School Shootings...what will Conservatives do?

[DaGip]

Nothing.

They will let your little children die.

Thanks, Conservatives! You guys are swell!

[warmonger1981]

A pencil can kill. If its not a gun it will be a fertilizer bomb. Or a potato gun with nails. Or a hammer. Or a car. China seen a group with knives kill plenty. China also seen crazies with chainsaws try to kill a group of singers. I'm pretty sure if we get rid of guns NO ONE WILL EVER DIE. The finger is pointing at you killer.

[oVo]

American Kids will be sporting body armor fashions
when school opens in the fall.

[warmonger1981]

Already have back packs for kids that are bullet proof. Security guards at the doors with metal detectors. School is a prison nowadays. Oh yeah almost forgot, kids also have ID's that can track them throughout the school. Hell schools have been caught turning on the camera on laptops in their homes.

[jay_a2j]

Nothing.

They will let your little children die.

Thanks, Conservatives! You guys are swell!

And what will you liberals do?

Take guns from law abiding people so only criminals will have guns! You guys are Super Swell!

[patches70]

This'll take care of school shooting once and for all-

[Lord Arioch]

Chris Rock said once in a stand up comedy show: lets raise the prizes on bullets... shootings will stop if a bullet cost 5000 dollars... it will go like this, i will get a job, and earn money then in like 5 years time i will shoot u twice! (freely quoted)

Anyway this is horrible! Yeah sure guns kills people but its not the guns in themselves... its the idiots behind them! The intresting question is why do people feel so bad in modern society that they feel this need to kill innocent people and then most often themselves? The flaw might, might not be in the gun policy but in society as a whole? Parents that work to much, are unintrested int their kids, breakdown of nuclus family structures and so on, i know hippie shit but we didnt see this much shootings in the 60-70ths did we?

[nietzsche]

Chris Rock said once in a stand up comedy show: lets raise the prizes on bullets... shootings will stop if a bullet cost 5000 dollars... it will go like this, i will get a job, and earn money then in like 5 years time i will shoot u twice! (freely quoted)

Anyway this is horrible! Yeah sure guns kills people but its not the guns in themselves... its the idiots behind them! The intresting question is why do people feel so bad in modern society that they feel this need to kill innocent people and then most often themselves? The flaw might, might not be in the gun policy but in society as a whole? Parents that work to much, are unintrested int their kids, breakdown of nuclus family structures and so on, i know hippie shit but we didnt see this much shootings in the 60-70ths did we?

Might sound reductionist but this is pretty much on target. The resenment comes mainly for lack of affection, or the feeling of lack of affection. Besides of the lack of affection, they learn from their parents the idea of the need to be stressed out all the time to pay the bills. And most of those bills are unnecessary burdens.

[Lord Arioch]

Hell yeah!

[DaGip]

Nothing.

They will let your little children die.

Thanks, Conservatives! You guys are swell!

And what will you liberals do?

Take guns from law abiding people so only criminals will have guns! You guys are Super Swell!

Let us turn the question the other way again:

What would you conservatives do?

My answer...nothing. Just as usual. Bowing low to the NRA like Obama towards an Arabian prince.

First, the Dems in power can't solve these tough issues with the current Constitution in the way. So, of course we must remove that relic and replace it with a new Constitution. One that takes away your guns and replaces them with smart technology.

Where do you live? In a log cabin with a pet grizzly bear?

Conservatives lack vision, unless that "vision" entails hate, racism, misogyny mixed in with some good old fashioned fear mongering and conspiracy theories.

If you were president, would you strap a handgun onto every teacher? Let children carry mace? These are solutions that I hear coming from conservatives! Are conservatives crazy?

I live in America; however, I guess I am some how less American if I am communist?

I do not believe in democracy, there has never been an issue of great importance that did not deal in bloodshed in one way or another. Voting only makes the masses think they have some control over a system of which they do not. Democracy is a fallacy.

So, when the order comes that you will have to give up your gun; what will you do? Hide in your log cabin? Sick your grizzly bear on the drones? Take pot shots with your blunderbuss, and retreat back into the mountains?

Conservatives and Osama Bin Laden have one thing in common...terrorism.

[jay_a2j]

Nothing.

They will let your little children die.

Thanks, Conservatives! You guys are swell!

And what will you liberals do?

Take guns from law abiding people so only criminals will have guns! You guys are Super Swell!

Let us turn the question the other way again:

What would you conservatives do?

My answer...nothing. Just as usual. Bowing low to the NRA like Obama towards an Arabian prince.

