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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby Pope Joan on Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:33 am

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DoomYoshi wrote:Russia annexing Crimea reminds me of Germany annexing Austria.


Russia annexing Crimea reminds me of Russia annexing Mongolia and Tannu Tuva.


Bingo! Apart from Mongolia, which was never annexed. It was just helped with breaking away from China and setting up a communist regime.

From Wikipedia: The Soviet Union annexed Tuva outright in 1944, with the approval of Tuva's Little Khural (parliament). The exact circumstances surrounding Tannu-Tuva's incorporation into the USSR in 1944 remain obscure. Salchak Toka, the leader of Tuvan communists, was given the title of First Secretary of the Tuvan Communist Party, and became the de facto ruler of Tuva until his death in 1973. Tuva was made the Tuvan Autonomous Oblast and then became the Tuva ASSR on October 10, 1961.
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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby Pope Joan on Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:41 am

Ray Rider wrote: 4. The new government didn't call an election after ousting Yanukovych--they passed up the opportunity to legitimize the new government across the country.


They did: it is on 25th of May. They should have called parliamentary elections for this day as well.

Ray Rider wrote: 6. The new government's swift repeal of the Russian language law, contributing to instability in the country.


They tried to repeal it but the interim president did not sign the repeal. Thus, the repeal is not enacted. But it was, indeed, silly and contributed to instability.

But I share your general feeling and frustration. There are a lot of naughty boys up there deserving a good smack. Here is a good one to replace 4+6 for you:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2584974/Sit-animal-Angry-far-right-politicians-attack-Ukraine-TV-chief.html
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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby patches70 on Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:17 pm

And now Ukraine with her new EU friendly government is trying to pull a Cyprus 2.0. That is there are two proposals for new tax legislation.
1. A tax on all deposits that are 100,000 hryvnia or more (at a 25% rate)
or/and
2. 1.5% tax on all deposits.

Wealth tax, part of the price of admission into the EU, still with no guarantees of enrollment. It's right in line with the IMF 2013 proposal of governments enacting a wealth tax and why it's a good thing.

Of course, some might argue that it's just double taxation. Being as people pay taxes on their wages and then deposit those wages into a bank to have it taxed yet again. This isn't tax on interest earned (which is one thing) but a tax on money that's already been taxed to begin with.

Of course, one can count on that all the real money will have long since been removed before such a tax actually hits. A la Cyprus which targeted Russian money but found out that the money had been moved and thus hitting just ordinary citizens.

The same thing will happen in the Ukraine.
It's the modus operandi of the EU, it's perfectly acceptable to steal, confiscate, invest other people's money whether they want to or not!

This all began with the failed EU deal. The Ukraine wanted $30 billion in loans and credit guarantees. The EU offered $300 million along with reforms that include wealth disparity to be enacted in the Ukraine. Such things as wealth taxes, like the new proposals.
Russia on the other hand offered $15 billion and lower natgas prices and no other conditions.

Is it any wonder that the Ukraine government at the time went with Russia's offer?


This fascination with jumping onto a rotting, sinking ship like the EU, it's no wonder that the EU faction of Ukraine radicals had to seize power. They sure as hell wouldn't get elected legitimately with this kind of stuff!

I guess we'll see if this gets through or not. If not, then the Ukraine is going to have a problem with the EU I'd wager. If it does get through, the Ukraine is going to have a problem with her own peoples (as if there weren't enough already, throw wealth confiscation into the mix and watch it all burn!).
Kind of ironic now that I think about it. Toss out the corrupt regime and replace it with a regime that tries to steal your hard earned money directly from your bank account.
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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:25 pm

The EU is great. It is the first step in restoring the proper borders of Germany:
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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby patches70 on Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:31 pm

^ Haha, yeah, that's pretty funny, Yoshi. Well done.
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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby rishaed on Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:08 pm

patches70 wrote:And now Ukraine with her new EU friendly government is trying to pull a Cyprus 2.0. That is there are two proposals for new tax legislation.
1. A tax on all deposits that are 100,000 hryvnia or more (at a 25% rate)
or/and
2. 1.5% tax on all deposits.

Wealth tax, part of the price of admission into the EU, still with no guarantees of enrollment. It's right in line with the IMF 2013 proposal of governments enacting a wealth tax and why it's a good thing.

