What is Obama's Faith?

[muy_thaiguy]

nah, I don't believe Obama is the only one who lies about his faith.
nah, I have some issues with Glenn Beck. The truth is he is the only one going out and getting interviews with certain people on certain topics. I'm not a big fan of attacking the messenger, since it basically telegraphs ya don't know jack shit.

He's focusing on pointless things to stir up trouble. You want news on things that matter? Look up the conflict in Mali, Vice News on youtube (independent source BTW) has a 3 part series on that conflict (videos NSFW, BTW). Or how about bride kidnapping in Kyrgyzstan where women are literally kidnapped off the streets and forced to marry someone that probably had never met, regardless of their current situation (in a relationship, in school, etc). Yet you and Beck focus on something so insignificant as what a person's personal belief system might be?

If I was running for public office, asking people to support me and my policies, my belief system would be under scrutiny, and rightly so. You may think it's okay for someone to ask for support and money and votes without knowing the most basic beliefs, wanna talk about naive and ignorant? HAHA pff what a joke!

And if you're not a self-declared Christian in any sense, good luck getting votes for something beyond City Council of a small town. Just look at your own reaction when it is merely suggested that Obama might not be a WASP (other than the white part, which he gets flack for in and of itself).

Sounds like you don't even know anything about Glenn Beck, which is quite the norm for the Beck haters. You still think he works at FOX? You aren't qualified to have an opinion on Glenn Beck since you clearly don't know shit. He quit FOX years ago. If that's the ridiculous route you want to go, why not call out CNN, since he worked there years ago as well? pff And you are trying to make this a partisan thing, which shows again you don't know shit, as more than half of the Democrats are of the same opinion on the Bergdahl issue as Republicans are. Even Hillary Clinton. So yeah, turn it all into a Glenn Beck thing. What a joke dude! LMFAO!

Beck has been a rabble-rouser for years. I don't watch CNN and I avoid Fox News like the plague. Still, all he does is try and incite people to stupidity for stupid reasons. And we aren't talking about Bergdahl, we are talking about your (and apparently Beck's) intolerance of other religions other than "white Christian". So stop deflecting and using red herring. It makes you look even worse.

Is your quote from Ralph Nader? btw, I have issues with Nader too, but I would still vote for him again.

Nothing to with Nader. These are my own view points that I developed my own. You however, only repeat what you hear like a parrot. You let Beck do your own thinking for you, and it is painfully obvious to everyone else.

[patches70]

You want news on things that matter? Look up the conflict in Mali, Vice News on youtube (independent source BTW) has a 3 part series on that conflict (videos NSFW, BTW). Or how about bride kidnapping in Kyrgyzstan where women are literally kidnapped off the streets and forced to marry someone that probably had never met, regardless of their current situation (in a relationship, in school, etc). Yet you and Beck focus on something so insignificant as what a person's personal belief system might be?

Haha! None of those things matter either, except maybe to you (and the people affected, obviously).

Who are you to say what matters and what doesn't? Some things that matter to you may not matter to someone else. It's all subjective. Just because you say something doesn't matter doesn't make that true. In fact, given the subjectivity of "what matters", I can say for certain that you don't know shit about what matters and what doesn't except for yourself. It's your own personal belief system that helps determine what matters to you, yet you think a personal belief system is insignificant?
Haha!

You are guilty of the exact same thing you accuse PS of. Which one of you is wrong?


Hell if I know.

People focus on what people focus on. Arguing "that's not important!" is stupidity.

[jay_a2j]

Pay attention...


He's pro-Muslim
Christians (true) are anti-sin (ie. anti gay marriage, anti- abortion)..... Obama fails these two tests

connect the dots..... although he could just be an atheist who favors Mohamed over Jesus

[patches70]

Pay attention...


He's pro-Muslim
Christians (true) are anti-sin (ie. anti gay marriage, anti- abortion)..... Obama fails these two tests

connect the dots..... although he could just be an atheist who favors Mohamed over Jesus

Wait, are Muslims pro gay marriage and pro abortion?

[Phatscotty]

Pay attention...


He's pro-Muslim
anti-Christians (true) are anti-sin (ie. anti gay marriage, anti- abortion)..... Obama fails these two tests

connect the dots..... although he could just be an atheist who favors Mohamed over Jesus

interesting breakdown! Obama sent that family seeking political asylum back to Germany too that just wanted to homeschool their children, but Obama is all about fighting for and defending people who comes here from south of the border seeking the same kinds of opportunity.

