Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

[Qwert]

kuthoer, from your post i conclude that your opinion about US Government that they are incompetent ,weak and dont have balls to confront Russia .
I bet that you are for strong reaction, but you are disappointed with Obama and hes diplomatic moves.

[kuthoer]

kuthoer, from your post i conclude that your opinion about US Government that they are incompetent ,weak and dont have balls to confront Russia .
I bet that you are for strong reaction, but you are disappointed with Obama and hes diplomatic moves.

We certainly won't send in troops to help Ukraine, but we can obviously hurt them economically with stronger sanctions. EU can only go so far with sanctions, since they depend on gas imports from Russia. The Europeans are now scrambling to get supplies from other countries. The US can't help with natural gas, since we have no liquidifications plants to export our excess gas supplies.

[saxitoxin]

As expected, the multi-billionare Petro Poroshenko won "elections" and is nlow the new strongman of Ukraine. The first time in history, possibly, that people revolted because they were mad the wealthiest man in the country wasn't running things ... Georges Danton is rolling over in his grave right now.

Last week the U.S. sent the USS Vella Gulf into the Black Sea to "support the elections." From the ship's website:

Armament: Two MK 41 Vertical Launch Systems for STANDARD missiles, TOMAHAWK cruise missiles, Antisubmarine Rockets; MK 46 torpedoes, HARPOON missiles, two MK 45 5-inch/54 caliber guns, two Vulcan PHALANX Close-In Weapons Systems, chaff and NULKA decoy systems, and a variety of minor caliber weapons.

http://www.vella-gulf.navy.mil/

Gives new meaning to the phrase "Get Out the Vote" ...

[GoranZ]

Can't debate morons, so I'll move on.

Look in the mirror and you will see one moron, with the drugs you use there might be more then one tho

We certainly won't send in troops to help Ukraine, but we can obviously hurt them economically with stronger sanctions. EU can only go so far with sanctions, since they depend on gas imports from Russia. The Europeans are now scrambling to get supplies from other countries. The US can't help with natural gas, since we have no liquidifications plants to export our excess gas supplies.

By saying "we" you mean US? For now US can only brake(or support braking) of human rights in Ukraine, you can dream of something else beyond that.

Btw with the recent deals between Russia and China you should start worrying about the end of US imperialism.

[kuthoer]

Can't debate morons, so I'll move on.

Look in the mirror and you will see one moron, with the drugs you use there might be more then one tho

We certainly won't send in troops to help Ukraine, but we can obviously hurt them economically with stronger sanctions. EU can only go so far with sanctions, since they depend on gas imports from Russia. The Europeans are now scrambling to get supplies from other countries. The US can't help with natural gas, since we have no liquidifications plants to export our excess gas supplies.

By saying "we" you mean US? For now US can only brake(or support braking) of human rights in Ukraine, you can dream of something else beyond that.

Btw with the recent deals between Russia and China you should start worrying about the end of US imperialism.

God are you ignorant. This gas deal was in the making for 10 years now and it'll take at least another 4 years to start delivery. The Chinese got the better of the deal, since Putin is losing friends all over the globe.

American imperialism you said? China is infuriating all the neighboring countries by claiming huge swaths of South China Sea, not recognized by any country in the UN.

[saxitoxin]

China is infuriating all the neighboring countries by claiming huge swaths of South China Sea, not recognized by any country in the UN.

Big deal. China is the UN-recognized legal representative of 1.5 billion people. All the other nations in the Spratley Islands dispute combined have a population of less than 400 million. Some of us believe in democracy; majority-rule. It sounds like you believe in richocracy; rule by the big energy and gas companies that run the Philippines and Japan and dump millions on U.S. congressional candidates to buy some red, white and blue firepower to back them up.

[kuthoer]

China is infuriating all the neighboring countries by claiming huge swaths of South China Sea, not recognized by any country in the UN.

