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Army of GOD wrote:mrswdk wrote:Armegawd wrote:my dick is immeasurable
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mrswdk wrote:And morality is not a question of 'well-being', it is a question of 'right' and 'wrong'. People do not necessarily connect 'right' with 'creating well-being' and 'wrong' with 'reducing well-being'.
Some people would say that if you have cheated on your wife then the moral thing to do is not to lie to her but to tell her the truth (thereby causing her anguish and destroying your marriage). I fail to see how that act of 'morality' would create well-being.
muy_thaiguy wrote:mrswdk wrote:And morality is not a question of 'well-being', it is a question of 'right' and 'wrong'. People do not necessarily connect 'right' with 'creating well-being' and 'wrong' with 'reducing well-being'.
Some people would say that if you have cheated on your wife then the moral thing to do is not to lie to her but to tell her the truth (thereby causing her anguish and destroying your marriage). I fail to see how that act of 'morality' would create well-being.
Wouldn't the moral thing to do in that situation, would be to not cheat in the first place?
I know it was only an example, but maybe not the best one to pick from.
BigBallinStalin wrote:Science should frame morality since theory and empirical evidence play an important role in (1) constraining the expectations of people's moral philosophies and (2) distinguishing imaginary opportunities from actual opportunities.For example, throughout the late 1800s and especially during the 1960s in the US, beliefs in the success of socialism were very strong because the claims predominantly rested on moral claims and little on scientific claims. Note how much people ignored the Socialist Calculation debate where Mises and Hayek explained in the 1940s how socialism would fall short of its goals. The argument of Mises and Hayek was perhaps not convincing enough because (a) it didn't appeal to people's emotions and (b) it was totally theoretical. Nevertheless, their criticism of socialism is still correct and has been empirically validated enough. The problem is that it's more difficult to explain how this is so--compared to chanting socialist slogans. Also note how the socialist professors have largely dropped from the scientific departments and into the more fuzzy-scientific or science-devoid departments (e.g. sociology and philosophy).
Faith in government is a fun example. Many are often too hasty for attributing too much credit to government for a variety of successes.
A main problem about science constraining morality is that it's difficult to separate the normative from the positive. My first sentence of this post is a normative claim about the role of science on moral philosophy (it's a policy recommendation), and it's a positive claim which states that science is useful for updating people's normative claims.
kuthoer wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Science should frame morality since theory and empirical evidence play an important role in (1) constraining the expectations of people's moral philosophies and (2) distinguishing imaginary opportunities from actual opportunities.For example, throughout the late 1800s and especially during the 1960s in the US, beliefs in the success of socialism were very strong because the claims predominantly rested on moral claims and little on scientific claims. Note how much people ignored the Socialist Calculation debate where Mises and Hayek explained in the 1940s how socialism would fall short of its goals. The argument of Mises and Hayek was perhaps not convincing enough because (a) it didn't appeal to people's emotions and (b) it was totally theoretical. Nevertheless, their criticism of socialism is still correct and has been empirically validated enough. The problem is that it's more difficult to explain how this is so--compared to chanting socialist slogans. Also note how the socialist professors have largely dropped from the scientific departments and into the more fuzzy-scientific or science-devoid departments (e.g. sociology and philosophy).
Faith in government is a fun example. Many are often too hasty for attributing too much credit to government for a variety of successes.
A main problem about science constraining morality is that it's difficult to separate the normative from the positive. My first sentence of this post is a normative claim about the role of science on moral philosophy (it's a policy recommendation), and it's a positive claim which states that science is useful for updating people's normative claims.
Does anyone really understand what the heck he's typing? Or is it necessary to use words and phrases that "normative" people don't understand?
kuthoer wrote:Science by the way has NOTHING TO DO WITH MORALITY.
patches70 wrote:
Moral Behavior is any behavior that ensures the continuation of one's species. Any action that contributes to the species so that the species doesn't go extinct, is moral.
For if a species is extinct it cannot be moral or otherwise because the individuals of that species no longer exist!
BigBallinStalin wrote:kuthoer wrote:Science by the way has NOTHING TO DO WITH MORALITY.
Oh, how so?
kuthoer wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:kuthoer wrote:Science by the way has NOTHING TO DO WITH MORALITY.
Oh, how so?
Since you want me to check out your ridiculous use of words on wiki, why don't you check wiki about SCIENCE.
Later my long winded poster.
DoomYoshi wrote:kuthoer wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:kuthoer wrote:Science by the way has NOTHING TO DO WITH MORALITY.
Oh, how so?
Since you want me to check out your ridiculous use of words on wiki, why don't you check wiki about SCIENCE.
Later my long winded poster.
scientia means knowledge.
are you implying that morality doesn't exist and therefore you can't know it?
If you think BBS is obtuse, you should read some modern drosophila genetics papers.
DoomYoshi wrote:How do you know that morality changes from Iran to the US without science?
You can say that, and we could take a poll or whatever (do a rape experiment?). Either it's true, and science will prove it, or what you said isn't true, and science will debunk you.
kuthoer wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:kuthoer wrote:Science by the way has NOTHING TO DO WITH MORALITY.
Oh, how so?
Since you want me to check out your ridiculous use of words on wiki, why don't you check wiki about SCIENCE.
Later my long winded poster.
crispybits wrote:Do you agree? Can we get to morality through scientific methods and reasoning alone or should science stay mute on this topic?
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