[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

by **Rugbirn** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:54 am

Betty, I never said I was town - ever! I said "obviously I am town aligned" I will check on the color and post

by **MoB Deadly** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:56 am

Rugbirn wrote:No, I completely understand Betty. Like I said, I'm learning. I just want town to understand the ramifications - because although I have always told the truth, now I have told the complete truth, the whole truth, so help me God.

You didnt though.

First you said you were town aligned.
Then we asked for your win condition, and you give us 3rd Party Win condition
Now you are claiming 3rd party aligned.

Big big difference because that was one of the things we determined was an irrefutable lie.
And you lied where you didnt tell us that your role acts differently when you visit scum.
If you said it from the start, I wouldnt have to claim to provide counter evidence against your role.

fp.... lets see

by **betiko** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:57 am

Rugbirn wrote:@ Rodion -
1. Obviously, from my actions I am town aligned.
1.5 My winning condition is to be the last standing (quite doubtful now)
2. My question to Strike was about what I could/could not say about my role - claim wording wise. Nothing major, but I wanted clarification so as not to get mod killed.

Yes you did, and several times. Just too lazy to find all posts where you said so.

by **Rugbirn** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:01 am

No, I didn't. I said, I was town aligned. That is the truth, and to me and most others I believe is different than saying I am town.

Now, colorwise, Hank is bluish grey to me, my color is light green.

by **betiko** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:06 am

Rugbirn wrote:No, I didn't. I said, I was town aligned. That is the truth, and to me and most others I believe is different than saying I am town.

Now, colorwise, Hank is bluish grey to me, my color is light green.

If you are third party you are not town aligned, you are third party.

Anyway I ve said it before... I have difficulty thinking saul could be
A) a fakeclaim
B) an antitown role

by **Rugbirn** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:11 am

Betty, you are making no sense. If you do not say something, how can it be a lie? It was definately mis-leading, I will grant you that, but again I felt that telling all at first would certainly get me lynched. At first, I didn't give you both sides of my action cause I didn't think it would help my case, but only muddy the waters against me. And after MoB claimed, I told Rodion that I didn't understand how Super got NKed. But after thoroughly digesting it, I realized that Super was scum, and my protection does not apply to scum. I insist that I have NEVER lied in this game - I challenge you or anyone to find it!

by **Rugbirn** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:17 am

To me claiming you are part of town is completely different than saying you are town aligned, or in essence helping town. My role being 3rd party allowed me to be both town aligned AND mafia aligned. I only choose town alignment and explained why eariler.

by **MoB Deadly** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:21 am

This argument on whether you lied or not is not helping the game at all. just making things worse.

Fact is, you did not trust town enough to fully claim 100% truthfully the whole time. What makes us believe you are suddenly telling us the truth now? And what makes us trust that you won't stab us in the back if we let you live?

by **betiko** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:22 am

Rugbirn wrote:Betty, you are making no sense. If you do not say something, how can it be a lie? It was definately mis-leading, I will grant you that, but again I felt that telling all at first would certainly get me lynched. At first, I didn't give you both sides of my action cause I didn't think it would help my case, but only muddy the waters against me. And after MoB claimed, I told Rodion that I didn't understand how Super got NKed. But after thoroughly digesting it, I realized that Super was scum, and my protection does not apply to scum. I insist that I have NEVER lied in this game - I challenge you or anyone to find it!

Easy, you said several times you are town aligned even when i hinted you to admit if you were third party, i just quoted you. I have been telling you all night yesterday to claim fast and revealing nothing but the truth. That was the best way for us to believe you.
Part of me believes you though, even if you totally noobed there. And this has nothing to do with a game, this is human nature. If you have a bad grade and you hide it and lie to your parents, don t you think you are more in trouble that if you go see them and explain the truth?

by **Rugbirn** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:29 am

I will admit that I said town "aligned". How you interpreted it is appearently different than me. Like I said, I have always told the truth, but maybe made the mistake of not being thorough initially. Put yourself in my shoes, knowing what I'm claiming, and the wagon action at the time of my initial claim, would you have said that you could be mafia aligned? I don't think so.

by **gregwolf121** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:30 am

well well well more and more big revelations, rugbirn i would echo the words of others you should have told the truth from the begining, now i'm not sure if i entirely believe your claim, its a possibility of that there is no doubt, but from your actions i think the possibility that you made it all up is high.

fastposted xalot

by **Metsfanmax** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:31 am

betiko wrote:
Rugbirn wrote:No, I didn't. I said, I was town aligned. That is the truth, and to me and most others I believe is different than saying I am town.

Now, colorwise, Hank is bluish grey to me, my color is light green.

If you are third party you are not town aligned, you are third party.

I hate to say I told you so... wait, no I don't ;-P

by **Rugbirn** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:32 am

MoB, do you understand your predicament. If you have any chance to survive N3, you need me to protect you, and I need you to buss me. therewise we are both dead tonight - get it?

by **Metsfanmax** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:35 am

Rugbirn wrote:Plus, you all know that I am too stupid to make all this up.