[Phatscotty]

Pay attention...


He's pro-Muslim
Christians (true) are anti-sin (ie. anti gay marriage, anti- abortion)..... Obama fails these two tests

connect the dots..... although he could just be an atheist who favors Mohamed over Jesus

Wait, are Muslims pro gay marriage and pro abortion?

I think Obama would (and already has?) get all loud and defend a Muslim's 'freedom of religion' to be against those things, but not when it comes to Christians.

[jay_a2j]

Pay attention...


He's pro-Muslim
Christians (true) are anti-sin (ie. anti gay marriage, anti- abortion)..... Obama fails these two tests

connect the dots..... although he could just be an atheist who favors Mohamed over Jesus

Wait, are Muslims pro gay marriage and pro abortion?

Did I say Muslims were Christians? Or that Obama was Muslim? I said he is PRO-Muslim, as can be seen in his actions. (The fact that he fails the "test" tells us he is NOT Christian..... he may not be Muslim either but he sure does cater to them!)

[oVo]

I said he is PRO-Muslim, as can be seen in his actions.

The President may be a Sunday Christian like 90% of the Christians living in America, but he is not Pro-Muslim. Obama supports freedom of religion in this country and the right to practice your beliefs. You can not believe all the paranoid garbage little people of insecure spirituality create and post on the internet. If these so called Christians actually believed and practiced what they preached, none of this would even matter.

Nobody in America has lost their religious freedoms period, except for those who feel they have a right impose their will, morals and beliefs on others.

[notyou2]

If I was running for public office, asking people to support me and my policies, my belief system would be under scrutiny, and rightly so.

Please explain why you believe it is the business of all Americans what faith the president, or anyone in public office, practices. Also, doesn't this go against the first amendment?

You can't pick and chose the amendments, the Bill of Rights isn't Subway. If you chose to disregard the first amendment, then you disregard all amendments including your precious right to bear arms. Oh wait, that isn't convenient for you.






Nevermind.

[jay_a2j]

I said he is PRO-Muslim, as can be seen in his actions.

The President may be a Sunday Christian like 90% of the Christians living in America, but he is not Pro-Muslim. Obama supports freedom of religion in this country and the right to practice your beliefs. You can not believe all the paranoid garbage little people of insecure spirituality create and post on the internet. If these so called Christians actually believed and practiced what they preached, none of this would even matter.

Nobody in America has lost their religious freedoms period, except for those who feel they have a right impose their will, morals and beliefs on others.

You are obviously not paying attention. Just youtube the speech where Obama tries to rip apart the Bible. Or the lovely Muslim religious greeting he sent out around the time most Americans were celebrating CHRISTMAS! (Yet he said not a word to them)


Stop hitting "snooze" and wake up!


BTW nobody said Obama was taking away anyones religious freedom (yet). But just call a spade a spade already!


"Nobody in America has lost their religious freedoms period, except for those who feel they have a right impose their will, morals and beliefs on others"

YET those lacking morals are having a blast "imposing their will, (lack of) morals and beliefs on others". (All one needs to do is look at all the Federal rulings knocking down state bans on SAME SEX MARRIAGE) It's wrong for Christians to "shove" morality down your throat but it's ok for you to shove immorality down ours!

[AndyDufresne]

BTW nobody said Obama was taking away anyones religious freedom (yet). But just call a spade a spade already!

"Nobody in America has lost their religious freedoms period, except for those who feel they have a right impose their will, morals and beliefs on others"

YET those lacking morals are having a blast "imposing their will, (lack of) morals and beliefs on others". (All one needs to do is look at all the Federal rulings knocking down state bans on SAME SEX MARRIAGE) It's wrong for Christians to "shove" morality down your throat but it's ok for you to shove immorality down ours!

Stop hitting "snooze" and wake up!


--Andy

[muy_thaiguy]

Pay attention...


He's pro-Muslim
Christians (true) are anti-sin (ie. anti gay marriage, anti- abortion)..... Obama fails these two tests

connect the dots..... although he could just be an atheist who favors Mohamed over Jesus

Christians are about following Jesus' path. Not hating peole themselves, but the sin itself, but people are mortal and do at times give in to sin. The most basic tenant of Christianity, and the most simple is, "Love thy neighbor as they self," not "Claim to be discriminated against when you're an upper middle class white guy that might have been inconvenienced at one point with a minor thing".

