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Why democracy is failing America

Postby Gillipig on Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:06 am

I read this article from 2011 just now and it struck me as one of the best pieces of critique against democracy out there. It made me break my attempt of not posting anything here during 2014. But I felt I needed to repost it somewhere and this is as good a place as any.
The article is taken from http://www.naturalnews.com/032346_democ ... erica.html, and has the title "Why demoracy is failing America", but does in many ways relate to why democracy is failing in all western countries as well. It is a good read, enjoy it.

Mike Adams wrote:Democracy is the worst form of government, Sir Winston Churchill once said... except for every other form of government. In other words, all forms of government are atrociously bad, and democracy may merely be the least bad of the bunch. I certainly wouldn't want to live under a dictatorship, socialism or communism. So I like the idea of democracy, and I wish it would work better for America. But it isn't working. That much is clear. Democracy is failing America, and we can't just blame it on the politicians and the corporations. People actually vote for their own self-destruction by electing professional liars to represent them.

That's where this article begins.

Why democracy isn't working for America
At its core, the democratic process of electing representatives is a popularity contest. The voters inevitably end up supporting whichever lawmakers offer the best handouts right now, regardless of the long-term consequences to the nation. Voting, in other words, is a contest based on short-term rewards rather than long-term vision. Not surprisingly, when the voters go to the polls, they tend to elect the person who promises them the most right now.

Now, it's crucial to recognize this simple economic fact: No government can offer something to one person without first taking it from another. So the more handouts, entitlements and benefits any government offers, the more it must confiscate from others in order to meet its "obligations" to the voters.

This creates a downward spiral of entitlements leading to inescapable debt. Because sooner or later, governments always run out of other people's money.

But that doesn't stop the voting action which still boils down to a popularity contest to decide the leader who tells the best lies. When given a choice between a realistic candidate who says America is deep in debt (Ron Paul) and a fantasy-land candidate who says there's nothing to worry about (almost everybody else), most voters will choose the fantasy candidate... especially if it means more money in their pockets.

The right course of action is too unpopular
What's desperately lacking in all this, of course, is the far more important truth that when a nation is in financial trouble (and environmental trouble, health care trouble, etc.), only tough decisions will ever turn it around. And those tough decisions are, by definition, unpopular decisions.

Huh? We have to consume less? Receive fewer benefits? Pay higher taxes? Make the wealthy corporations pay their fair share? Say it isn't so...

Not surprisingly, in a free and open democracy, tough, unpopular decisions will almost never be supported by the majority of voters. That's because most people are simply selfish. They are far more concerned about their own immediate benefits than the future they might be handing down to their children or grandchildren. So there is zero willingness to make the tough decisions necessary to save the country. The voters, in other words, tend to vote out of their own short-term interests rather than the long-term viability of the nation as a whole.

That's why democracy is failing America. And that's partly why America is headed toward a near-certain collapse in the not-too-distant future. A President who tells the truth and says we have to cut government by 80% to balance the budget is simply not electable. Too many people have their hands in the cookie jar. Too many voters depend on the government to send them checks, and far too many wealthy corporations are entirely dependent on government enforcement of monopolies and subsidies for their own survival. Big Pharma, for example, would shrink by at least 90% if not for the government's support of the industry.

So electing a President who will actually halt the financial bleeding of America will never happen.

Sure, it might happen in a nation with a highly educated population. That's why education is so important to the long-term survival of any nation. But America isn't a highly-educated nation. Probably half of America's high school graduates can't do basic math. So the concept of compounded interest on the national debt is simply beyond their understanding and doesn't seem real to them. They are short-term consumers because that's the way they've been trained. That's the way they think. That's the way they calculate. And that's the way they vote.

Think about it: Your average consumer will spend $4 on a pack of two AA batteries when they could spend $10 and get 8 AA batteries of the exact same brand and capacity. To most consumers, $4 is cheaper than $10, so they just spend the $4 and don't consider the cost per battery. People don't do the math! And when they vote, they don't think it through. They vote based on popularity, not rational thought.

As a result, America today is a cesspool of lawmakers, Presidents and bureaucrats who merely weave elaborate lies to feed the public for as long as they can get away with it. There is hardly a shred of truth left in anything coming out of Washington D.C. these days. We are so far beyond the point of actually fixing the problems and turning this country around that most of the intelligent people are now focused on getting ready to "ride out the reset."

