Do you believe in Aliens? If so...

[notyou2]

How do you arrive at the figure of 60-90 trillion?

[patches70]

How do you arrive at the figure of 60-90 trillion?

That's esoteric knowledge and unless you've been properly initiated I can't answer that. It won't make any sense to you anyhow. However, if you'd like to go ahead and PM me the initiation then by all means, I can then tell you, but then I wouldn't have to because you'd already know.

Now if you want more theoretical estimates, then you can start with the Drake equation or some variation of that equation. Then there are the paradoxes, all of which you can find for yourself without me telling you.

But you'll have to plug in the values yourself, based on estimates. And when you do, you'll come to the same conclusion, 60-90 trillion, give or take a few 10's of trillions.
Now I'm talking only on individuals who have reason. I have no way of gauging how many alien "cows" and "chicken's" and "pig's" there are, which is irrelevant anyway. To a very few select beings we're all just food, consciousness or not.

We also have to take into account that at any given moment there are civilizations that are dying and/or being destroyed (self inflicted and otherwise) while others are just emerging.

And then there is the question of "what is life?" We might think we know what life is and what is and isn't alive, let alone what is sentient and what has consciousness, but there are examples in just this galaxy that completely ignore all our "rules" for what we perceive as life. i.e. it doesn't have to be carbon based. That we can imagine, but upon encountering such beings we will find that our imaginations fall far short.

[DaGip]

If you post it...they will come.

[patches70]

If you post it...they will come.

That only works for ghosts. And I don't believe in ghosts.

[oVo]

There will be an alien fly by this Sunday.

[WILLIAMS5232]

what if there is about a 1;1,000,000,000,000,000 ( or some other large number ) chance that all the pieces would fall together in just the rights order so that life is formed. and say there are only 1,000,000,000,000 other planets in the universe. couldn't we have just kind of like won the lottery or something. and there will need to be like bunches of other planets formed to get close to making things even out again so another "planet" can win the lottery? which may happen in 2 gazillion more years.

what if there is little roach colonies on jupiter? didn't we just send a probe that only lasted like 45 seconds into the atmospere over there? can we really rule out roaches just on that data?

what if the water bear did come from another planet huh?

wouldn't if be terrible that if when you die you just cease to exist and you will never know what might have been.

but wouldn't it be great if when you did die you suddenly got all the answers and went to like an alien heaven and could go chill with all the clingons and yeti's.

[Phatscotty]

the odds that life exists outside of earth are the same as hitting a 7 reel jackpot on a slot machine 7 times in a row, however there are so many stars and planets it's likely the jackpot would be hit a few hundred times

[grifftron]

I'm not wasting my time reading a book or half of these posts blabbing at nothing.

If you have evidence, show me your alien.

Tom Cruise doesn't count.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Heaven forbid you read a book, especially one that might impress upon you the unimaginable vastness of this galaxy, let alone the entire fucking universe. What horror.

-TG

[grifftron]

Heaven forbid you read a book, especially one that might impress upon you the unimaginable vastness of this galaxy, let alone the entire fucking universe. What horror.

-TG

Not all books are worth reading... come on we all know that, don't pretend like you didn't know that.

I know the universe is vast, you can watch a few clips on youtube and find out more then that book you are suggesting will tell me but no matter how vast it is, you still have no evidence of aliens, that's all i'm saying, and that is what this thread is about isn't it? believing or not? Forbid I don't believe in your fantasy.

[betiko]

what if there is about a 1;1,000,000,000,000,000 ( or some other large number ) chance that all the pieces would fall together in just the rights order so that life is formed. and say there are only 1,000,000,000,000 other planets in the universe. couldn't we have just kind of like won the lottery or something. and there will need to be like bunches of other planets formed to get close to making things even out again so another "planet" can win the lottery? which may happen in 2 gazillion more years.

what if there is little roach colonies on jupiter? didn't we just send a probe that only lasted like 45 seconds into the atmospere over there? can we really rule out roaches just on that data?

what if the water bear did come from another planet huh?

wouldn't if be terrible that if when you die you just cease to exist and you will never know what might have been.

but wouldn't it be great if when you did die you suddenly got all the answers and went to like an alien heaven and could go chill with all the clingons and yeti's.

well they already found planets that are in the correct range of size, distance from its star ect and that are suspected to contain life/have contained life/be able to contain life in our visible surroundings, and we can't see shit on a universe scale from here.

Regarding jupiter; you have for example its moon Europe that could have some life forms under its ice surface. under the ice, the volcanic activity makes liquid water possible, and who knows, there might be an entire ecosystem down there based on totally different systems compared to earth life forms based on carbon for the most part.

[mrswdk]

So what are the odds that somewhere in the universe there exists a planet on which Harry Potter-esque magic exists?

[KoolBak]

Expand your mind

http://htwins.net/scale2/scale2.swf?bordercolor=white

Really, really cool.....

[betiko]

Expand your mind

http://htwins.net/scale2/scale2.swf?bordercolor=white

Really, really cool.....

nice! i had seen one very simialr several years ago which i was never able to find again... basically, it didn't go that far into quarks, but in the giga sizes, it gave you a better idea of what the universe looked like and how meaningless was a galaxy.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Heaven forbid you read a book, especially one that might impress upon you the unimaginable vastness of this galaxy, let alone the entire fucking universe. What horror.

-TG

Not all books are worth reading... come on we all know that, don't pretend like you didn't know that.

