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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby degaston on Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:04 am

universalchiro wrote:Bible says, "no one knows the day or hour... when the fig tree sprouts leaves you know the harvest is near".

Okay, but the Bible also says:
Mark 11:12-14 wrote:The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, ā€œMay no one ever eat fruit from you again.ā€ And his disciples heard him say it.

So apparently, Fig Newtons are a sin. Who knew? But I think the real message here is that if you do see the tree sprouting leaves ("signs"), and then you find that there is no fruit (Jesus does not return), then you should never eat that fruit again (abandon religion and never look back). Thus saith the Lord!

Also... Jesus lived in that area his whole life, and he was the son of God, right? But he didn't even know when figs were in season? And then he blames the tree? You're sure this is the guy you want to be following? I guess it's a good thing he was a carpenter, and not a farmer. But couldn't one of his disciples have told him that there wouldn't be any fruit before he schlepped his ass all the way over there? Sounds like he surrounded himself with a bunch of yes-men who were slaves to group-think, and too kowtowed by the whole "son of God" thing to tell him that he was going on a "fruitless" search for something that wasn't there. I think there's a lesson to be learned in there somewhere.

universalchiro wrote:@degaston: I like the Matrix reference :) BTW I agree with you that it seems every generation has claimed the Messiah is near. That's why in my opening post I listed some fulfilled prophecies that prior generations couldn't claim. Yet still I admit, Christ could arrive from 7 years from now to many decades from now, but I'm convinced He is Near. But you'll never read me proclaim a date. And yes the fig tree is figurative language for Israel. <> regarding Jesus is already here: He dwells within all believers, but His physical return to judge and reign from Jerusalem is near. Gweeedo didn't accuse me of not being a believer, nice try. It's simply that every knee will bow before Jesus, some in adoration (believers), most in humiliation (non-believers). So believers are commanded to proclaim the good news of Jesus and teach of the signs of His coming.

I'm glad you seem to have some sense of humor about this. I was just kidding about the Gweeedo thing, anyway. :lol:

I guess I misinterpreted your earlier statements that "There are many signs and fulfilled prophecies indicating we are near" and "He is within 7 years" to mean that 7 years was your prediction. Are you now saying that some of the signs have yet to appear? I don't have any solid data on this, but I imagine that everyone who makes a prediction about Jesus returning in the near future also claims that they have new information that prior generations did not. Though a lot of your signs seem to be getting a bit stale. And how, exactly, did you come about this list of signs? Are these actually from the Bible, or are you just spending too much time at bible prophecy sites?

BTW, I find no mention of hyperinflation in the Bible. Which version should I be searching in?
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:59 am

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thegreekdog wrote:Also, I giggled at the inclusion of hyper-inflation. Did they understand hyper-inflation in the aughts?


Yes, the Romans especially were quite familiar with inflation of very high proportions. It was a problem they struggled with. Of course, they didn't call it "inflation" but they certainly knew the effects and what caused it. Debasement of their coinage, which the Romans did from time to time.


They did? What writings are you referring to?
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby Symmetry on Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:08 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
patches70 wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:Also, I giggled at the inclusion of hyper-inflation. Did they understand hyper-inflation in the aughts?


Yes, the Romans especially were quite familiar with inflation of very high proportions. It was a problem they struggled with. Of course, they didn't call it "inflation" but they certainly knew the effects and what caused it. Debasement of their coinage, which the Romans did from time to time.


They did? What writings are you referring to?


Likely he's referring to something other than historical writing- numismatics.
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:34 am

UC wrote:B. When He shows up, He won't be the meek sacrificial lamb, quite the contrary. This coming will be infull glory, Majesty and He is coming with wrath of fire.


Fire? That's the best he can do? I would expect the creator of the universe to come with something a bit more potent than fire. Does he rid the world of all the fire extinguishers before he comes?

"Oh noez, Jesus torched my house. Guess I better call the fire department."

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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby Symmetry on Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:41 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
UC wrote:B. When He shows up, He won't be the meek sacrificial lamb, quite the contrary. This coming will be infull glory, Majesty and He is coming with wrath of fire.


Fire? That's the best he can do? I would expect the creator of the universe to come with something a bit more potent than fire. Does he rid the world of all the fire extinguishers before he comes?

