Hobby Lobby Ruling

[Phatscotty]

Nightstrike who are u Ayn Rands long lost son. Everyman for himself. Dog eat dog. Tough break if your company takes your job oversees u and your family can just live under and overpass.Tough break if u get cancer and u don't have any health insurance.Just die.Don't hear u complaining about all the corporate welfare handed out every year. Don't hear u complaining about the millions handed to conglomerate farming every year. Don't hear u complaining about the billions handed to big banking. But piss on the poor soul who needs a social safety net. Remember. "But for the grace of god there go I"

wow! That is amazing...NightStrike is Ayn Rand's son? And I didn't know health insurance was the cure for cancer either. You heard it from zero....if you have health insurance and cancer, you will not die. EVER!

zero, take a chillpill man! You are getting way out of hand

[patrickaa317]

The last 4 democratic presidents have been driven center right by the republicans accept on social issues.

That is going back 50 years.

Both Obama and Clinton had both the house and the senate on his side for the first 2 years of their presidencies. There were no Republicans to stop their agenda or "drive them to the right".

Lyndon B Johnson who is the 4th democratic president you speak of democratic control of both chambers of congress all 6 years he was in power.

Was counting Carter,Clinton twice and Obama.LBJ was the last president who ever did anything significant for the average American.We need to FDR to rise out of the ashes like a phoenix and give the bulk of this nation something to hope for not just the freaking 1%.

You should have counted Obama as 1.5 presidents according to your logic.

Plus why do you want to bring FDR back from the grave? Do you hate Japanese people? FDR sent them to internment camps. Is that what you want to return to? Or perhaps it was the fact that he invited only white athletes after the Olympics, leaving the black ones out with no recognition from the president.

[a6mzero]

Quit putting damn words in my mouth Scotty. I didn't say if u had health insurance and got cancer u would always live. But if u don't have health insurance and u get cancer u will always die. And u Patrick can refer to my earlier quote regarding FDR. The greatest American president hands down but the little republican rats in their holes still like to bare their fangs.Republicans will not be satisfied until they return this country to the gilded age.

[patrickaa317]

Quit putting damn words in my mouth Scotty. I didn't say if u had health insurance and got cancer u would always live. But if u don't have health insurance and u get cancer u will always die. And u Patrick can refer to my earlier quote regarding FDR. The greatest American president hands down but the little republican rats in their holes still like to bare their fangs.Republicans will not be satisfied until they return this country to the gilded age.

Can you imagine Bush or Obama putting Middle Eastern people in internment camps? Why is the one president that did that to the Japanese the greatest president in your opinion?

I think that FDR was the most vain president in the fact that all presidents before him followed the two term precedent but he felt he was above that felt he deserved four terms (as did the voters obviously)

[a6mzero]

U don't know shit from shinola son.

[a6mzero]

George Washinton and Thomas Jefferson are two of the top five presidents and they OWNED slaves.

[a6mzero]

Andrew Jackson is considered among the top 10 presidents and he was Mr.Genocide when it came to dealing with native americans.

[patrickaa317]

Andrew Jackson is considered among the top 10 presidents and he was Mr.Genocide when it came to dealing with native americans.

George Washinton and Thomas Jefferson are two of the top five presidents and they OWNED slaves.

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One (FDR falsely imprisoning the Japanese) happened within the last 75 years. The other three examples you gave were over 180 to 225 years ago. Slavery ended almost 150 years ago (which was about 75 years prior to FDR's internment camps!). It was wrong for those three presidents to do what they did but it doesn't justify the racism that existed in the modern era either.

[Metsfanmax]

Can you imagine Bush or Obama putting Middle Eastern people in internment camps?

No, that would be inconceivable.

[a6mzero]

lol good one

[patrickaa317]

Can you imagine Bush or Obama putting Middle Eastern people in internment camps?

No, that would be inconceivable.

Nice.