Of course, some might argue that it's just double taxation. Being as people pay taxes on their wages and then deposit those wages into a bank to have it taxed yet again. This isn't tax on interest earned (which is one thing) but a tax on money that's already been taxed to begin with.

Of course, one can count on that all the real money will have long since been removed before such a tax actually hits. A la Cyprus which targeted Russian money but found out that the money had been moved and thus hitting just ordinary citizens.

The same thing will happen in the Ukraine.
It's the modus operandi of the EU, it's perfectly acceptable to steal, confiscate, invest other people's money whether they want to or not!

This all began with the failed EU deal. The Ukraine wanted $30 billion in loans and credit guarantees. The EU offered $300 million along with reforms that include wealth disparity to be enacted in the Ukraine. Such things as wealth taxes, like the new proposals.
Russia on the other hand offered $15 billion and lower natgas prices and no other conditions.

Is it any wonder that the Ukraine government at the time went with Russia's offer?


This fascination with jumping onto a rotting, sinking ship like the EU, it's no wonder that the EU faction of Ukraine radicals had to seize power. They sure as hell wouldn't get elected legitimately with this kind of stuff!

I guess we'll see if this gets through or not. If not, then the Ukraine is going to have a problem with the EU I'd wager. If it does get through, the Ukraine is going to have a problem with her own peoples (as if there weren't enough already, throw wealth confiscation into the mix and watch it all burn!).
Kind of ironic now that I think about it. Toss out the corrupt regime and replace it with a regime that tries to steal your hard earned money directly from your bank account.

Theres a simple solution for this you know :)
DOn't keep your money in the bank.
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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:49 pm

Russia has announced it is imposing sanctions on 9 officials of the Obama regime who have been instrumental in trying to provoke war -

1. Rep. John Boehner (R - Ohio)
2. Sen. John McCain (R - Arizona)
3. Sen. Harry Reid (D - Nevada)
4. Sen. Mary Landrieu (D - Louisiana)
5. Sen. Daniel Coats (R - Indiana)
6. Sen. Robert Menendez (D - New Jersey)
7. Caroline Atkinson (Deputy National Security Advisor)
8. Daniel Pfeiffer (regime's propaganda chief)
9. Benjamin Rhodes (Obama's speechwriter)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... lawmakers/
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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby Baron Von PWN on Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:52 pm

Here is a translation of Putin's speech on the anexation of Crimea. pretty interesting read. http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/6889


also this is very good article on the west's reaction to Russia's moves.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/916 ... ike-fools/
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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby GoranZ on Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:44 pm

Symmetry wrote:And/or his horse.

Seems like you will start hating horses now :lol:

DoomYoshi wrote:Russia annexing Crimea reminds me of Germany annexing Austria.

reminds you... what are the differences and similarities?

Pope Joan wrote:Al-Jazeera's coverage of Middle East is seriously warped and untrustworthy. But it does an excellent job covering objectively what happens in the west (Europe+Americas). In particular, their coverage of Crimea is factual and objective. Crimean tatars are not the focus of their coverage...

From what I have saw from their reports on TV it looked to me that they were cheering for the Crimean Tatars... Tho I haven't looked them since then because their reports were same as those from CNN and BBC.

DoomYoshi wrote:The EU is great. It is the first step in restoring the proper borders of Germany:
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Hahahahaha. This is for the first time when I agree with you more then 99%. The disagreement part is merely technical... Those are desired German borders, now and in the future :D Unless they start another world war and get busted again(then the existence of German state might be put on the table).
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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby Ray Rider on Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:09 am

Pope Joan wrote:
Ray Rider wrote: 4. The new government didn't call an election after ousting Yanukovych--they passed up the opportunity to legitimize the new government across the country.


They did: it is on 25th of May. They should have called parliamentary elections for this day as well.

Ray Rider wrote: 6. The new government's swift repeal of the Russian language law, contributing to instability in the country.


They tried to repeal it but the interim president did not sign the repeal. Thus, the repeal is not enacted. But it was, indeed, silly and contributed to instability.

But I share your general feeling and frustration. There are a lot of naughty boys up there deserving a good smack. Here is a good one to replace 4+6 for you:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2584974/Sit-animal-Angry-far-right-politicians-attack-Ukraine-TV-chief.html

Ahh, thanks for the corrections.