Big deal. China is the UN-recognized legal representative of 1.5 billion people. All the other nations in the Spratley Islands dispute combined have a population of less than 400 million. Some of us believe in democracy; majority-rule. It sounds like you believe in richocracy; rule by the big energy and gas companies that run the Philippines and Japan and dump millions on U.S. congressional candidates to buy some red, white and blue firepower to back them up.

Ha-you are just a caricature of silliness aren't you.

[saxitoxin]

China is infuriating all the neighboring countries by claiming huge swaths of South China Sea, not recognized by any country in the UN.

Big deal. China is the UN-recognized legal representative of 1.5 billion people. All the other nations in the Spratley Islands dispute combined have a population of less than 400 million. Some of us believe in democracy; majority-rule. It sounds like you believe in richocracy; rule by the big energy and gas companies that run the Philippines and Japan and dump millions on U.S. congressional candidates to buy some red, white and blue firepower to back them up.

Ha-you are just a caricature of silliness aren't you.

Truth hurts, huh?

[saxitoxin]

LMAO! All across Europe tonight pro-Russia parties are storming to victory in the European Parliament elections. My favorite quote is from the French pro-Kiev slug Jean-Luc Melenchon who has said "it's a disaster, like a volcanic eruption followed by acid rain."

[saxitoxin]

A sampling of the political parties who will be running the show as of tomorrow morning:

Coalition of the Radical Left - Greece - 1st Place (out of 8 parties)
on Ukraine -

Syriza leader Alexis Tsipras lambasted western policy on Ukraine and expressed support for separatist referendums in the Ukraine during an official visit to Moscow, upon the invitation of the Russian government.

http://www.enetenglish.gr/?i=news.en.article&id=1920

National Front - France - 1st Place (out of 10 parties)
on Ukraine -

Marine Le Pen, leader of France's National Front, blamed the European Union for declaring a new Cold War on Russia that would hurt all concerned. Le Pen, along with other Eurosceptic leaders of the far left and nationalist right, believe the original fault lies with Brussels for offering closer ties with Ukraine.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/ ... 9I20140412

Freedom Party - Netherlands - 2nd Place (out of 13 parties)
on Ukraine -

Dutch politician Geert Wilders blamed the crisis in Ukraine on the European Union on Thursday, accusing it of inciting violence by dangling the "carrot" of EU integration.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/04/1 ... CT20140417

Independence Party - UK - 1st Place (out of 14 parties)
on Ukraine -

Nigel Farage has accused the European Union of having "bloody hands" over its involvement in the current crisis in Ukraine by showing imperialist ambitions. The Ukip leader said that the British government and EU had "geed up" those behind the uprising that ousted Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03 ... 37811.html

PLUS, big wins in Austria, Italy, Hungary, Bulgaria ... the list goes on. All that work, Uncle Sam, and in one day you go from big daddy to the old perv alone in a cabin with no one except little Canada bouncing around on your lap. Looks like there's a new sheriff in town as of now.

[patches70]

There is a lot of blood in the water in the EU. Take that technocrats!

[mrswdk]

China's aims in its neighboring waters are merely to restore its ancient territorial integrity, which was shattered by the meddling and invasions of the Great Powers during the 19th and early 20th centuries.

That's, like, the opposite of imperialism.

[saxitoxin]

First the former Social-Democratic chancellor Gerhard Schröder decides to celebrate his B-Day in St. Pete's with Putin earlier this month, then European voters hand the keys to the European Parliament to all pro-Russia parties.

Someone forgot to send the EU the memo that they are supposed to be indignant and isolating Russia. LOL.

This is what international isolation looks like, apparently ...

[AndyDufresne]

I like the amount of effort both sides in this topic all put into this thread. It is pretty amusing. Thumbs up.


--Andy

[kuthoer]

I like the amount of effort both sides in this topic all put into this thread. It is pretty amusing. Thumbs up.


--Andy

You got to love the image that Saxi put up with Putin and a dog, aaaahhh, sort of reminds me of the picture with Hitler and his dog.

