Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

[BigBallinStalin]

Russia is a mess, who the heck wants to emigrate there, except for North Koreans.

Russia's population is aging, drunk and out of touch with REAL NEWS, as Putin and his kleptocrats keep the news media under their thumb.

Russians will one day wake up from their drunken stupor and nab Putin and hang his corpse in the Red Square.

So, what sources do you have for your claims? Where's your evidence about Russia inevitably declining and about China imploding or whatever?

[kuthoer]

Russia is a mess, who the heck wants to emigrate there, except for North Koreans.

Russia's population is aging, drunk and out of touch with REAL NEWS, as Putin and his kleptocrats keep the news media under their thumb.

Russians will one day wake up from their drunken stupor and nab Putin and hang his corpse in the Red Square.

So, what sources do you have for your claims? Where's your evidence about Russia inevitably declining and about China imploding or whatever?

Stalin honey, not going to be your circus act and jump through hoops for you.

The only thing that prevents Russians from shoving their collective feet up Putin's ass is cheap booze, da. China has, just like Russia, labor camps to re-educate those being silly enough to question their political leaders.

China has to steal from companies around the world to keep their economic engine running, since their educational system sucks for the average citizen.

If it wasn't for foreign investment and technology in Russian oil/gas fields, Russia would go bankrupt. Russia is basically an empty shell that's being propped up by oil/gas. Oh wait....vodka production too.

[BigBallinStalin]

Since you have no evidence, then how do you know that your beliefs are correct?

[Dukasaur]

Since you have no evidence, then how do you know that your beliefs are correct?

Phshaw!

[kuthoer]

Since you have no evidence, then how do you know that your beliefs are correct?

Phshaw!

Ha-ha-ha, sorry won't be jumping through flaming loops for Stalin.

[kuthoer]

Since you have no evidence, then how do you know that your beliefs are correct?

Ok, show me evidence how the "ruble" is increasing in value against the American dollar and while you're at it show us how the Russian economy is growing compared to the EU and US.

GOOD LUCK! Make sure your post is up to date, comrade.

[GoranZ]

Russian currency is in decline and depend on western know how to keep their oil/gas production from declining.

China has all sorts of problems with corruption and keeping their populace in line.

Russian and Chinese trade pacts have no effect on the world market.

LMAO

Goranz accused you of watching CNN for news. He was obviously being generous.

Yup it seems he is watching CNN but he is only understanding up to 10% of them

China has to steal from companies around the world to keep their economic engine running, since their educational system sucks for the average citizen.

China is stealing from companies around the world? You claim that Russians are on vodka, but the interesting question is on what drug are you? I bet it is something very strong planned for use on animals.

Chinese educational system sucks? I bet literally every Chinese that has similar education as yours will outperform you multiple times. Not that the Chinese are exceptionally smart but you are exceptionally dumb

[kuthoer]

Russian currency is in decline and depend on western know how to keep their oil/gas production from declining.

China has all sorts of problems with corruption and keeping their populace in line.

Russian and Chinese trade pacts have no effect on the world market.

LMAO

Goranz accused you of watching CNN for news. He was obviously being generous.

Yup it seems he is watching CNN but he is only understanding up to 10% of them

China has to steal from companies around the world to keep their economic engine running, since their educational system sucks for the average citizen.

China is stealing from companies around the world? You claim that Russians are on vodka, but the interesting question is on what drug are you? I bet it is something very strong planned for use on animals.

Chinese educational system sucks? I bet literally every Chinese that has similar education as yours will outperform you multiple times. Not that the Chinese are exceptionally smart but you are exceptionally dumb

Comrade Gonads, why do rich Chinese, Russians and Arabs send their children to American Universities, da?

...and Russians have one of the highest rate of alcoholism in the world, can't blame them tho considering the advantages of lousy jobs, pay and dying young.

Cheers!

[Dukasaur]

China has to steal from companies around the world to keep their economic engine running, since their educational system sucks for the average citizen.

China is stealing from companies around the world? You claim that Russians are on vodka, but the interesting question is on what drug are you? I bet it is something very strong planned for use on animals.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2014/05/industrial-espionage

That China’s government spies on the commercial activities of companies in America is not news in itself. Last year Mandiant, a cyber-security firm based in Virginia, released a report that identified Unit 61398 of the PLA as the source of cyber-attacks against 140 companies since 2006. But the indictment does reveal more details about what sorts of things the Chinese cyber-snoops have been snaffling.