First, the Dems in power can't solve these tough issues with the current Constitution in the way. So, of course we must remove that relic and replace it with a new Constitution. One that takes away your guns and replaces them with smart technology.

Where do you live? In a log cabin with a pet grizzly bear?

Conservatives lack vision, unless that "vision" entails hate, racism, misogyny mixed in with some good old fashioned fear mongering and conspiracy theories.

If you were president, would you strap a handgun onto every teacher? Let children carry mace? These are solutions that I hear coming from conservatives! Are conservatives crazy?

I live in America; however, I guess I am some how less American if I am communist?

I do not believe in democracy, there has never been an issue of great importance that did not deal in bloodshed in one way or another. Voting only makes the masses think they have some control over a system of which they do not. Democracy is a fallacy.

So, when the order comes that you will have to give up your gun; what will you do? Hide in your log cabin? Sick your grizzly bear on the drones? Take pot shots with your blunderbuss, and retreat back into the mountains?

Conservatives and Osama Bin Laden have one thing in common...terrorism.

Reading your post made me vomit a little in my mouth.

You are living in the wrong country.... might I suggest a move to China or North Korea?

It is liberal policies that have stripped the USA of her greatness. Time-outs instead of REAL discipline have made us a nation of undisciplined girly men. We are reaping what we sowed. We didn't have school shootings in the 80's so what changed? How we raised our children that's what has changed. You can keep your "vision", it's no better than Hitlers vision. And it will fail just the same.

[notyou2]

Nothing.

They will let your little children die.

Thanks, Conservatives! You guys are swell!

And what will you liberals do?

Take guns from law abiding people so only criminals will have guns! You guys are Super Swell!

Let us turn the question the other way again:

What would you conservatives do?

My answer...nothing. Just as usual. Bowing low to the NRA like Obama towards an Arabian prince.

First, the Dems in power can't solve these tough issues with the current Constitution in the way. So, of course we must remove that relic and replace it with a new Constitution. One that takes away your guns and replaces them with smart technology.

Where do you live? In a log cabin with a pet grizzly bear?

Conservatives lack vision, unless that "vision" entails hate, racism, misogyny mixed in with some good old fashioned fear mongering and conspiracy theories.

If you were president, would you strap a handgun onto every teacher? Let children carry mace? These are solutions that I hear coming from conservatives! Are conservatives crazy?

I live in America; however, I guess I am some how less American if I am communist?

I do not believe in democracy, there has never been an issue of great importance that did not deal in bloodshed in one way or another. Voting only makes the masses think they have some control over a system of which they do not. Democracy is a fallacy.

So, when the order comes that you will have to give up your gun; what will you do? Hide in your log cabin? Sick your grizzly bear on the drones? Take pot shots with your blunderbuss, and retreat back into the mountains?

Conservatives and Osama Bin Laden have one thing in common...terrorism.

Reading your post made me vomit a little in my mouth.

You are living in the wrong country.... might I suggest a move to China or North Korea?

It is liberal policies that have stripped the USA of her greatness. Time-outs instead of REAL discipline have made us a nation of undisciplined girly men. We are reaping what we sowed. We didn't have school shootings in the 80's so what changed? How we raised our children that's what has changed. You can keep your "vision", it's no better than Hitlers vision. And it will fail just the same.

So you blame the parents. How do you propose to fix it Jay?

Gene testing? Parental skill testing?

Hey you, out of the gene pool!!!

Isn't this kind of like Sharia Law?

[KoolBak]

Well gip....I am honestly appalled at your comment (and it will be the last one of yours I'll read). Do you feel better having pointed the finger and passed the blame? Wow.

This was in my back yard....the kid was known as "normal", however obsessed with the military and unfortunately hitler, et al. He was a deacon in the mormon church, a good student and a member of the JROTC....parents recently divorced....family history of military service.

Who the hell knows who's gonna snap and why? He could have just as easily have used a fucking brick dude. I heard on a radio talk show the other day that Worldwide, more people die from fists and hammers than guns. People are the problem and there is unfortunately no solution BUT living by example and (god forbid you've reproduced) raising good kids,.

Later.

[Phatscotty]

Conservatives will work to re-introduce values and morals into the school system
Conservatives will work to make sure the next generation is not buried in debt
Conservatives will work to make sure the next generations opportunities are not pilfered
Conservatives will work to make life worth living and encourage the nurturing values of life
Conservatives will work to counter an empty culture

[oVo]

It is liberal policies that have stripped the USA of her greatness.

If you really believe this you must be living under a rock
and need to step away from your computer, go outside
for some fresh air and sunshine.

[Phatscotty]

what if jay had said 'progressive Liberal' policies?