Baron Von PWN wrote:Here is a translation of Putin's speech on the anexation of Crimea. pretty interesting read. http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/6889


also this is very good article on the west's reaction to Russia's moves.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/916 ... ike-fools/

Definitely a very good article, although I disagree with the second last paragraph (as I've mentioned here in my last post).

saxitoxin wrote:Russia has announced it is imposing sanctions on 9 officials of the Obama regime who have been instrumental in trying to provoke war -

1. Rep. John Boehner (R - Ohio)
2. Sen. John McCain (R - Arizona)
3. Sen. Harry Reid (D - Nevada)
4. Sen. Mary Landrieu (D - Louisiana)
5. Sen. Daniel Coats (R - Indiana)
6. Sen. Robert Menendez (D - New Jersey)
7. Caroline Atkinson (Deputy National Security Advisor)
8. Daniel Pfeiffer (regime's propaganda chief)
9. Benjamin Rhodes (Obama's speechwriter)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... lawmakers/

lol Obama's sanctions are a joke and Russia's making fun of it by turning it back on them
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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby mrswdk on Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:37 am

As much as certain Ukrainian protestors and American politicians have been behaving like the bad guys, it's a good idea not to respond by just going 'oh, okay, go Putin LOL good for Russia'. By supporting Putin you are supporting an illegal secession of territory (which sets a precedent in which international law and territorial integrity mean shit) and politics that hark back to the era of imperialism (an era which ultimately led to the First World War).

However you feel about what 'the West' has been doing up until now, Russia's current behavior in Crimea is definitely way overboard.
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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:40 am

Long live the Chechen Republic -- may they finally gain independence.


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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby rishaed on Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:55 am

mrswdk wrote:As much as certain Ukrainian protestors and American politicians have been behaving like the bad guys, it's a good idea not to respond by just going 'oh, okay, go Putin LOL good for Russia'. By supporting Putin you are supporting an illegal secession of territory (which sets a precedent in which international law and territorial integrity mean shit) and politics that hark back to the era of imperialism (an era which ultimately led to the First World War).

However you feel about what 'the West' has been doing up until now, Russia's current behavior in Crimea is definitely way overboard.

However I think we can both agree that Russias current actions, have occurred because of instigations from the West/EU. Russia would not have had an excuse to step in like it has, without the coup occurring. If the initial referendum had been held I think US would be justified, but currently we (politically) are reaping what we sow.
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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:10 pm

rishaed wrote:
mrswdk wrote:As much as certain Ukrainian protestors and American politicians have been behaving like the bad guys, it's a good idea not to respond by just going 'oh, okay, go Putin LOL good for Russia'. By supporting Putin you are supporting an illegal secession of territory (which sets a precedent in which international law and territorial integrity mean shit) and politics that hark back to the era of imperialism (an era which ultimately led to the First World War).

However you feel about what 'the West' has been doing up until now, Russia's current behavior in Crimea is definitely way overboard.

However I think we can both agree that Russias current actions, have occurred because of instigations from the West/EU. Russia would not have had an excuse to step in like it has, without the coup occurring. If the initial referendum had been held I think US would be justified, but currently we (politically) are reaping what we sow.


excellent points =D>

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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby DoomYoshi on Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:10 pm

mrswdk wrote:As much as certain Ukrainian protestors and American politicians have been behaving like the bad guys, it's a good idea not to respond by just going 'oh, okay, go Putin LOL good for Russia'. By supporting Putin you are supporting an illegal secession of territory (which sets a precedent in which international law and territorial integrity mean shit) and politics that hark back to the era of imperialism (an era which ultimately led to the First World War).

However you feel about what 'the West' has been doing up until now, Russia's current behavior in Crimea is definitely way overboard.


We knew it would be overboard before it happened.

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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:12 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
mrswdk wrote:As much as certain Ukrainian protestors and American politicians have been behaving like the bad guys, it's a good idea not to respond by just going 'oh, okay, go Putin LOL good for Russia'. By supporting Putin you are supporting an illegal secession of territory (which sets a precedent in which international law and territorial integrity mean shit) and politics that hark back to the era of imperialism (an era which ultimately led to the First World War).

However you feel about what 'the West' has been doing up until now, Russia's current behavior in Crimea is definitely way overboard.


We knew it would be overboard before it happened.