Hackers stole designs for pipes from Westinghouse, an American firm, when it was building four nuclear power stations in China, and also took e-mails from executives who were negotiating with a state-owned company. They took financial information from SolarWorld, a maker of solar panels; gained access to computers owned by US Steel while it was in a trade dispute with a state-owned company; and took e-mails and files from Alcoa, an aluminium producer, while it was taking part in a joint venture with another Chinese government-backed firm. ATI, another metal firm, and the United Steelworkers union were hacked, too.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-03-14/inside-the-chinese-boom-in-corporate-espionage

There have been a large number of corporate spying cases involving China recently, and they are coming to light as President Barack Obama and the U.S., along with Japan and the European Union, have filed a formal complaint to the World Trade Organization over China’s unfair trading practices. The complaint includes the hoarding of rare earths, the metals required for the manufacture of other green energy technologies such as batteries for hybrid vehicles.

In November, 14 U.S. intelligence agencies issued a report describing a far-reaching industrial espionage campaign by Chinese spy agencies. This campaign has been in the works for years and targets a swath of industries: biotechnology, telecommunications, and nanotechnology, as well as clean energy. One U.S. metallurgical company lost technology to China’s hackers that cost $1 billion and 20 years to develop, U.S. officials said last year. An Apple (AAPL) global supply manager pled guilty in 2011 to funneling designs and pricing information to China and other countries; a Ford Motor (F) engineer was sentenced to six years in prison in 2010 for trying to smuggle 4,000 documents, including design specs, to China. Earlier this month, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration told Congress that China-based hackers had gained access to sensitive files stored on computers at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/527461/how-the-us-could-escalate-its-name-and-shame-campaign-against-chinas-espionage/

Since 2011 the U.S. government has warned China several times about industrial espionage. President Obama raised the issue in his 2013 summit with President Xi Jinping. Have you seen any decrease in the theft of information from U.S. companies?

It’s continued pretty unabated over the last number of years. The tradecraft has changed a little bit in response to public information put out—new tools and exploits—but at the end of the day they’re continuing operations. There are still plenty of people doing this and more and more victims.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/19/us-chinese-military-officials-cyber-espionage

http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/20/news/china-espionage-business/

China's use of economic espionage can be attributed in part to its drive to modernize the country in recent decades, a transformation spearheaded by leaders including Deng Xiaoping.

The illicit acquisition of technology has helped China accelerate the process, bypassing problems that would otherwise require years of research and development to resolve, analysts say.

The campaign has targeted industries from agriculture to aviation and computing. Monday's indictment indicated that recent targets included a solar panel manufacturer, aluminum and steel producers and a company that designs nuclear power plants.

In its quest for new technologies, China has been equally enthusiastic in securing trade secrets for use in both military and civilian applications. And the country's intelligence services don't always use highly trained spies to steal; some recruits are just sympathetic students and engineers.

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=ca90416e-fe77-4b8d-ae59-a4e9f55b6441&k=26688

OTTAWA -- Canada's foreign affairs minister says he wants to crack down on Chinese spies who are stealing industrial and high-technology secrets at a tremendous cost to the economy.

"It's something that we want to signal we are prepared to address and continue to raise with the Chinese at the appropriate time," Peter MacKay told CTV.

MacKay raised concerns of the release earlier this month in China of the RedBerry, an imitation of Canada's BlackBerry handheld device, made by Research in Motion based in Waterloo, Ont.

The Canadian Security Intelligence Service has been investigating economic espionage involving China, although it does not name the country specifically in background and annual reports posted on its website.

"The damage to Canadian interests takes the form of lost contracts, jobs and markets and overall, a diminished competitive advantage," CSIS reported in a 2004 paper.

"Information and technology that has been the target of economic espionage includes trade and pricing information, investment strategy, contract details, supplier lists, planning documents, research and development data, technical drawings and computer databases."

Sectors considered sensitive and likely targets of foreign interest, CSIS says, include aerospace, biotechnology, chemicals, communications, information technology, mining, nuclear energy, oil and environmental technologies.

Foreign students and scientists, business delegations and Chinese immigrants are among those used as informants, says the spy agency.

"The most frequently used collection method is the recruitment of someone who has access to the information (employees, contractors, consultants, students, etc.). However, other methods include break-ins, briefcase tampering, photocopying, garbage retrieval and communications interception," the report says.

News reports last year said there are as many as 1,000 Chinese economic spies operating in Canada.

[BigBallinStalin]

Since you have no evidence, then how do you know that your beliefs are correct?

Ok, show me evidence how the "ruble" is increasing in value against the American dollar and while you're at it show us how the Russian economy is growing compared to the EU and US.

GOOD LUCK! Make sure your post is up to date, comrade.

What's your theory on exchange rates and economic growth? From what I know, the relative value of a currency compared to a select few currencies doesn't mean much--in terms of real economic growth. If the ruble is increasing in value relative to other countries' currencies (with which Russia trades), then that's not good in the sense that Russian exports will be more expansive. It could also mean that there's deflation occurring within Russia, and that's a monetary policy issue. So, anyway, please enlighten us with your theories on exchange rates and monetary policy.