[oVo]

1. Conservatives will work to re-introduce values and morals into the school system
2. Conservatives will work to make sure the next generation is not buried in debt
3. Conservatives will work to make sure the next generations opportunities are not pilfered
4. Conservatives will work to make life worth living and encourage the nurturing values of life
5. Conservatives will work to counter an empty culture

That's absurd and doesn't represent the current "conservative" agenda at all.
1. A good basic premise, but "do as I say and not as I do" won't cut it. Misogynist disrespect, intolerance of other cultures and unequal rights behind the mantra of "We want our America back" doesn't get it done either.
2. Conservatives inherited an economic surplus and squandered it (and our goodwill globally) by initiating two wars on credit. Thirteen years of war & occupation costing trillions of dollars to the benefit of American corporations doesn't help the deficit, the taxpayers or the next generation.
3. How? By ignoring the state of the world, the environment and the needs of veterans who were sent to "protect us from terrorists" while bowing to the will of corporate CEOs and big banks?
4. Reducing funding for the Arts/Culture does nothing to further the "values of life" while letting schools reduce cultural activities down to nothing while preparing our kids for the job market has no soul and has no life enhancing qualities.
5. You're either full of shit or trolling again señor Phatscotty. Ignorance requires knowledge and understanding, not nurturing.

Conservatives need to start by dealing with corruption, special interest clout, election finance reform, term limits and the conflicts of interest found in politics & government. Public servants who actually represent and serve the people instead of corporate interests would be a great start.

Conservatives need to grasp the concept of social justice, equal rights and the basic needs of American citizens. They also need to comprehend that everyone who does not share their religious beliefs or blindly follow their way of life is not a bad person.

Conservatives need to grasp the fact that uninformed ignorance is the enemy, not Liberals. We are all on the same fucking team here and when victories are credited to Republicans or Democrats it's the taxpayer who is often the loser in both instances.

[DaGip]

Reading your post made me vomit a little in my mouth.

That's good. The truth usually makes the sufferers of cognitive dissonance a bit ill. It usually happens with change. Eventually you will come to accept the change that is slowly happening, and we will gladly call you comrade.

You are living in the wrong country.... might I suggest a move to China or North Korea?

That is always the attitude wannabe conservatives use. "Get out of my country!" Well, I ain't goin' anywhere, Cowboy. I am at war for your and your children's minds! (Because if I do not succeed with you...I will most certainly succeed in persuading your children to "switch sides").

I see you did not mention Russia in your countries for me to flee to. Perhaps it is because I keep hearing conservatives say how much they respect Putin vs Obama. How Putin is a real leader and Obama is not. I mean, your hero fled to Russia, right? Snowden? Tea Party member. Ron Paul supporter. I recommend Russia for all conservatives in the United States to move to.

It is liberal policies that have stripped the USA of her greatness. Time-outs instead of REAL discipline have made us a nation of undisciplined girly men. We are reaping what we sowed. We didn't have school shootings in the 80's so what changed? How we raised our children that's what has changed. You can keep your "vision", it's no better than Hitlers vision. And it will fail just the same.

Uh, George Bush, Jr. fucked the country up and his neo-conservative buddies. And I reckon Great Britain and other European countries raise their kids in not too dissimilar ways, yet do they have school shootings FIVE FUCKING TIMES IN A FUCKING WEEK?!?!?!?

My vision is MY VISION. Not Hitler's. Not Stalin's. Not your good American buddy, Woodrow Wilson's.

I want you to accept atheism, jay. Forget about the tooth fairy. Start seeing the Universe as the Universe...not some great plan conjured up by a white gray haired old man floating in the clouds.

The hard core Liberals want all guns taken away. Hard core Conservatives say,"You can pry my rifle from my cold dead hands!" So, there must be a middle ground. What is that middle ground, jay? What is it? Conservatives bring nothing to the table, but yet everyone says that something needs to be done.

What needs to be done, jay, other than asking all the liberals to move to China?

Be realistic.

My point of view is to disarm the American populace. Your view is to arm everybody, everywhere.

Both of which are extremes. So where is the middle ground?

Here is what I purpose:

1. Enact eminent domain on all firearms in the US
2. Pay the American Citizens a "fair price" for their weapons
3. Part of this "fair price" agreement, for those that still want a weapon, would be a voucher for a smart gun
4. Failure to comply would make you a terrorist and an enemy of the state to be punished accordingly

Of course I think we all know what your proposition would be.