[jay_a2j]

Pay attention...


He's pro-Muslim
Christians (true) are anti-sin (ie. anti gay marriage, anti- abortion)..... Obama fails these two tests

connect the dots..... although he could just be an atheist who favors Mohamed over Jesus

Christians are about following Jesus' path. Not hating peole themselves, but the sin itself, but people are mortal and do at times give in to sin. The most basic tenant of Christianity, and the most simple is, "Love thy neighbor as they self," not "Claim to be discriminated against when you're an upper middle class white guy that might have been inconvenienced at one point with a minor thing".

Love when people put words in my mouth... /sarcasm

I said nothing about hating anyone. God, (whether you believe it or not) hates sin. God defines homosexuality as sin. We don't need common core to do the math. If my daughter became a prostitute, I would hate what she WAS DOING, but I would still LOVE her. That is how God views sinners, including but not limited to homosexuals. Except with Gods love....it's absolutely perfect love. But God requires repentance from sin.... without that, we can not know God.


I really don't know where your disdain is coming from.....maybe a past bad experience.

[muy_thaiguy]

Pay attention...


He's pro-Muslim
Christians (true) are anti-sin (ie. anti gay marriage, anti- abortion)..... Obama fails these two tests

connect the dots..... although he could just be an atheist who favors Mohamed over Jesus

Christians are about following Jesus' path. Not hating peole themselves, but the sin itself, but people are mortal and do at times give in to sin. The most basic tenant of Christianity, and the most simple is, "Love thy neighbor as they self," not "Claim to be discriminated against when you're an upper middle class white guy that might have been inconvenienced at one point with a minor thing".

Love when people put words in my mouth... /sarcasm

I said nothing about hating anyone. God, (whether you believe it or not) hates sin. God defines homosexuality as sin. We don't need common core to do the math. If my daughter became a prostitute, I would hate what she WAS DOING, but I would still LOVE her. That is how God views sinners, including but not limited to homosexuals. Except with Gods love....it's absolutely perfect love. But God requires repentance from sin.... without that, we can not know God.


I really don't know where your disdain is coming from.....maybe a past bad experience.

And yet you show nothing but disdain, even flat out hatred for Obama, and for all the wrong and unsubstantiated (in many cases) reasons. You and scotty latch onto these ideas that have nothing more than fringe theories to back them up and then go on a crusade to thump people over their heads with it, and when shown otherwise, you deflect, you present red herring arguments, like you have done here.

Even if he wasn't a Christian, do you demand he be in order to be President? If Obama was Muslim, or some other candidate running for the office was, would you be posting these things, or digging up more unsubstantiated "information" or would be practical and say that you disagreed on their policies and what not? You know, on things that actually would make sense to be at least annoyed with rather than criticize someone for the constitutional right to be a religion of their choosing.

[warmonger1981]

Would being a follower or Sharia Law make a difference. For arguments sake.

[jay_a2j]

Pay attention...


He's pro-Muslim
Christians (true) are anti-sin (ie. anti gay marriage, anti- abortion)..... Obama fails these two tests

connect the dots..... although he could just be an atheist who favors Mohamed over Jesus

Christians are about following Jesus' path. Not hating peole themselves, but the sin itself, but people are mortal and do at times give in to sin. The most basic tenant of Christianity, and the most simple is, "Love thy neighbor as they self," not "Claim to be discriminated against when you're an upper middle class white guy that might have been inconvenienced at one point with a minor thing".

Love when people put words in my mouth... /sarcasm

I said nothing about hating anyone. God, (whether you believe it or not) hates sin. God defines homosexuality as sin. We don't need common core to do the math. If my daughter became a prostitute, I would hate what she WAS DOING, but I would still LOVE her. That is how God views sinners, including but not limited to homosexuals. Except with Gods love....it's absolutely perfect love. But God requires repentance from sin.... without that, we can not know God.


I really don't know where your disdain is coming from.....maybe a past bad experience.

And yet you show nothing but disdain, even flat out hatred for Obama, and for all the wrong and unsubstantiated (in many cases) reasons. You and scotty latch onto these ideas that have nothing more than fringe theories to back them up and then go on a crusade to thump people over their heads with it, and when shown otherwise, you deflect, you present red herring arguments, like you have done here.