Russia is still expected to grow:
http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press- ... -report-31

It's not awesome growth rates, but we're missing your predicted inevitable collapse and what not.

It's commonly known that China will keep getting ridiculous growth. It's main, underlying problems are 'shadow banking', made by provincial governments and whose impact is unknown. Eventually, it's very likely that China will hit some economic bust, but it'll rebound--like every other country of similar economic institutions and development have experienced.

We're still not seeing any evidence of your bold claims. Again, you'll need evidence, which apparently you avoid. Why is that? A quick google search can correct your erroneous beliefs, but you keep refusing to learn. Why?

[BigBallinStalin]

Yeah, it's a fact that many Chinese firms reverse engineer and engage in corporate espionage. That shouldn't be up for debate.

[patches70]

We're still not seeing any evidence of your bold claims. Again, you'll need evidence, which apparently you avoid. Why is that? A quick google search can correct your erroneous beliefs, but you keep refusing to learn. Why?

kuethor's evidence is his bigotry toward Russia and China. That's about the only thing I see spewing from his keyboard. To kuethor Russians are just vodka swilling drunks and the Chinese are ignorant thieves.

I'm not sure appealing to kuethor's reason will have any effect, BBS.

[GoranZ]

Comrade Gonads, why do rich Chinese, Russians and Arabs send their children to American Universities, da?

Führer kuthoer, so they can learn how Western Society works from first hand. That knowledge is usually used when it comes to trade
Unfortunately this kind of thinking is above your capabilities.

China has to steal from companies around the world to keep their economic engine running, since their educational system sucks for the average citizen.

China is stealing from companies around the world? You claim that Russians are on vodka, but the interesting question is on what drug are you? I bet it is something very strong planned for use on animals.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2014/05/industrial-espionage
...
News reports last year said there are as many as 1,000 Chinese economic spies operating in Canada.

Don't bother... Industrial espionage has happened, and will happen now and in the future. And is not limited to China. If you think that Canada or US are not conducting industrial espionage then you are extremely naive. Probably every country in the world is conducting industrial espionage when they have chance. And I doubt anyone will stop any time soon.
Usually West are big cry babies and they unwell industrial espionage events, while China isn't bothering much

[patches70]

Don't bother... Industrial espionage has happened, and will happen now and in the future. And is not limited to China. If you think that Canada or US are not conducting industrial espionage then you are extremely naive. Probably every country in the world is conducting industrial espionage when they have chance. And I doubt anyone will stop any time soon.
Usually West are big cry babies and they unwell industrial espionage events, while China isn't bothering much

To be fair, Goranz, China takes it to a whole other level. A few years ago a Chinese company stole something like 600K hologram thing a ma bobs from IBM. The Chinese government prosecuted the company, gave them a fine of around $300 (LOL) while IBM claimed the theft cost them some $30 million.

Yeah, China is pretty bad when it comes to stealing tech. But it is China, when dealing with them one should keep that in mind. Oh, and just saying "Well everyone else does it too!" isn't a defense of China's actions, not in the slightest.

That's a Tu quoque argument, an appeal to hypocrisy and it's fallacy. Just because the west might do it does not invalidate Dukasaur's position at all.

[BigBallinStalin]

We're still not seeing any evidence of your bold claims. Again, you'll need evidence, which apparently you avoid. Why is that? A quick google search can correct your erroneous beliefs, but you keep refusing to learn. Why?

kuethor's evidence is his bigotry toward Russia and China. That's about the only thing I see spewing from his keyboard. To kuethor Russians are just vodka swilling drunks and the Chinese are ignorant thieves.

I'm not sure appealing to kuethor's reason will have any effect, BBS.

Haha, of course, it won't. I'm just letting kutheor double-down on his bigoted views about people he doesn't know. For an alleged socialist, he oddly doesn't give a shit about solidarity across national borders, but he fits the national socialist type pretty well.

[kuthoer]

We're still not seeing any evidence of your bold claims. Again, you'll need evidence, which apparently you avoid. Why is that? A quick google search can correct your erroneous beliefs, but you keep refusing to learn. Why?

kuethor's evidence is his bigotry toward Russia and China. That's about the only thing I see spewing from his keyboard. To kuethor Russians are just vodka swilling drunks and the Chinese are ignorant thieves.

I'm not sure appealing to kuethor's reason will have any effect, BBS.

Haha, of course, it won't. I'm just letting kutheor double-down on his bigoted views about people he doesn't know. For an alleged socialist, he oddly doesn't give a shit about solidarity across national borders, but he fits the national socialist type pretty well.

WTF? Solidarity across borders, really? You morons want to knock the EU and the US, but think Russia and China are bastions of freedom and goodwill to their neighbors?

You, Gonads and Saxi are either role playing or completely devoid of gray matter.