[saxitoxin]

New internal NATO reports obtained by Der Spiegel say that, if it pleased Russia to squash annoying little Estonia like a bug, NATO would need a minimum of 6 months before it was ready to respond ...

Elmar Brok, a member of Germany's center-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and a longstanding expert on European Union foreign policy, puts it more directly: "At present, the alliance could not protect the Baltic countries with conventional military means."

That is the most important sentence, and officials at the German defense and foreign ministries in Berlin agree. It would take about half a year before the members of the alliance would be capable of mustering a suitable response, if at all. "We wouldn't even show up in time for the Russians' victory celebration," says a government expert, who points out that the existing, vague deployment plans are "all outdated."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 70248.html

They should add a "NATO Simulator" option to Conquer Club: at any time you can hit the NATO button and, if your opponent doesn't move for the next 24 rounds, you suddenly get 30 bonus troops.

[kuthoer]

Saxi....you ok. It appears your neuron connections are overly exicited, due to some type of stimulant, probably crystal meth aka hillbilly cocaine.

Slow down kiddo, Russia invading the Baltics? May be possible if Putin got rabies from that bitch he had on his lap in your earlier picture.

Even Putin is not that insane to invade Estonia, as the consequences would be to terrible for Russia.

[GoranZ]

Slow down kiddo, Russia invading the Baltics? May be possible if Putin got rabies from that bitch he had on his lap in your earlier picture.

Even Putin is not that insane to invade Estonia, as the consequences would be to terrible for Russia.

Hmm he is not that insane to start a nuclear war, in which case Russia will not be the only one that will suffer, US and EU will also burn

[kuthoer]

Slow down kiddo, Russia invading the Baltics? May be possible if Putin got rabies from that bitch he had on his lap in your earlier picture.

Even Putin is not that insane to invade Estonia, as the consequences would be to terrible for Russia.

Hmm he is not that insane to start a nuclear war, in which case Russia will not be the only one that will suffer, US and EU will also burn

Oh God! Nuclear War talk? Such rhetoric, bravo!

[Pope Joan]

Slow down kiddo, Russia invading the Baltics? May be possible if Putin got rabies from that bitch he had on his lap in your earlier picture.

Even Putin is not that insane to invade Estonia, as the consequences would be to terrible for Russia.

Hmm he is not that insane to start a nuclear war, in which case Russia will not be the only one that will suffer, US and EU will also burn

Oh God! Nuclear War talk? Such rhetoric, bravo!

You, guys, have all gone crazy here. Putin is not interested in Estonia, which is, indeed, the weakest link in NATO. Russian threat to Estonia sounds to me like a neocon argument to justify NATO build-up in the region "to teach ruskies a lesson" for standing up against them in Syria and Ukraine...

What is more worrying is that Kiev is now using airstrikes against the protesters. I appreciate that the protesters are heavily armed but I dont hear much of a condemnation from John Kerry. I gather it is OK to do airstrikes in Donetsk but not so OK in Alleppo

[patches70]

What is more worrying is that Kiev is now using airstrikes against the protesters. I appreciate that the protesters are heavily armed but I dont hear much of a condemnation from John Kerry. I gather it is OK to do airstrikes in Donetsk but not so OK in Alleppo

Exactly.

[kuthoer]

What is more worrying is that Kiev is now using airstrikes against the protesters. I appreciate that the protesters are heavily armed but I dont hear much of a condemnation from John Kerry. I gather it is OK to do airstrikes in Donetsk but not so OK in Alleppo

Exactly.

Can't put down a revolution with flowers....

[GoranZ]

Slow down kiddo, Russia invading the Baltics? May be possible if Putin got rabies from that bitch he had on his lap in your earlier picture.

Even Putin is not that insane to invade Estonia, as the consequences would be to terrible for Russia.

Hmm he is not that insane to start a nuclear war, in which case Russia will not be the only one that will suffer, US and EU will also burn

Oh God! Nuclear War talk? Such rhetoric, bravo!

