[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

by **jonty125** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:04 pm

My money is on a redirector i.e busdriver

by **StorrZerg** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:06 pm

in regards to how jonty125? (plz explain the busdriver action) i know what it does, but i wanna know what you think might have happened then

by **virus90** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:10 pm

X-Stor-X wrote:cool beans. So cool deals do you think IAC lied about his night action?

seems like it was confirmed by 2 other people. Given that, does this lead you to anything?

IMO if IAC does flip scum, makes no sense for 1 scum team to use all their powers on myself. I would go on to say that IAC is not connected to TFO or Rugbirn. Would that make sense to you?

as i pointed out in my previous post, a watcher can be confirmed, that part might be true, but that does not mean he is town. cooldeals outing adds up to my speculation
vote iamcaffeine

by **StorrZerg** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:13 pm

Does the day end as soon as we hit majority?

if so i wouldn't mind holding back on some of the votes and talking. Like to get some things cleared up, thoughts on paper, how handle the next day etc

by **cooldeals** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:14 pm

There's always possibilities in mafia....busdriver included. Currently I'm saying I think he is a Scum Watcher if no further evidence presents itself. Each additional twist is statistically less probable than the first even though possible. e.g. the odds of me targeting IAC and him getting busdriven the same night are much less than me targeting IAC and him not being busdriven.

fp by virus and Xstor

by **Rodion** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:17 pm

That crossed my mind after I had already replied to the post in which you'd mentioned the subtle hint I didn't catch.

Holding my vote just to make sure Jonty's suspicions are viewed by everyone.

If someone is a busdriver and swapped Caffeine with someone, now is the time to say so.

Stor, day ends when the mod appears and declares the day is over (or posts the lynch scene, that depends on the mod). If he gets the 8 votes and Strike does not post, we can still talk.

by **StorrZerg** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:17 pm

cool deals, same question i asked IAC.

Why did you check IAC over anyone else? what stood out to you?

by **Rodion** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:23 pm

Did not post after CD's claim:

3. Rishaed
4. Superkeener
5. Betiko
6. Mob Deadly
11. Floresdesmal Metsfanmax
13. Theforgivenone
14. Rugbirn
15. Nagerous Gregwolf121
17. Iron Butterfly

Those are basically the guys that hypothetically can claim town busdriver and redirect us to the real culprit.

Once they all post, assuming nobody claims, it's a Caffeine lynch.

by **jonty125** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:25 pm

X-Stor-X wrote:in regards to how jonty125? (plz explain the busdriver action) i know what it does, but i wanna know what you think might have happened then

Busdriver chooses scum & iAmCaffeine, cooldeals targets iamCaffeine. cooldeals is redirected to scum.

by **StorrZerg** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:28 pm

ty, should have just asked everyone who has "announced" night actions to explain why they did what they did.

Rug not asking you to claim.

by **betiko** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:42 pm

Holy crap!!! We can t leave you an afternoon alone guys!!! What a mine of information to digest, at last!!

I confirm that i don t busdrive and have nothing to do with any of this.

For now i will unvote. because the votes have piled on caff and i don t know where i stand anymore.

Will be watching champion s league for the next couple of hours... I wanted to have a look at caff and CD s previous posts to see if anything doesn t add up.

No one is counter claiming hank?? No way hank is not in the game. Out of all the players why investigate caff on night 1 CD? He didn t stood out for me compared to others... Anyway, i wanted to make a full recap of factual claims/actions of everyone. Will be back in a couple of hours.

by **strike wolf** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:54 pm

What Rodion says. The day is only over once we've reached majority votes and I've declared that the majority has been reached and say that days over.

by **Metsfanmax** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:55 pm

With a Hank claim and no counter-claim, we are pretty much forced to lynch iAmCaffeine. It is possible that cd was busdriven by chance, but the odds are fairly low. (Assuming the hypothetical busdriver is town, Rodion is right that we should wait for everyone to chime in). Presumably this means, given TFO's information, that Caff is a mafia watcher. (Or that one of TFO and Caff is, and they're scum buddies -- it would have been a good play if they didn't know about the lucky investigation).

by **MoB Deadly** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:59 pm

**Skimmed response**

Caff looks scum, I am claiming I had no hand in bus driving Caff with anyone. wrapping up work, will post tonight

by **strike wolf** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:06 pm

Official vote count

iAmCaffeine (5)-Superkeener, Mob Deadly, Gregwolf, Cooldeals, Virus90
Rishaed (1)-Virus90
Gregwolf121 (2)-X-Stor-x, Rugbirn
Cooldeals (1)-Rishaed
Superkeener
Theforgivenone
mob deadly
betiko
x-stor-x
metsfanmax
rodion
virus90
iron butterfly
Rugbirn
Jonty125

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is Monday, March 17th.

Upon checking everyone seems to have posted within a reasonable time frame. Good job and keep it up.

by **iAmCaffeine** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:36 pm

X-Stor-X wrote:caff you say you have a town read on me now. tell me why you watched me, and how that changed your opinion/ impacted the read on me

I watched because I figured you would be a prime target for a mafia kill and if that did happen then I would at least have clues as to who made the kill, if not confirmed evidence.

cooldeals wrote:Don't Skim this post.

Ok I think I need to come out and say this. I've been holding this back to gauge people's reactions today and to get 1 scum fake claim out of the way. When iAmCaffeine claimed watcher with results I didn't know what to think because in my 7-8 games or so I've never seen a scum watcher. It appears this is possible though so I feel I need to claim.