[BigBallinStalin]

Again, you don't provide any evidence to support your claims. I don't see how making strawmans is really going to dig you out of your bigoted hole.

Finally, it seems we've got a good bit of evidence to conclude that you're a dumb national socialist.

[saxitoxin]

We're still not seeing any evidence of your bold claims. Again, you'll need evidence, which apparently you avoid. Why is that? A quick google search can correct your erroneous beliefs, but you keep refusing to learn. Why?

kuethor's evidence is his bigotry toward Russia and China. That's about the only thing I see spewing from his keyboard. To kuethor Russians are just vodka swilling drunks and the Chinese are ignorant thieves.

I'm not sure appealing to kuethor's reason will have any effect, BBS.

Haha, of course, it won't. I'm just letting kutheor double-down on his bigoted views about people he doesn't know. For an alleged socialist, he oddly doesn't give a shit about solidarity across national borders, but he fits the national socialist type pretty well.

WTF? Solidarity across borders, really? You morons want to knock the EU and the US, but think Russia and China are bastions of freedom and goodwill to their neighbors?

cool story, McCain

The United National Anti-War Coalition will be presenting a seminar at The Left Forum in New York this week called "The New Face of U.S. Imperialist Wars." Will Kuthoer be protesting outside in white sheets?

(The legendary Cindy Sheehan interviewed UNAC leader Joe Lombardo on her podcast about U.S. warmongering in Ukraine - http://cindysheehanssoapbox.blogspot.co ... ay-18.html)

[GoranZ]

Don't bother... Industrial espionage has happened, and will happen now and in the future. And is not limited to China. If you think that Canada or US are not conducting industrial espionage then you are extremely naive. Probably every country in the world is conducting industrial espionage when they have chance. And I doubt anyone will stop any time soon.
Usually West are big cry babies and they unwell industrial espionage events, while China isn't bothering much

To be fair, Goranz, China takes it to a whole other level. A few years ago a Chinese company stole something like 600K hologram thing a ma bobs from IBM. The Chinese government prosecuted the company, gave them a fine of around $300 (LOL) while IBM claimed the theft cost them some $30 million.

Yeah, China is pretty bad when it comes to stealing tech. But it is China, when dealing with them one should keep that in mind. Oh, and just saying "Well everyone else does it too!" isn't a defense of China's actions, not in the slightest.

That's a Tu quoque argument, an appeal to hypocrisy and it's fallacy. Just because the west might do it does not invalidate Dukasaur's position at all.

I never said that China isn't doing it, I only said that everyone else is doing it all the time. Since I work in IT sector I'll disclose some spicy secret... Large amount of hacker attacks cumming from China actually are coming from PC's from China that are actually hacked previously. So large amount of attacks on American companies are actually made from Westerners. Why? Because China isn't bothering a lot, they dont share any info with Americans, and they wont admit that they have been exploited When I say large amounts I can not say how large since no one in the world doesn't know. It could be 20% or 70% but no one knows. Theoretically if I want to hack into American company I would do it threw Chinese IP address(threw hacked Chinese PC/Server) , its simply the best way to do it.

We're still not seeing any evidence of your bold claims. Again, you'll need evidence, which apparently you avoid. Why is that? A quick google search can correct your erroneous beliefs, but you keep refusing to learn. Why?

kuethor's evidence is his bigotry toward Russia and China. That's about the only thing I see spewing from his keyboard. To kuethor Russians are just vodka swilling drunks and the Chinese are ignorant thieves.

I'm not sure appealing to kuethor's reason will have any effect, BBS.

Haha, of course, it won't. I'm just letting kutheor double-down on his bigoted views about people he doesn't know. For an alleged socialist, he oddly doesn't give a shit about solidarity across national borders, but he fits the national socialist type pretty well.

WTF? Solidarity across borders, really? You morons want to knock the EU and the US, but think Russia and China are bastions of freedom and goodwill to their neighbors?

You, Gonads and Saxi are either role playing or completely devoid of gray matter.

So you think that everyone is wrong except you... Hmmm that doesn't work in real world, and you obviously are living in a box

Only NAZIS can do this: http://en.itar-tass.com/world/732800

[kuthoer]

Ok boys, I'm a bigot....just hate those white boys.

[GoranZ]

Ok boys, I'm a bigot....

White flag suits you

News from Ukraine... Professionalism in the Ukraine Army... Ukrainian aviation attacking Ukrainian ground forces


Straight of the Ukrainian Army against unarmed civilians
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f81_1400892076

[muy_thaiguy]

Speaking of Donetsk...

[kuthoer]

Ok boys, I'm a bigot....

White flag suits you

News from Ukraine... Professionalism in the Ukraine Army... Ukrainian aviation attacking Ukrainian ground forces


Straight of the Ukrainian Army against unarmed civilians
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f81_1400892076

Can't debate morons, so I'll move on.