The dictatorship we definitely don't want
At this point, the only real way to save America's future is to force a set of tough decisions upon the people by way of a strong dictatorship -- and I am absolutely opposed to such a thing because it would destroy the few remaining freedoms we still enjoy today.

You could, of course, try to educate the populace about freedom, fiscal responsibility and the value of long-term strategic thinking rather than short-term rewards, but that would require an entire cultural shift spanning at least two generations. Because let's face it, Americans have been trained in the philosophy of "instant gratification" for at least two generations. It's all about having more and having it now. You can't reverse that kind of thinking overnight. You can't reverse instant gratification thinking instantly, in other words.

The end result will be collapse
So what are we left with? There's no way out of this except collapse. Michael Ruppert gets it (http://www.collapsenet.com). Gerald Celente gets it (http://www.TrendsResearch.com) . Alex Jones gets it (http://www.InfoWars.com). But most people don't get it.

In fact, the mainstream short-term thinkers and voters don't get it at all. And the reason they don't get it is because they are the problem from the start! They're the ones who voted without thinking and elected professional liars rather than problem solvers. John F. Kennedy was probably the last President who attempted to actually tell the truth, and they shot him in the head for asking too many questions about the Federal Reserve (and other topics). After that moment in history, it has all been a series of escalating lies to the point where all the presidents in recent memory are now little more than staged public relations fictional characters playing a role in the hit comedy TV series called "America, The Leader of the Free World!"

It's a comedy series, however... not a reality show. And the mainstream media is playing the role of the comedy news source in the comedy TV series. Virtually nothing the media prints about health, the economy or world news has any basis in fact whatsoever. It is merely the regurgitation of crafted spin pieces and official deceptions designed to keep the voters entertained a while longer while the money commanders loot the economy before the coming collapse.

Lessons to be learned from recent history
Why does any of this matter? At one level, it doesn't. The collapse of America has been set in motion, and there's actually very little you or I can do to stop it. Emailing your congressman or signing a petition is futile. Even the act of voting is essentially an exercise in supporting a system of government that's already on life support and nearing its expiration date. It doesn't really make much difference at this point, except for local and state elections, of course.

Because the bigger picture here is that the experiment of Democracy has failed on a grand scale. It's not obvious to everyone yet (because few people are long-term thinkers), but it soon will be. Democracy doesn't work if your voters are mostly short-term thinkers who can't do math and whose selfishness outweighs any sense of leaving something of value for the next generation.

The American democracy experiment will soon crash land, and when we're sorting through the wreckage, all the shocked and bewildered people will be asking, "How could this have happened? Everything was going along just fine..." But it wasn't just fine. Most of it was all a Big Lie, and lies have a way of catching up with you.

America's democracy was a noble concept. And it could have worked if the population had been better educated and the corporations less greedy (and the lawmakers less whore-like, I suppose). But today it has failed, and now it's only a matter of watching it implode and then figuring out a better solution for creating a more sustainable nation for our collective future.

Perhaps it's time we threw away the idea of voters electing "representatives" in its totality and instead created a nation of sovereign citizens who operate from a completely different mindset. Who says we need a federal government at all? Wouldn't most of us be freer, healthier, wealthier and happier if the federal government didn't even exist? Sure, we need a national defense but even that could be coordinated by the states.

Remember, the "United States" means a group of states who are united in their intentions. It does not mean a federal tyrant that overrules the states. The "United States" of America is supposed to be a system of agreement and open trade among fifty sovereign geopolitical entities, not one oppressive system that demands compliance with its corrupt, power-hungry agenda.

These are some of the issues people will no doubt be pondering when the current experiment in democracy implodes.

Don't be surprised when that day comes, of course. It's already past the point of no return. Be ready to take part in the discussions of what I call The Next Society that will inevitably be born out of the coming collapse. And hopefully we can figure out a way to improve on the concept of "democracy" for a brighter (and freer) future.