[Phatscotty]

Also Ovo, Conservatives did not inherit a surplus, Republicans did. I railed against them probably more than you did, to the point people called me Liberal so much I began to believe it. And surpluses aren't that simple as a party is to blame or take credit. It was called the dotcom bubble.

and to point 1, I was talking about morals and values, which are obviously limited today.

Conservatives don't have power at the moment. Technically they have maybe 40% of the Republican controlled House, but the Senate won't pass anything they send over, and the President certainly wouldn't sign much of anything if it did. Corruption affects all people. That's why I am so happy that a guy who spent 122,000 beat a guy who spent 5.5 million. It shows money doesn't always buy elections. And the incumbent re-election rate was over 90% in the last decade, maybe even 95%. After the Republican party was invaded by Conservatives, that rate was below 80% and I call that a good start. You should too.

Social justice means whatever the person using it wants it to mean, however, it always seems to be anti-Liberty, which is where I am coming from. Progressive Democrat AND Republicans have done a real number on Liberty. I seek Liberty Loving Liberals and Conservatives to help us regain sanity. You can't deny the rapid gains in 'Progress' did not come hand in hand with increased amounts of shootings.

When was the last time a religious Christian went on a murder spree in America? Why are all the murderers vapid secular Progressives? Things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmm

[KoolBak]

As I mentioned in my previous post, PS, the kid that shot his classmate at Reynolds was an upstanding member and deacon of his Mormon church.

Is that good enough?

[mrswdk]

You are living in the wrong country.... might I suggest a move to China or North Korea?

Oh, don't buy into all the propaganda. In some ways, China is even freer than a country like the US

[Phatscotty]

...

I'm so sorry for the family of the victims losses, I heard the officer was a wonderful person and left behind a loving wife and daughter. I wish someone could have been there to stop that Miller guy, otherwise, there really isn't anything anyone could have done. Rest assured, if I see anyone dressed like the joker and up to no good in my state, people are going to be more attentive and more vigilant. But it's less likely, because everyone here knows that the innocent little people that bad guy's like to pick on so much just might have a nice surprise for them.

[Phatscotty]

You are living in the wrong country.... might I suggest a move to China or North Korea?

Oh, don't buy into all the propaganda. In some ways, China is even freer than a country like the US

That's what my friend says who works there. He says "you gotta come here bro. You can do whatever you want" knowing his perv ass that probly means on-demand bj's

[Phatscotty]

As I mentioned in my previous post, PS, the kid that shot his classmate at Reynolds was an upstanding member and deacon of his Mormon church.

Is that good enough?

Well, yeah, I admit too that is a question I asked in other places months ago. I guess that's one. I wasn't only asking to make a point, I was hoping someone could correct me or at least find out how long it's been since someone like that did something like that, in which I mean, would go to church on the regular and actively followed the Bible, and then senselessly murder by shooting a bunch of people.

Before this one I hadn't got any answers, only a guess of 'Waco', but I don't think that qualifies as a mass shooting, unless you're talkin about Clinton

[jonesthecurl]

[quote="jay_a2j"
It is liberal policies that have stripped the USA of her greatness. Time-outs instead of REAL discipline have made us a nation of undisciplined girly men. We are reaping what we sowed. We didn't have school shootings in the 80's so what changed? How we raised our children that's what has changed. You can keep your "vision", it's no better than Hitlers vision. And it will fail just the same.[/quote]



Aug. 12, 1986: Five people are shot and one killed by a student at New York Technical College in Brooklyn.

Nov. 26, 1985: A high school student in Washington State dies after shooting herself the previous day. Police say the female student earlier shot and killed two 14-year-old boys, one of them her former boyfriend.


Oct. 23, 1985: The dean of Bates College in Maine is shot in the back by a sniper while standing in his kitchen in a house just off campus. The dean survives the shooting, and the captain of the school's swim team is arrested in connection with the incident.

Feb. 22, 1978: After being taunted for his beliefs, a 15-year-old self-proclaimed Nazi, kills one student and wounds a second with a Luger-style pistol in Lansing, Mich.

Dec. 30, 1974: In Olean, N.Y., Anthony Barbaro, a 17-year-old Regents scholar armed with a rifle and shotgun, kills three adults and wounds 11 others at his high school, which was closed for the Christmas holiday. Barbaro was reportedly a loner who kept a diary describing several "battle plans" for his attack on the school.

May 4, 1970: Four students are killed and nine wounded when National Guard soldiers attempt to control an antiwar demonstration at Ohio's Kent State University.

Jan. 17, 1969: Two students are shot and killed at the University of California-Los Angeles during a student meeting.

Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman climbs atop the observation deck at the University of Texas-Austin, killing 16 people and wounding 31 during a 96-minute rampage.