Agreed. Unvote, for now.

by **Rugbirn** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:38 am

Sorry for the typos: " should be, I need to protect you and you need to buss me"

by **strike wolf** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:57 am

Official Vote Count

Rishaed
Gregwolf121 (1)-Jonty125
Theforgivenone (1)-Rugbirn
mob deadly
betiko
metsfanmax
rodion
virus90
iron butterfly
Rugbirn (3)-Betiko, Iron Butterfly, Rodion
Jonty125

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Wow. I wish I had found time to do this last night when I was rushing on and off the computer. Lots of pages.

by **jonty125** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:04 am

betiko wrote:I don't know about jonty, but from other games I know he likes to get in those kind of deliriums... remember lovecraft mafia?

Gosh, that was so long ago I might have been clean from meth!! I'm fairly sure I had a PR back in Lovecraft.

Now, the Rugbrin saga. If we let him live and it's D7, he could change sides. Also, if we let him live, and MoB keeps doing the Rug / MoB switcharoo, Rug is effectively cancelling out his protect. And, I have my doubts on it working, because for it to work Rug would have to self protect (it's later busdriven but he initally has to attempt a self protect) which I'm not sure is allowed under SW. I doubt there is a 3rd protective role in a 18 player game, not out of the realms of possibility and if you are the 3rd, 4th whatever protective role DON'T RUDDY COME FORWARD (unless your scum). So all in all, I cannot see why we keep Rugbrin alive.

And for betiko, asking about my PR, well maybe you missed methed something, maybe I'm delirious, maybe my PR is to be delirious, who knows?

by **MoB Deadly** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:04 am

I am not supposed to be on the vote count is that correct?
fastposted

by **jonty125** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:05 am

Oh unvote as well

by **strike wolf** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:10 am

MoB Deadly wrote:I am not supposed to be on the vote count is that correct?
fastposted

This is why I don't usually deal with non-voters.

by **betiko** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:19 am

jonty125 wrote:
betiko wrote:I don't know about jonty, but from other games I know he likes to get in those kind of deliriums... remember lovecraft mafia?

Gosh, that was so long ago I might have been clean from meth!! I'm fairly sure I had a PR back in Lovecraft.

Now, the Rugbrin saga. If we let him live and it's D7, he could change sides. Also, if we let him live, and MoB keeps doing the Rug / MoB switcharoo, Rug is effectively cancelling out his protect. And, I have my doubts on it working, because for it to work Rug would have to self protect (it's later busdriven but he initally has to attempt a self protect) which I'm not sure is allowed under SW. I doubt there is a 3rd protective role in a 18 player game, not out of the realms of possibility and if you are the 3rd, 4th whatever protective role DON'T RUDDY COME FORWARD (unless your scum). So all in all, I cannot see why we keep Rugbrin alive.

And for betiko, asking about my PR, well maybe you missed methed something, maybe I'm delirious, maybe my PR is to be delirious, who knows?

Regarding your PR; did you receive a message in the middle of day 1 to give you such PR? I think that s when you started. Is this something you chose or something that happened against your will?

by **Rugbirn** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:22 am

Jonty is right (as I previously posted - I cannot protect myself - only townies - I am 3rd party). But I still see it working, cause if MoB is town (and I think he is), then I could protect him, and he could buss me. MoB is alive, and mafia would have to target someone else to get me. It is really advantageous fortown if MoB busses me wih mafia, (like he did with CD & Super) that way when they try to kill me they get themselves.

by **Rugbirn** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:32 am

Jonty, my question to you is: why would I align with mafia on D? ? If I were to do that why wouldn't I have already? Like I said, I have nothing in common with mafia, as I can't strategize or day talk with them. Anything I did for them I couldn't talk about, and they wouldn't even know I did it. Hence, I would get no protection from them - just doesn't make sense.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:54 pm

Are you people really serious?

BEST case scenario he is telling the truth. He is a third party healer. He is a Doc. Say it people....he is claiming Doc. We had a Doc, we have a bus driver.

Ask yourself why have a third party Doc?? He is basically saying that besides his color he is Town aligned. If that is the case then why the need for the color scheme if the only difference IS the color scheme? If he is green then he has a separate win condition and I do not trust it.

by **betiko** on Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:04 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:Are you people really serious?

BEST case scenario he is telling the truth. He is a third party healer. He is a Doc. Say it people....he is claiming Doc. We had a Doc, we have a bus driver.

Ask yourself why have a third party Doc?? He is basically saying that besides his color he is Town aligned. If that is the case then why the need for the color scheme if the only difference IS the color scheme? If he is green then he has a separate win condition and I do not trust it.

The difference being that he is not a town doc. And if he targets a mafia, he basically frames the result if I understand correctly. How would that help to kill him rather than finding scum? Also 3 dead town so far, starting to kill 3rd parties is sending a wrong message instead of building a strong town-third party-dea alliance.

The day is still young. I am fine with trying something else. I ll go back to greg who was my first target before the poisoning theories. Xstor is a proven tracker and just never let him go. He has reacted strangely to pressure.

Unvote vote greggwolf

[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

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