The editor is a little bit of a nut otherwise (read his other articles), but sometimes paranoid people can make good observations as well.
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby Gillipig on Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:32 am

When I hear americans talking about getting money out of politics I agree with them that it's a good idea, but what they don't seem to understand is that your politicians actually won't be making good decisions once the money motivator has been removed either. Because then they will be listening to the people, and even if that is a good thing theoretically, when applied to the real world it results in equally bad politics.
Unfortunately people are stupid, and not fit to determine what's best for their country. They will be requesting more rights and less taxes, stupid shit like that. I know this because I live in one of the least corrupt countries in the world, where big businesses aren't affecting the political system. Instead the politicians are hellbent on doing exactly what the people ask for, so they can get (re)elected. They follow polls like they're laws meaning parties each year gravitate closer and closer to each other as they're following the same polls.
If only people asked for things that would benefit the country in the long run this would not be a problem, heck it would be a dream democracy where the people got exactly what they wanted. But because people are inherently selfish and shortminded, as well as ignorant of economy, all that comes out of it is more and more bad political decisions.
You might think that "oh well, all you need to do is educate the people then." Not that easy it turns out, Sweden is one of the most overeducated countries in the world, you need a university degree to do almost anything over here, and yet we can't get ourselves together and vote for what's best in the long run. And in America, not only is the average american way less educated but there's also a nation wide love for individualism, something that I believe is disastrous when you're trying to convinve people to think for the nation as a whole and making longterm decisions.
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby Timminz on Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:56 am

So what you're saying is, Washington has a Koch problem?
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:19 am

Gillipig wrote:I read this


I thought this guy was leaving?
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby Gillipig on Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:42 am

saxitoxin wrote:
Gillipig wrote:I read this


I thought this guy was leaving?


This guy can't make up his mind, but you know that already ;).
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:10 am

Oh, I've heard this apocalypse story before. Who was that nutter with the lamb avatar?
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:17 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:Oh, I've heard this apocalypse story before. Who was that nutter with the lamb avatar?

Beetlejuice. But don't say his name 3 times, he'll sabotage this topic.


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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:35 am

Beetletage! Beetletage! Beetletage!
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby muy_thaiguy on Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:45 am

AndyDufresne wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Oh, I've heard this apocalypse story before. Who was that nutter with the lamb avatar?

Beetlejuice. But don't say his name 3 times, he'll sabotage this topic.


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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby mrswdk on Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:35 pm

Just another egotistical ass getting up on his high horse and telling 'the electorate' that they don't know what's good for them because they're not as clever as him.

Pretty boring.
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby oVo on Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:14 pm

The biggest problem with all government concepts (democracy, socialism, etc.) is simply the human element and always has been. Even the best of intentions are usually corrupted by the time any politician reaches a high office. By that I simply mean that agendas have changed, favors are owed and goals are altered by situational politics.

The United States has the antiquated Electoral College system for presidential elections that dates back to colonial times and lawmakers who continue to create ways to receive anonymous donations to fund campaigns that allows corporations to influence elections, regulations, policy, laws and tax benefits.

It's actually difficult to determine who is running the "do as I say and not as I do" government in Washington DC. The two party system that dominates American politics is merely two sides of the same coin. Flip it every election and regardless of how it lands it remains business as usual. The adversarial image of the two parties is mostly bs that tends to calm the angst of most voters while very little is accomplished and they acquire wealth.
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:27 pm

oVo wrote:The biggest problem with all government concepts (democracy, socialism, etc.) is simply the human element and always has been. Even the best of intentions are usually corrupted by the time any politician reaches a high office. By that I simply mean that agendas have changed, favors are owed and goals are altered by situational politics.

The United States has the antiquated Electoral College system for presidential elections that dates back to colonial times and lawmakers who continue to create ways to receive anonymous donations to fund campaigns that allows corporations to influence elections, regulations, policy, laws and tax benefits.

It's actually difficult to determine who is running the "do as I say and not as I do" government in Washington DC. The two party system that dominates American politics is merely two sides of the same coin. Flip it every election and regardless of how it lands it remains business as usual. The adversarial image of the two parties is mostly bs that tends to calm the angst of most voters while very little is accomplished and they acquire wealth.


This

and I would add to it, that's why small government is better. Everything is for sale because the government is involved in everything. Anywhere a permit is needed, any time a job needs to get done, any time you want to get a hearing, someone needs a reason to let you do it, and it's usually money, I might agree, with a government that is way too big and only getting bigger, of course Democracy is going to work less and less. IE, if the government didn't have so much power, so much power would not be for sale. That doesn't by any means conclude there is no place for regulation or government, but if Democracy is going to work well, it's important to have an at least decent government and at least a decent people who are going to do their part as well.
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby mrswdk on Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:38 pm

Phatscotty wrote:if the government didn't have so much power, so much power would not be for sale