I am Hank Schrader and I am the town cop. Last night I investigated iAmCaffeine and I got a result of Mafia.

vote iAmCaffeine

You also need to consider the fact that there could be a Framer. For those unaware, that means they choose a player and if that player is investigated they are reported as mafia when in fact they are not.

Also, a "Scum Watcher" is called a Stalker.

by **cooldeals** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:38 pm

X-Stor-X wrote:cool deals, same question i asked IAC.

Why did you check IAC over anyone else? what stood out to you?

I checked IAC because I thought his play was slightly scummy on D1. I went through 3 or 4 different users posts from D1 whom I had a feeling from about their comments during the night before I sent in my action. When I went through all of IAC comments he seemed to play who I would think scum would play. I can't remember all of it because I've been super focused on all of D2 trying to find who agrees with Caff, who tries to divert attention toward and away from him etc since I got my result. But I remember some of the things I thought about and remember it was D1 so they were all WIFOM until I got my result:

1) He made sure to vote and have an opinion but not on a case that would take and not on the Townie.
2) He posted quite often comments that were meant to be helpful (game setup opinions, opinions on how people play, whether OMGUS is bad) but I didn't find it really helpful
3) Several other people were suspicious of him at one time and he didn't handle X-Stor-X's pressure well
4) I didn't see anything that screamed townie to me.

4 was probably the most important. With all the other three people I looked through I saw something in their posts that I thought I might do or say if I was town but I didn't see anything in his.

So now that I've said all that I'd like to post a few reads of my own. I assume I will be protected, watched, etc as much as possible you never know. Baring we have a bus driver or something when Caff turns scum I will assume Betiko is town or at least not part of iAmCaffeine's faction. Scum would not start a case on a scummate and push that hard. That's the only read I'm sure of.

SuperKeener built some town credit with me on D2.
To me jonty seems to have tried to divert attention away from Caff. WIFOM, but something I would look into. I'm not talking about the busdriver comment, but earlier in the day.
I thought maybe Rodion was trying to divert attention from Caff but in the end his case seemed too towniesh to me.
I also don't like some of rishaed's posts but again...WIFOM.

fp by IAC unfortunately if there is a framer and they got that lucky....we are in trouble. Once again odds are highly against that happening but sometimes I roll straight 1's too.

by **virus90** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:43 pm

about the vote count. i dont think i have 2 votes (probably noted because i did not type unvote when i voted caff)

by **Rodion** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:52 pm

3. Rishaed
4. Superkeener
13. Theforgivenone
14. Rugbirn
15. Nagerous Gregwolf121
17. Iron Butterfly

I also share CD's conditional read on Betiko.

by **Rugbirn** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:08 pm

Rodian, you can take me off the bus driver list, I don't have a class C license

by **Metsfanmax** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:15 pm

cooldeals wrote:fp by IAC unfortunately if there is a framer and they got that lucky....we are in trouble. Once again odds are highly against that happening but sometimes I roll straight 1's too.

We have to play the odds. It is possible that the framer will continue to get lucky (assuming you don't publicize who you're investigating), but we should assume the opposite, since statistically it's unlikely.

by **gregwolf121** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:10 pm

okay two things
1 you can take me off the list,

2nd,

Rugbirn wrote:O.K. now I believe that IAM is telling the truth and is not mafia (or should I not a threat to town as he describes it). So with that I.....

vote Gregwolf121

what is your reasoning for voting me rugbirn?

by **Rugbirn** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:17 pm

I have always had a FOS on your role (nothing personal as I understand how difficult being thrown into this ring has been on short notice) since D1. However, since you have been here, I can't see where you have been advancing the town's position in identifying scum. Now that CD has claimed, my vote may change, but you need to produce something worthwhile for my FOS to disappear.

by **betiko** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:50 pm

ok, just a little recap:

1. Virus90
3. Rishaed
4. Superkeener
15. Gregwolf121:
16. x-stor-x:
17. Iron Butterfly:
5. Betiko: not a bus driver
6. Mob Deadly: not a bus driver
11.Metsfanmax
12. Rodion
7. Cooldeals claimed Hank Schrader town cop investigated Iamcaffeine N1 which resulted in a guilty result
8. Jonty125: seems to have a "meth" post restriction on day 2
9. Iamcaffeine: claimed Vanco town watcher. watched x-stor-x N1 who got visited by rugbirn and TFO from his saying. both TFO and rugbirn confirmed
13. Theforgivenone: received some meth on night 1 which he was able to use imediately and decided to watch x-stor-x. he saw both Iamcaffeine and rugbirn visiting him and he lost his vote on day 2 as a result of the meth consumption
14. Rugbirn: not a bus driver

Dead

2. Anarkistdream-Brandon "Badger" Mayhew-Vanilla Townie lynched day 1 (started talking about meth consumption on day 1... could it be a posting restriction?)
10. Pancakemix-Lydia Rodarte-Quayle-Mafia Goon killed night 2
18. Nebuchadnezer-Skyler White-Town Doctor

Ok I probably forgot stuff with all these revelations; if you guys can add there whatever I forgot...

here is a wild theory: caff and tfo are both scum and backing each other's story. If you had meth and the possibility to gain an ability for a night..... would you go for watcher instead of cop??

by **Rodion** on Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:34 pm

Betiko, you are implying TFO got to pick his ability.

3. Rishaed
4. Superkeener
13. Theforgivenone
17. Iron Butterfly

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