I know the universe is vast, you can watch a few clips on youtube and find out more then that book you are suggesting will tell me but no matter how vast it is, you still have no evidence of aliens, that's all i'm saying, and that is what this thread is about isn't it? believing or not? Forbid I don't believe in your fantasy.

So what makes Earth special? If you think we're the only life that has occurred on literally trillions of planets, why is Earth different than all he others? Hint: it isn't. There are probably millions upon millions of planets just like Earth.

If you say blah blah God, then I won't bother responding.

All I'm saying is that, yes, statistically speaking, there is almost certainly life on other planets.

-TG

[grifftron]

And all i'm saying is, blah blah show me your alien.

[Dukasaur]

And all i'm saying is, blah blah show me your alien.

Is that a euphemism?

[DaGip]

And all i'm saying is, blah blah show me your alien.

Is that a euphemism?

[iAmCaffeine]

Heaven forbid you read a book, especially one that might impress upon you the unimaginable vastness of this galaxy, let alone the entire fucking universe. What horror.

-TG

Not all books are worth reading... come on we all know that, don't pretend like you didn't know that.

I know the universe is vast, you can watch a few clips on youtube and find out more then that book you are suggesting will tell me but no matter how vast it is, you still have no evidence of aliens, that's all i'm saying, and that is what this thread is about isn't it? believing or not? Forbid I don't believe in your fantasy.

So what makes Earth special? If you think we're the only life that has occurred on literally trillions of planets, why is Earth different than all he others? Hint: it isn't. There are probably millions upon millions of planets just like Earth.

If you say blah blah God, then I won't bother responding.

All I'm saying is that, yes, statistically speaking, there is almost certainly life on other planets.

-TG

You basically just rendered your own argument useless, good one.

[betiko]

Heaven forbid you read a book, especially one that might impress upon you the unimaginable vastness of this galaxy, let alone the entire fucking universe. What horror.

-TG

Not all books are worth reading... come on we all know that, don't pretend like you didn't know that.

I know the universe is vast, you can watch a few clips on youtube and find out more then that book you are suggesting will tell me but no matter how vast it is, you still have no evidence of aliens, that's all i'm saying, and that is what this thread is about isn't it? believing or not? Forbid I don't believe in your fantasy.

So what makes Earth special? If you think we're the only life that has occurred on literally trillions of planets, why is Earth different than all he others? Hint: it isn't. There are probably millions upon millions of planets just like Earth.

If you say blah blah God, then I won't bother responding.

All I'm saying is that, yes, statistically speaking, there is almost certainly life on other planets.

-TG

You basically just rendered your own argument useless, good one.

while I follow TG's logic, I fail to understand yours there caf.

[iAmCaffeine]

Heaven forbid you read a book, especially one that might impress upon you the unimaginable vastness of this galaxy, let alone the entire fucking universe. What horror.

-TG

Not all books are worth reading... come on we all know that, don't pretend like you didn't know that.

I know the universe is vast, you can watch a few clips on youtube and find out more then that book you are suggesting will tell me but no matter how vast it is, you still have no evidence of aliens, that's all i'm saying, and that is what this thread is about isn't it? believing or not? Forbid I don't believe in your fantasy.

So what makes Earth special? If you think we're the only life that has occurred on literally trillions of planets, why is Earth different than all he others? Hint: it isn't. There are probably millions upon millions of planets just like Earth.

If you say blah blah God, then I won't bother responding.

All I'm saying is that, yes, statistically speaking, there is almost certainly life on other planets.

-TG

You basically just rendered your own argument useless, good one.

while I follow TG's logic, I fail to understand yours there caf.

If TG is going to disregard other arguments with "blah blah" and not respond, then we/griff can all do the same.

[betiko]

Heaven forbid you read a book, especially one that might impress upon you the unimaginable vastness of this galaxy, let alone the entire fucking universe. What horror.

-TG

Not all books are worth reading... come on we all know that, don't pretend like you didn't know that.

I know the universe is vast, you can watch a few clips on youtube and find out more then that book you are suggesting will tell me but no matter how vast it is, you still have no evidence of aliens, that's all i'm saying, and that is what this thread is about isn't it? believing or not? Forbid I don't believe in your fantasy.

So what makes Earth special? If you think we're the only life that has occurred on literally trillions of planets, why is Earth different than all he others? Hint: it isn't. There are probably millions upon millions of planets just like Earth.

If you say blah blah God, then I won't bother responding.

All I'm saying is that, yes, statistically speaking, there is almost certainly life on other planets.

-TG

You basically just rendered your own argument useless, good one.

while I follow TG's logic, I fail to understand yours there caf.

If TG is going to disregard other arguments with "blah blah" and not respond, then we/griff can all do the same.

that's because "blah blah blah god" isn't an argument, it's only personal faith. (worth jack shit)
So if you are going to give a logical statistical argument and you are going to confront it with some faith gibberish it's not worth the time, there will be no end to that conversation anyway and people won't be reasonable, so TG is right.

[iAmCaffeine]

that's because "blah blah blah god" isn't an argument, it's only personal faith. (worth jack shit)
So if you are going to give a logical statistical argument and you are going to confront it with some faith gibberish it's not worth the time, there will be no end to that conversation anyway and people won't be reasonable, so TG is right.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but if millions of people share the same personal faith how is that worth jack shit? By that logic the fact that millions of people also believe aliens do exist is worth jack shit, and if you respond with a "but science proves blah blah blah" argument I won't respond.

[WILLIAMS5232]

i just hope when we die we go to alien heaven.

by the way, if a flowere were growing on mercury, would he/it be considered an alien?

[KoolBak]

Be one tough flower considering daytime highs will melt lead