"Oh noez, Jesus torched my house. Guess I better call the fire department."

-TG


He's not allowed to use rain at least. Because of the rainbows.
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby Gweeedo on Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:40 am

Jesus was Hungry, heading towered a fig tree (seeing it was full of leaves) he finds (no fruit) nothing but leaves.
This tree was an exception (out of season and full of leaves), it had all the signs of producing fruit, yet there was no fruit.

Even though you can see all the signs, you still don't/wont get it...you will curse God all the same.
Bible is of little use to those who are not hungry in spirit.

Quote, degaston: BTW, I find no mention of hyperinflation in the Bible. Which version should I be searching in. end quote:
Pick any version you wish, pray for understanding and 'go' to God...he will produce fruit.
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby Symmetry on Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:54 am

Gweeedo wrote:Jesus was Hungry, heading towered a fig tree (seeing it was full of leaves) he finds (no fruit) nothing but leaves.
This tree was an exception (out of season and full of leaves), it had all the signs of producing fruit, yet there was no fruit.

Even though you can see all the signs, you still don't/wont get it...you will curse God all the same.
Bible is of little use to those who are not hungry in spirit.

Quote, degaston: BTW, I find no mention of hyperinflation in the Bible. Which version should I be searching in. end quote:
Pick any version you wish, pray for understanding and 'go' to God...he will produce fruit.


Huh?
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby Gweeedo on Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:59 am

Symmetry wrote:
Gweeedo wrote:Jesus was Hungry, heading towered a fig tree (seeing it was full of leaves) he finds (no fruit) nothing but leaves.
This tree was an exception (out of season and full of leaves), it had all the signs of producing fruit, yet there was no fruit.

Even though you can see all the signs, you still don't/wont get it...you will curse God all the same.
Bible is of little use to those who are not hungry in spirit.

Quote, degaston: BTW, I find no mention of hyperinflation in the Bible. Which version should I be searching in. end quote:
Pick any version you wish, pray for understanding and 'go' to God...he will produce fruit.


Huh?


Edit: oops, i forgot quote...
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby Symmetry on Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:01 am

Gweeedo wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Gweeedo wrote:Jesus was Hungry, heading towered a fig tree (seeing it was full of leaves) he finds (no fruit) nothing but leaves.
This tree was an exception (out of season and full of leaves), it had all the signs of producing fruit, yet there was no fruit.

Even though you can see all the signs, you still don't/wont get it...you will curse God all the same.
Bible is of little use to those who are not hungry in spirit.

Quote, degaston: BTW, I find no mention of hyperinflation in the Bible. Which version should I be searching in. end quote:
Pick any version you wish, pray for understanding and 'go' to God...he will produce fruit.


Huh?


Exactly!


Well, this has all become clear now.
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby betiko on Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:09 am

I am amazed that people that are educated and have experience in life can write such things and believe in it.
As long as it s writting down these stuff on internet so we can all have a laugh and you re not putting your moral pressure on anyone around you i guess it s okay though.
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby kuthoer on Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:30 am

Religion is the opiate of the masses.

Thus it should be regulated and taxed.
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby Symmetry on Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:35 am

kuthoer wrote:Religion is the opiate of the masses.

Thus it should be regulated and taxed.


There are religions without regulations?
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby kuthoer on Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:27 am

Symmetry wrote:
kuthoer wrote:Religion is the opiate of the masses.

Thus it should be regulated and taxed.


There are religions without regulations?


I'm not referring to self-regulation within religious institutions, as that only corrupts and rots the business model.
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby Symmetry on Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:32 am

kuthoer wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
kuthoer wrote:Religion is the opiate of the masses.

Thus it should be regulated and taxed.


There are religions without regulations?


I'm not referring to self-regulation within religious institutions, as that only corrupts and rots the business model.


There are religions which don't have regulations about other religious beliefs?
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby degaston on Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:59 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
UC wrote:B. When He shows up, He won't be the meek sacrificial lamb, quite the contrary. This coming will be infull glory, Majesty and He is coming with wrath of fire.


Fire? That's the best he can do? I would expect the creator of the universe to come with something a bit more potent than fire. Does he rid the world of all the fire extinguishers before he comes?

"Oh noez, Jesus torched my house. Guess I better call the fire department."