Even if he wasn't a Christian, do you demand he be in order to be President? If Obama was Muslim, or some other candidate running for the office was, would you be posting these things, or digging up more unsubstantiated "information" or would be practical and say that you disagreed on their policies and what not? You know, on things that actually would make sense to be at least annoyed with rather than criticize someone for the constitutional right to be a religion of their choosing.

Obama ran in 2008 as a Christian..... he was against same-sex marriage because "it was against his christian beliefs" which to him, were "sacred". Now in 2012 the sacredness of marriage went out the window didn't it? Obama can be whatever faith he chooses. What I am opposed to is PRETENDING to be of a more "mainstream" faith just to get elected. If you are Jewish, RUN as a Jew! If you are Muslim, RUN as a Muslim! If you are NOT a Christian, then DON'T RUN as a Christian! This isn't rocket science here.

Would being a follower or Sharia Law make a difference. For arguments sake.

For some it would. I didn't vote for the man in the first place, so he could have been a gay cross dresser, tattooed from head to toe with body piercings galore AND been Muslim and still not gotten my vote. (It's a difference in political thought)

[AndyDufresne]

This isn't rocket science here.

Sums up this topic rather well.


--Andy

[muy_thaiguy]

Pay attention...


He's pro-Muslim
Christians (true) are anti-sin (ie. anti gay marriage, anti- abortion)..... Obama fails these two tests

connect the dots..... although he could just be an atheist who favors Mohamed over Jesus

Christians are about following Jesus' path. Not hating peole themselves, but the sin itself, but people are mortal and do at times give in to sin. The most basic tenant of Christianity, and the most simple is, "Love thy neighbor as they self," not "Claim to be discriminated against when you're an upper middle class white guy that might have been inconvenienced at one point with a minor thing".

Love when people put words in my mouth... /sarcasm

I said nothing about hating anyone. God, (whether you believe it or not) hates sin. God defines homosexuality as sin. We don't need common core to do the math. If my daughter became a prostitute, I would hate what she WAS DOING, but I would still LOVE her. That is how God views sinners, including but not limited to homosexuals. Except with Gods love....it's absolutely perfect love. But God requires repentance from sin.... without that, we can not know God.


I really don't know where your disdain is coming from.....maybe a past bad experience.

And yet you show nothing but disdain, even flat out hatred for Obama, and for all the wrong and unsubstantiated (in many cases) reasons. You and scotty latch onto these ideas that have nothing more than fringe theories to back them up and then go on a crusade to thump people over their heads with it, and when shown otherwise, you deflect, you present red herring arguments, like you have done here.

Even if he wasn't a Christian, do you demand he be in order to be President? If Obama was Muslim, or some other candidate running for the office was, would you be posting these things, or digging up more unsubstantiated "information" or would be practical and say that you disagreed on their policies and what not? You know, on things that actually would make sense to be at least annoyed with rather than criticize someone for the constitutional right to be a religion of their choosing.

Obama ran in 2008 as a Christian..... he was against same-sex marriage because "it was against his christian beliefs" which to him, were "sacred". Now in 2012 the sacredness of marriage went out the window didn't it? Obama can be whatever faith he chooses. What I am opposed to is PRETENDING to be of a more "mainstream" faith just to get elected. If you are Jewish, RUN as a Jew! If you are Muslim, RUN as a Muslim! If you are NOT a Christian, then DON'T RUN as a Christian! This isn't rocket science here.

So, if he has different Christian views than you do, that makes him not a Christian despite there being dozens of branches of multiple sects of Christianity? That would be like me calling you not a Christian because you don't adhere to the same exact beliefs that I do. Actually, it would be the exact samething.

And honestly jay, Obama is a politician (something I've been saying since he first ran for the the office), meaning he'll "stretch" the truth in order to get to where he needs to be. Show me a politician that doesn't do that, and chances are he's 6 feet under and has been for a long time. To single him out for doing what every single politician in Washington D.C. does is, to put it bluntly, biased and naive.

People change, and their views change. If we didn't, we would all be gurgling infants still anyways.

[oVo]

God defines homosexuality as sin.

Christianity is the "defined" faith of one particular group of people. People translate the bible to meet their beliefs and establish a set of moral conduct. Sex out of wedlock is a sin, adultery is a sin, murder is a sin and so on. Many people pick and choose which of those rules or translations they conveniently live by, and somehow feel obligated to impose those ideas on others.

Fact is, America is a Free country, it's citizens are not all Christian and the laws of the land can't be written to only to accommodate that one belief. US Law is intended to meet the needs of the people and not just the tenets of a single religion. Fortunately God forgives sinners, which is good for Sunday Christians, non-believers and elitists who somehow feel entitled to rights they deny to others.