You, guys, have all gone crazy here. Putin is not interested in Estonia, which is, indeed, the weakest link in NATO. Russian threat to Estonia sounds to me like a neocon argument to justify NATO build-up in the region "to teach ruskies a lesson" for standing up against them in Syria and Ukraine...

We all know that Putin doesn't have big interests for Estonia but NATO doesn't , and fear is the largest enemy

What is more worrying is that Kiev is now using airstrikes against the protesters. I appreciate that the protesters are heavily armed but I dont hear much of a condemnation from John Kerry. I gather it is OK to do airstrikes in Donetsk but not so OK in Alleppo

Western's hypocritical double standards

What is more worrying is that Kiev is now using airstrikes against the protesters. I appreciate that the protesters are heavily armed but I dont hear much of a condemnation from John Kerry. I gather it is OK to do airstrikes in Donetsk but not so OK in Alleppo

Exactly.

Can't put down a revolution with flowers....

Western thirst for blood, mixed with brainlessness... if you dont know how take a look at Crimea. ZERO casualties

[kuthoer]

Slow down kiddo, Russia invading the Baltics? May be possible if Putin got rabies from that bitch he had on his lap in your earlier picture.

Even Putin is not that insane to invade Estonia, as the consequences would be to terrible for Russia.

Hmm he is not that insane to start a nuclear war, in which case Russia will not be the only one that will suffer, US and EU will also burn

Oh God! Nuclear War talk? Such rhetoric, bravo!

You, guys, have all gone crazy here. Putin is not interested in Estonia, which is, indeed, the weakest link in NATO. Russian threat to Estonia sounds to me like a neocon argument to justify NATO build-up in the region "to teach ruskies a lesson" for standing up against them in Syria and Ukraine...

We all know that Putin doesn't have big interests for Estonia but NATO doesn't , and fear is the largest enemy

What is more worrying is that Kiev is now using airstrikes against the protesters. I appreciate that the protesters are heavily armed but I dont hear much of a condemnation from John Kerry. I gather it is OK to do airstrikes in Donetsk but not so OK in Alleppo

Western's hypocritical double standards

What is more worrying is that Kiev is now using airstrikes against the protesters. I appreciate that the protesters are heavily armed but I dont hear much of a condemnation from John Kerry. I gather it is OK to do airstrikes in Donetsk but not so OK in Alleppo

Exactly.

Can't put down a revolution with flowers....

Western thirst for blood, mixed with brainlessness... if you dont know how take a look at Crimea. ZERO casualties

Russia brazenly took over the Crimea, despite the agreement of respecting the recognized borders of Ukraine when they gave up all their stockpiles of nuclear weapons, by the way Ukraine had the third largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world at the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union. Looks like Ukraine should have kept those weapons to thwart any future attempts of Russia to invade.

Russia does not respect any neighboring countries along their borders.

[muy_thaiguy]

As expected, the multi-billionare Petro Poroshenko won "elections" and is nlow the new strongman of Ukraine. The first time in history, possibly, that people revolted because they were mad the wealthiest man in the country wasn't running things ... Georges Danton is rolling over in his grave right now.

Last week the U.S. sent the USS Vella Gulf into the Black Sea to "support the elections." From the ship's website:

Armament: Two MK 41 Vertical Launch Systems for STANDARD missiles, TOMAHAWK cruise missiles, Antisubmarine Rockets; MK 46 torpedoes, HARPOON missiles, two MK 45 5-inch/54 caliber guns, two Vulcan PHALANX Close-In Weapons Systems, chaff and NULKA decoy systems, and a variety of minor caliber weapons.

http://www.vella-gulf.navy.mil/

Gives new meaning to the phrase "Get Out the Vote" ...

So, marching 10,000 heavily armed troops down the streets of Crimea and shortly after the occupation began, holding an "election of secession" says, what, exactly?

Just thought I would point that tiny little tidbit out.