What makes you sure that shifting that power to the private sector wouldn't just replace a bunch of 'for sale' politicians with a bunch of 'for sale' executives? Why should we assume that non-government power holders would be less rent-seeking?
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby mrswdk on Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:41 pm

PS wrote:Anywhere a permit is needed, any time a job needs to get done, any time you want to get a hearing, someone needs a reason to let you do it, and it's usually money


Are you suggesting that civil servants in the US frequently solicit bribes or what?
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:05 pm

The market has determined that this -

Mike Adams wrote:Your average consumer will spend $4 on a pack of two AA batteries when they could spend $10 and get 8 AA batteries of the exact same brand and capacity. To most consumers, $4 is cheaper than $10, so they just spend the $4 and don't consider the cost per battery. People don't do the math!

- is a false statement.

(http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=COST ... T;range=5y)
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby Metsfanmax on Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:25 pm

saxitoxin wrote:The market has determined that this -

Mike Adams wrote:Your average consumer will spend $4 on a pack of two AA batteries when they could spend $10 and get 8 AA batteries of the exact same brand and capacity. To most consumers, $4 is cheaper than $10, so they just spend the $4 and don't consider the cost per battery. People don't do the math!

- is a false statement.

(http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=COST ... T;range=5y)


http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=WMT# ... f;source=;

The whole market has been climbing steadily during the timeframe of that chart.
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:46 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:The market has determined that this -

Mike Adams wrote:Your average consumer will spend $4 on a pack of two AA batteries when they could spend $10 and get 8 AA batteries of the exact same brand and capacity. To most consumers, $4 is cheaper than $10, so they just spend the $4 and don't consider the cost per battery. People don't do the math!

- is a false statement.

(http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=COST ... T;range=5y)


http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=WMT# ... f;source=;

The whole market has been climbing steadily during the timeframe of that chart.


I was trying to make a concise point. :x

Costco and similar concept competitors like Hillary's Club and BJ's have been consistently on top of retail sector growth over the last decade. (see http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspecul ... mberships/ and 50 other links I could find if you insist on being obstinate instead of letting saxi have his way with you)
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby Metsfanmax on Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:03 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:The market has determined that this -

Mike Adams wrote:Your average consumer will spend $4 on a pack of two AA batteries when they could spend $10 and get 8 AA batteries of the exact same brand and capacity. To most consumers, $4 is cheaper than $10, so they just spend the $4 and don't consider the cost per battery. People don't do the math!

- is a false statement.

(http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=COST ... T;range=5y)


http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=WMT# ... f;source=;

The whole market has been climbing steadily during the timeframe of that chart.


I was trying to make a concise point. :x

Costco and similar concept competitors like Hillary's Club and BJ's have been consistently on top of retail sector growth over the last decade. (see http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspecul ... mberships/ and 50 other links I could find if you insist on being obstinate instead of letting saxi have his way with you)


Ok, fair enough. But Adams' point may still be valid. Yes, in the abstract people can make good decisions about how to spend money. That is, they can choose to regularly shop at Costco if they know that they'll save money that way in the long run. But if they're already in the store and they're choosing between a larger and smaller package, they will often go for the smaller one simply because it's cheaper in the short term.
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:15 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:But if they're already in the store and they're choosing between a larger and smaller package, they will often go for the smaller one simply because it's cheaper in the short term.


I don't have any information to indicate the average person does that so I'll have to take your word for it. The only information I have is that stores that sell CPG products in bulk have been the most successful retail sector in the U.S. over the last decade and I'm pretty sure it's not because of the free frozen hummus samples. I suspect the humans are capable of more complex thought than you seem inclined to believe.

That said, I do frequently purchase less than the absolute largest size I can get of things, even though it may be more expensive. That's not because I can't do 10th grade division, but because I don't like to store 50 rolls of toilet paper and am happy to pay a relatively small premium to Ralph's to store 46 rolls for me until such time as I've shit my way through the 4 I took out of the store with me.
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby oVo on Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:28 pm

I've now read the article and find it makes a lot of good points. The problem with buying the larger pack of batteries --for the savings-- is the use by dates are a fraud. The extra batteries have already lost their charge, even with several years remaining on their supposed life. So it's a fail if you don't and a fail if you do.

The other aspect of elections is attempting to be an informed voter. The League of Women Voters does a decent job of publishing candidates' information, but the ballots are loaded with so many choices that people choosing to vote straight tickets is no surprise. Also local bond issues and things are so absurdly worded that it can even be confusing to know if you are voting FOR or AGAINST something on the ballot.

