of the misguided conclusion that he demonizes others. We see his true character in the interviews or through his passion about supporting our veterans. He supports them more than most republican politicians, who just killed a bill that would've expanded healthcare and education for veterans (Unless you count sending our troops to war every time someone looks at us wrong supporting them. In which case, I can't help you.)

If you have 10 minutes, I encourage you to watch Jon Stewart's reaction to the Arizona shootings.
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby thegreekdog on Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:02 pm

I'm a pretty hardcore libertarian and I enjoy Jon Stewart.
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby Army of GOD on Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:11 pm

thegreekdog wrote:I'm a pretty hardcore libertarian and I enjoy Jon Stewart.


Because you don't have a sense of humor.


Stewart just isn't funny.
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:18 pm

thegreekdog wrote:I'm a pretty hardcore libertarian and I enjoy Jon Stewart.

TGD, I am not sure I understand. PS is pretty hardcore libertarian (he's mentioned this a couple of times), so this does not compute. ERROR. ERR0R.


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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby notyou2 on Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:11 pm

Army of GOD wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:I'm a pretty hardcore libertarian and I enjoy Jon Stewart.


Because you don't have a sense of humor.


Stewart just isn't funny.


Hey you republican get out of this thread.
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby Quirk on Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:07 pm

Craig Kilborn was the host of The Daily Show for the first 3 years.
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby Ray Rider on Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:28 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:I'm a pretty hardcore libertarian and I enjoy Jon Stewart.

TGD, I am not sure I understand. PS is pretty hardcore libertarian (he's mentioned this a couple of times), so this does not compute. ERROR. ERR0R.


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lol

From the little bit of this article that I read when I skimmed a bit of it, it appeared to be completely biased partisan hack material and I feel like even skimming part of it wasted precious seconds of my time which will never return.

For the record, I strongly disagree with many of Jon Stewart's views (maybe most) but he's a pretty good comedian and as someone else mentioned, his interviews are decent.
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby notyou2 on Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:52 pm

Ray Rider wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:I'm a pretty hardcore libertarian and I enjoy Jon Stewart.

TGD, I am not sure I understand. PS is pretty hardcore libertarian (he's mentioned this a couple of times), so this does not compute. ERROR. ERR0R.


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lol

From the little bit of this article that I read when I skimmed a bit of it, it appeared to be completely biased partisan hack material and I feel like even skimming part of it wasted precious seconds of my time which will never return.

For the record, I strongly disagree with many of Jon Stewart's views (maybe most) but he's a pretty good comedian and as someone else mentioned, his interviews are decent.


Ray, I agree with your assessment of the article. It is trash even if you hate Stewart.
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:34 pm

Army of GOD wrote:Colbert >>>>>> Stewart


Colbert is much more clever. I remember when he first got his show, everyone thought he was a right winger (his sarcasm became more and more obvious over the years) but I remember talking with the guys at work about him at the time, must have been 2005-6. I had guessed he was only a Lefty in Right's clothing, and I think that's a big part of his gig, he pulls it off way better than Stewart, and Colbert is not called out as often as Stewart for misleading and manipulating, as Colbert humor is much more obvious and not trying to be serious.

When Colbert starts having mainstream news anchors like Brian Williams on his show regularly like Stewart does, it will be clear as it is now with Stewart that he was trying to blur the line between his comedy and the news.
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:38 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:I'm a pretty hardcore libertarian and I enjoy Jon Stewart.

TGD, I am not sure I understand. PS is pretty hardcore libertarian (he's mentioned this a couple of times), so this does not compute. ERROR. ERR0R.


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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:42 pm

Army of GOD wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:I'm a pretty hardcore libertarian and I enjoy Jon Stewart.


Because you don't have a sense of humor.


Stewart just isn't funny.


Stewart can be enojyable, I used to watch Stewart (and Bill Maher) ALL the time. I just get turned off whenever I see Stewart trying to spin lies and float them as truth. It was Stewart who helped me realize in 2009 that there was something bigger going on, when Democrats dominated every branch of government, and Stewart just got angrier and angrier at anyone who didn't lick Obama's boots.
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Re: Piece on John Stewart

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:56 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:I'm a pretty hardcore libertarian and I enjoy Jon Stewart.


Because you don't have a sense of humor.


Stewart just isn't funny.


Stewart can be enojyable, I used to watch Stewart (and Bill Maher) ALL the time. I just get turned off whenever I see Stewart trying to spin lies and float them as truth. It was Stewart who helped me realize in 2009 that there was something bigger going on, when Democrats dominated every branch of government, and Stewart just got angrier and angrier at anyone who didn't lick Obama's boots.


Stewart certainly loves Obama or at least the ideas Obama conveys, but the bulk of the article in the OP isn't true. I'd concede that it is drivel though.
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