-TG

I was hoping he would come with dinosaurs. That would be AWESOME!
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby warmonger1981 on Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:21 am

Jehovah Witnesses believe Jesus has been on earth since nineteen-fourteen. Moorish Muslims believe Dr. Drew Ali was the last prophet.
Some people believe that our current technology of tracking is the mark of the beast.

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Why would God come to earth in the form of a human an allow himself to be crucified?
Wouldn't a just and loving God just set up heaven on earth at that moment instead of letting millions upon millions to die in the future?
Wasn't religion created out of ignorance. A man of God needs no formal religion. I don't see the difference between the wrong a d the wrong.
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby kuthoer on Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:30 am

Your God was nailed to a cross. My God Thor has a hammer....who's God would you choose?
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby jonesthecurl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:05 am

Odin had a similar experience though.
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby universalchiro on Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:17 am

The Coming Messiah will arrive 7 years after the tribulation which is commenced with a 7 year peace treaty. At the mid-point 1260 days, the Anti-Christ will put an end to temple sacrifices (which means temple will be built), initiates an abomination that leaves the temple desolate, by declaring himself worthy to be worshiped.
When will the 7 year tribulation start, when one sees fulfilled prophecies such as on page one of this thread.

@ degaston: LOL Fig Newtons were invented by Sir Isaac Newton. You're way off :lol: At first glance this fig tree incident and for that matter the whole theme of the Bible is complete foolishness. But with closer inspection there unveils a deep level of truth that is a mystery to most and mind boggling to believers. When Jesus cursed the Fig tree, he was teaching that even an authentic Fig tree that doesn't bear fruit is useless. Paralleling with believers that are not useful to the King and don't produce fruit (share the gospel/obey/win souls to God) are also useless and may find their life cut short for lack of use (not loose salvation, but removed from taking up vital opportunities to share the gospel).
So it wasn't that Jesus didn't know the two seasons that fig trees produce fruit, because the Bible clearly states "Jesus knowing all things", so He was teaching a truth. He followed this teaching with if you tell this mountain to be cast into the sea and you have faith, it will be done. The location where Jesus was standing when He said this was Bethany by the Dead Sea/Salt sea. And Ezekiel prophesied that that very mountain would be eroded into the dead sea after the Coming of the Messiah.
The listed signs getting a bit stale: Well I started with the best signs on page one. How did I come about this list of signs? Pink kool-aid LOL. They are in the Bible. Many people have purported this information before me, none of were discovered by me. but I read them myself to confirm indeed that a sign has been fulfilled. The signs aren't located in one concise verse, they are mingled throughout the prophetical writings of the end times.
Hyper-inflation: "...black horse; and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand...'A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius...'." A days wage for one meal for one person. that's famine conditions and a meal costing an entire days wage, where today a meal cost $7 and average days wage is $100+ = >1,000% inflation by my cursory math. Search in NKJ, NASV or NIV, great versions with same message, but with variations of synonyms and modes of communicating.

@betiko: I agree, believers should never pressure/force their beliefs on anyone. Believers are commanded to share and teach, not force this on anyone. For that will only push them away or produce a false conversion. both are really bad. This is why the Bible gives warnings for those who teach that a stricter code and stronger judgment for teachers that lead people astray.

@oVo: What if Jesus is black: You posted this many pages earlier. Jesus when He was born of Mary was the same color of skin as Israelis today. He for sure wasn't white with blue eyes. In fact Isaiah 53 reveals that Jesus had nor stately form nor majesty that we should look upon Him. In other words He wasn't taller nor stronger than average. In fact as many times as He fasted and for the length of time of fasting I presume He was quite frail in physical stature. Furthermore, the verse goes on to say Jesus had no appearance that we should be attracted to Him. Meaning He was not handsome. So this proves He was not black :)

@warmonger1981: Great question, on the surface this indicates the foolishness of the Bible. What God in their right mind would A. subject their only begotten Son to such severe beating & be pleased to be the one orchestrating this beating and crucifixion (Isaiah 53:10) for a band of humans that are unworthy. And B. why knowing that mankind would reject God, why even create us.
If we were trillionaires and wanted to woo a strumpet, how would we know that said strumpet loves us for who we are and not pulling the proverbial Anna Nicole Smith marrying the 89yr old billionaire. We would veil our trillions and when said sweetheart still falls in love with us, then we know 100% that she loves us for who we are, not what we have.