I sincerely doubt the majority of voters are "well informed" when they go to the polls and social media is so full of half truths and bs, they only make it worse.
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby Metsfanmax on Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:40 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:But if they're already in the store and they're choosing between a larger and smaller package, they will often go for the smaller one simply because it's cheaper in the short term.


I don't have any information to indicate the average person does that so I'll have to take your word for it. The only information I have is that stores that sell CPG products in bulk have been the most successful retail sector in the U.S. over the last decade and I'm pretty sure it's not because of the free frozen hummus samples.


What do you mean by "most successful retail sector?" Growing the fastest does not necessarily mean that they are the most successful (unless you define it that way), if the market for their competitors has saturated. Remember that BJs, Price Club/Costco, Sam's Club, etc. mostly all got going in the mid-1980s. This growth could simply be because the stores hadn't hit their natural equilibrium yet. And if they had, what would be your explanation for the growth? That people suddenly got smarter about 10 years ago?

I suspect the humans are capable of more complex thought than you seem inclined to believe.


It's not that we're not capable -- it's just that we don't always act rationally. To be fair, it goes both ways -- sometimes we'll buy things to get the better deal, even if we don't need the extra quantity. Stores wouldn't keep using 2 for $5 style discounts if it didn't work.

That said, I do frequently purchase less than the absolute largest size I can get of things, even though it may be more expensive. That's not because I can't do 10th grade division, but because I don't like to store 50 rolls of toilet paper and am happy to pay a relatively small premium to Ralph's to store 46 rolls for me until such time as I've shit my way through the 4 I took out of the store with me.


That's fine, but it doesn't really address the battery example.
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:31 am

mrswdk wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:if the government didn't have so much power, so much power would not be for sale


What makes you sure that shifting that power to the private sector wouldn't just replace a bunch of 'for sale' politicians with a bunch of 'for sale' executives? Why should we assume that non-government power holders would be less rent-seeking?


for sale executives.. isn't that just plain old business and the economy? Why do you assume everything has to be for sale, or that everything just gets lopped into the private sector? My statement isn't solely about rent seeking though, it's about a much more serious systemic kind of corruption. (Your reply would be better suited in the Comcast thread) The more power usurped by the government, the bigger the government gets and the more room there is for corruption. Not to mention, I do not prefer a central government calling the shots on the economy, I think the non-government power should have a lot more control, but that's doesn't mean 100% control. And you are still leaving out the responsibilities of the people; to hold their leaders accountable, to support those seeking fiscal discipline, to be informed to be able to make better decisions. And don't forget how the culture filters through as well. In a culture where everyone knows deep down our debt is a joke and we are broke and people getting screwed over is normal and eminent domain is abused and the currency is being devalued and inflated and states are creating gun registry lists and governors are telling certain groups of people they are not welcome in the state, you are going to get workers in the system who are that much less virtuous, and at a time where we are running surpluses and respecting citizens rights and working together on the important stuff instead of dividing ourselves on social wedge issues, people in general are more proud; honesty and truth start to feel good (Think Norway)
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby mrswdk on Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:30 am

So if you remove that power and ability to control from the hands of politicians, whose hands does it end up in? And why do you assume that it would not be 'for sale' in the same way that government-held power supposedly is?
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:42 am

mrswdk wrote:So if you remove that power and ability to control from the hands of politicians, whose hands does it end up in? And why do you assume that it would not be 'for sale' in the same way that government-held power supposedly is?


Let's say that the following items are true:

(1) Government is for sale.
(2) Actors acting without government are for sale.

The point one would make is then "what's the difference?" My response would be the difference is that the government spends additional capital/cash/time in the form of bureaucracy that may not be spent to the same degree, if at all, with private actors.
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Re: Why democracy is failing America

Postby mrswdk on Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:59 am

Phatscotty's argument appeared to hinge on the idea that a larger government undermines 'democracy' by increasing the number of areas in which government agents have the power to rent seek. His answer is to reduce the number of things that the government has control over.

My question is: does reducing government authority and responsibility in various areas of society decrease the scale of corruption and rent-seeking overall, or would it just shift it from within the government to non-government hands?

With regards to your point, tgd, do you have any particular examples of areas where you feel the private sector could do what the government does but without using as many resources?
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