For the paranoid minority who can't find the strength in their own beliefs to endure, accept or tolerate the multicultural landscape, Sharia Law is not taking over the US. No amount of lies spouted by ignorant neanderthals will change that fact any time soon. Three million Muslims living in America doesn't mean this country is on the verge of becoming an Islamic state.

[jay_a2j]

God defines homosexuality as sin.

Christianity is the "defined" faith of one particular group of people. People translate the bible to meet their beliefs and establish a set of moral conduct. Sex out of wedlock is a sin, adultery is a sin, murder is a sin and so on. Many people pick and choose which of those rules or translations they conveniently live by, and somehow feel obligated to impose those ideas on others.

Fact is, America is a Free country, it's citizens are not all Christian and the laws of the land can't be written to only to accommodate that one belief. US Law is intended to meet the needs of the people and not just the tenets of a single religion. Fortunately God forgives sinners, which is good for Sunday Christians, non-believers and elitists who somehow feel entitled to rights they deny to others.

For the paranoid minority who can't find the strength in their own beliefs to endure, accept or tolerate the multicultural landscape, Sharia Law is not taking over the US. No amount of lies spouted by ignorant neanderthals will change that fact any time soon. Three million Muslims living in America doesn't mean this country is on the verge of becoming an Islamic state.

God forgives sinners that REPENT (ie STOP sinning). The fact is America will pay a heavy price for rejecting God. He is long suffering, which is to our benefit but his patience will not go on forever. You don't understand that with God there are no "civil rights" no "freedom to believe whatever you choose". God is a jealous God.... and will accept no gods before Him. Keep living your pipe dream. It ends when you die.

[AndyDufresne]

It ends when you die.

Should be someone's new signature quote.


--Andy

[oVo]

What has God got to be jealous of? That's a human condition.
Your god may be vengeful, but mine is love & forgiveness.

The problem with marriage in America is there are too many
legal rights attached to it. Those rights can't just be granted
to a privileged few and denied to others simply because their
beliefs or lifestyle aren't acceptable to you way of thinking.

If they're sinning in your mind, so what? It is not your task
to correct it and you aren't actually affected, beyond the
potential envy that their life is more enjoyable than yours.
Back off, take care of your own business, live and let live
and let God sort it out when the time comes.

[jay_a2j]

What has God got to be jealous of? That's a human condition.
Your god may be vengeful, but mine is love & forgiveness.

The problem with marriage in America is there are too many
legal rights attached to it. Those rights can't just be granted
to a privileged few and denied to others simply because their
beliefs or lifestyle aren't acceptable to you way of thinking.

If they're sinning in your mind, so what? It is not your task
to correct it and you aren't actually affected, beyond the
potential envy that their life is more enjoyable than yours.
Back off, take care of your own business, live and let live
and let God sort it out when the time comes.

Indeed! I'm not trying to correct it, I'm merely pointing out that it is not in line with Gods ways. Taking us back to "Is Obama a Christian?" The answer is obvious. On a side note Jesus commanded us to go into the world and preach the good news! That news is: REPENT! Follow JESUS! And you WILL be SAVED! Good thing Jesus didn't "back off", "take care of His own business" and "live and let live". (and He will sort it out when the time comes..... but why would you die when you can live?)

[muy_thaiguy]

Preach the good news, yes. Bash people over the heads with it? Not so much.

[Phatscotty]

nah, I haven't heard Beck talk about this issue. You are wrong here. I watched the Rose Garden speech as it happened, plenty enough to raise my own eyebrows.

And Obama is doing it again. As American veterans suffer on wait lists, Obama jumps immediately into action to send millions in 'emergency aid' to make sure all the illegal aliens have lawyers and bus tickets and plane tickets and food. Granted, he may be doing this because he knows it's his words and his policy on the dream act that directly lead to the humanitarian crisis of all the children piling through the border, but I'm pretty sure veterans see Obama's immediate action for non citizens as a slap in the face as nothing is done about our VA situation.

You can rant and rail on Beck all ya want, I'm sure it's quite convenient for you to just write it all off. I have my own mind. Sure, other people bring up good ideas and different views, but that is not a bad thing, it's a good thing. It's diversity. You may want to counter the ideas, and not worry about the messenger, or who you assume the messenger to be.