We were created with the same characteristics of God (Genesis 1:27), so God is doing the very same thing. When God in the flesh showed up 2,000 years ago, He did it poor, not handsome and proclaimed His Kingdom, His majesty and now when one believes in Jesus as Lord and savior, it's based on who Jesus is, not what we can get out of it. This is why the Bible says, better to believe without seeing proof of miracles and seeing Jesus face to face in His shining glory, but merely from reading and hearing the Word of Jesus from the Bible. This is that we have free will to chose or reject God.

@kuthoer: I chose the God in the Bible. But I concede your god is very entertaining to watch wield his hammer.

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Another sign of the end times is the rampant acceptance of what was formally classified as sinful behavior, but now classified as a normal.
Another sign is a change of times: When people referenced the past they would say in the "x" year BC (Before Christ), now it's being called BCE (Before Common Era or Before Current Era). People use to call recent history as "x" year AD (latin for the year of our Lord), now it's called CE (Current Era or Common Era).
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:22 pm

Gweeedo wrote:Jesus was Hungry, heading towered a fig tree (seeing it was full of leaves) he finds (no fruit) nothing but leaves.
This tree was an exception (out of season and full of leaves), it had all the signs of producing fruit, yet there was no fruit.

Even though you can see all the signs, you still don't/wont get it...you will curse God all the same.
Bible is of little use to those who are not hungry in spirit.

Quote, degaston: BTW, I find no mention of hyperinflation in the Bible. Which version should I be searching in. end quote:
Pick any version you wish, pray for understanding and 'go' to God...he will produce fruit.


So you make up the fruit as you wish to see it?

Out with the logic, in with the imagination!
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:24 pm

universalchiro wrote:The Coming Messiah will arrive 7 years after the tribulation which is commenced with a 7 year peace treaty. At the mid-point 1260 days, the Anti-Christ will put an end to temple sacrifices (which means temple will be built), initiates an abomination that leaves the temple desolate, by declaring himself worthy to be worshiped.
When will the 7 year tribulation start, when one sees fulfilled prophecies such as on page one of this thread.

@ degaston: LOL Fig Newtons were invented by Sir Isaac Newton. You're way off :lol: At first glance this fig tree incident and for that matter the whole theme of the Bible is complete foolishness. But with closer inspection there unveils a deep level of truth that is a mystery to most and mind boggling to believers.


Sure, but upon an even closer inspection an even deeper level of truth is revealed, and this truth confirms the first glance about how this is a bunch of foolishness.
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby crispybits on Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:13 pm

Sorry, it just tips over the 10 minutes which is generally my standard maximum for entering a debate with a video but the video is just proof - my point is that bible prophecy is a ridiculous pasttime of the borderline sectionable...



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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby Gweeedo on Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:39 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Gweeedo wrote:Jesus was Hungry, heading towered a fig tree (seeing it was full of leaves) he finds (no fruit) nothing but leaves.
This tree was an exception (out of season and full of leaves), it had all the signs of producing fruit, yet there was no fruit.

Even though you can see all the signs, you still don't/wont get it...you will curse God all the same.
Bible is of little use to those who are not hungry in spirit.

Quote, degaston: BTW, I find no mention of hyperinflation in the Bible. Which version should I be searching in. end quote:
Pick any version you wish, pray for understanding and 'go' to God...he will produce fruit.


So you make up the fruit as you wish to see it?

Out with the logic, in with the imagination!


The fig trees around Jerusalem normally begin to get leaves in March or April but do not produce figs until their leaves are all out in June. This tree was an exception in that it was already, at passover time, full of leaves. A tree full of leaves normally should have fruit, but this one was cursed because it had none.
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby jonesthecurl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:26 pm

So couldn't Jesus just magic some food up like he did with the loaves and fishes?
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Re: Coming Messiah

Postby AndyDufresne on Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:52 am

I saw a shooting star earlier tonight. I think it is a sign the Messiah is near. Or maybe it was the Messiah. I can't be sure. I'll investigate in the morning. And by investigate, I mean I'll watch some March Madness.


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