Russia is the great evil in the world today.


sucky point :sick:

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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby Qwert on Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:19 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Long live the Chechen Republic -- may they finally gain independence.


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Long live the Republic of Lakotah---may they finally gain independence
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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:37 pm

Qwert wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:Long live the Chechen Republic -- may they finally gain independence.


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Long live the Republic of Lakotah---may they finally gain independence


Long live the Republic of Qwert -- may he finally gain independence!


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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby GoranZ on Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:43 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:Russia is the great evil in the world today.

Good joke :lol: :lol: :lol:

AndyDufresne wrote:Long live the Chechen Republic -- may they finally gain independence.


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mrswdk wrote:As much as certain Ukrainian protestors and American politicians have been behaving like the bad guys, it's a good idea not to respond by just going 'oh, okay, go Putin LOL good for Russia'. By supporting Putin you are supporting an illegal secession of territory (which sets a precedent in which international law and territorial integrity mean shit) and politics that hark back to the era of imperialism (an era which ultimately led to the First World War).

However you feel about what 'the West' has been doing up until now, Russia's current behavior in Crimea is definitely way overboard.

Are you sure? As far as I know First World War main reason was redistribution of colonies. And it seems to me that Crimea will not be a colony within Russia.
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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby DoomYoshi on Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:53 pm

If Russia is not the great evil, why when they invaded Ukraine did they not free the sex slaves?

It's because they support sex slavery.

Which means they support not only slavery, but rape.
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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby GoranZ on Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:56 pm

GoranZ wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Russia is the great evil in the world today.

Good joke :lol: :lol: :lol:


DoomYoshi wrote:If Russia is not the great evil, why when they invaded Ukraine did they not free the sex slaves?

It's because they support sex slavery.

Which means they support not only slavery, but rape.

Even better joke :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby Qwert on Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:13 pm

Interesting how in BBC news, you can not find comments in articles.

On CNN i can read people comments. And im surprised how many people see how US-EU pretend to forget what hapening in last 10 years ,and how they forget braking of international norms,and change in force other country goverments.

some comments:(pro-us,,neutral view, and pro russian)

President Obama does not approve and his wishes should take precedence. Pres Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize and knows more about foreign policy than anyone. Putin should give Crimea back.

PUTIN IS A TARGET!
YOU KEEP FOLLOWING HIM YOU WILL BE POOR AND HUNGRY AGAIN!

Tooooooooooo much power for one man, PUTIN, I think Russia need to be put back in their place in this world! Sneak Attack! Confuse them, and stop them in their tracks! Is this beginning of the anti Christ? If not the US have to make their move now! Enough talking! It time to act before this Putin gain way to much power and may even try to overtake the US!


Why did Obama drag us into this mess? We should have left it alone. Now he looks like a fool.


Putin is not the problem in this crisis. Ukraine tried to bully Russia using their Western allies as a stick. It backfired turning into a badly miscalculated political mistake. The Crimea has only been part of the Ukraine since 1954 and is mostly ethnic Russian making it not worth fighting for. The Ukraine rolled the dice and lost the Crimea. It could have been worse.

This shows how hypocrite the West is. The West just cares about its own interests and benefits, and doesn't care a straw about what the people of Crimea wants and their interests. They want to merge with Russia, but the West acts as if it's blind and deaf.

We did the same in Libya, Egypt, and Syria too. All 3 countries had about 1% willing to overthrow their regimes. We enabled 1% to wage bloody battles against their governments (even if they are scumballs). That is not how you conduct foreign policy but it was amateur hour foreign policy wise. Has been that way a while Bush Sr. Is the only one in the past few decades who foreign policy wise knew what he was doing.

By the way geopolitically Crimea is leverage for us to negotiate for lower energy prices from Russia mostly for the EU. By the way Germany is silent on this.

See if we can restrict Russia's access to the black sea we can negotiate lower energy prices or we can use it to put a dent in its military sales to other BRIC countries.
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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:55 pm

Who takes CNN seriously anymore? Some people still, but that is on the decline.

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Re: Congratulations people of Crimea

Postby GoranZ on Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:17 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Who takes CNN seriously anymore? Some people still, but that is on the decline.

Long live an independent Republic of Qwert!


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Sweet I guess you didn't knew that Qwert is referring Crimea as HIS LAND, so that can be considered as his Republic. Nice that you are supporting the good guys :)

And here are some of his men :P

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