Unfortunately either you don't realize or didn't know that the imprisonments under FDR were all Japanese Americans (regardless of any actions). While GITMO was enemy combatants. Even though you thought it was a great gotcha moment, it was more like this:

[a6mzero]

FDR did what he thought was necessary under wartime conditions.Lincoln suspended habeus corpus during the civil war and many consider him the greatest president. Many of the people thrown into Gitmo were just in the wrong place at the wrong time or they pissed someone off and were reported to be terrorists. U have a hard on for FDR so be it however he is considered the greatest president by historians and academics. Course I realize publicans don't have much use for academics or science so your position comes as no great surprise.

[Metsfanmax]

Can you imagine Bush or Obama putting Middle Eastern people in internment camps?

No, that would be inconceivable.

Nice.

Thank you.

[patrickaa317]

FDR did what he thought was necessary under wartime conditions.Lincoln suspended habeus corpus during the civil war and many consider him the greatest president. Many of the people thrown into Gitmo were just in the wrong place at the wrong time or they pissed someone off and were reported to be terrorists. U have a hard on for FDR so be it however he is considered the greatest president by historians and academics. Course I realize publicans don't have much use for academics or science so your position comes as no great surprise.

[targetman377]

i am so glade this topic has strayed form it original intent... i mean now we can say Jesus would not want us to be like that so you should take the moral side with the conservatives... or if you like i love the liberals so much can't you see this ruling destoryes all that a women has a choice in the matter!!! I am so glade the last page of this argument has not been an logical, debate of substance but instead switched to a argument where both sides go to there taking points cause they don't have anything else to say. really this is a mute point nothing can change the courts opion so deal with it like i said before EVERYONE HAS A CHOICE!!! its the great thing about life. You don't need to attack people cause they view somthing diffrantly and if you do well then you already lost. that goes for all and if you did it before cool we are human just correct your selves and get back to the topic at hand.

[Phatscotty]

patricka, those guys don't play fair. no matter what, you are always wrong, no matter what. They aren't here for conversation, they are here posting to irritate you.

[a6mzero]

John Roberts and the 4 corporist's have a choice also.Unfortunately they choose to rule on the side of corporations instead of the people. Its a fact one of the corporist's has a wife who is a consultant for the Heritage Foundation and is the founder of Liberty Central a group associated with the tea party. He also conveniently forgot to report almost $700,000 in income his wife received from those two groups.

[a6mzero]

The goal if John Roberts and the 4 corporist's is to dismantle the progressive laws and court rulings stretching all the way back to Teddy Roosevelt. This court intends to remove all impediments to corporate,state, and local power.

[a6mzero]

John and the boys sitting around talking drinking scotch and smoking fine cigars. Hey Antonio after our voting rights ruling u think the southern states can bring back those voting booth fees ? Hey maybe they can rule only white male property owners can vote that would be swell wouldn't it? We put pretty good dent in repressing the rights of women. Remember the good old days when they were just chattel. Anyway we can repeal their right to vote? We haven't done enough for big business think we could declare the epa unconstitutional so they could dump more toxins into the air and groundwater.Those boys need higher profits so they can pour the extra money into the unfettered political donations we opened up by declaring corporations people.Man did we pull a good one with the Citizens United Ruling.(Laughter all around)

[patrickaa317]

patricka, those guys don't play fair. no matter what, you are always wrong, no matter what. They aren't here for conversation, they are here posting to irritate you.

I always enjoy Mets point of view. Though I disagree with him, he at least familiar with what he's talking about. a6m on the other hand is just good for a laugh.

[a6mzero]

At least I ain't drinking the koolaid Patrick.

[patrickaa317]

At least I ain't drinking the koolaid Patrick.

Whatever you are drinking probably has a pretty high alcohol content.

[Woodruff]

Actually, you do bring up a good point in my wording...My problem isn't actually the RULING ITSELF - rather, it is Hobby Lobby's position that led to the ruling.

It was just another angle at a law that was deemed constitutional. They only challenged a statute. Lets face it , if it was about dentures it never would have made the news.

The difference is that Hobby Lobby went about it as if religion was the issue. If they had simply stated that their insurance would not pay for those four birth control methods, there likely would never have been an outcry. Their mistake was in making it a religious issue unnecessarily and frankly stupidly. Religion didn't have a place in it because they're a business, not a religious organization.

If they had only stated their insurance wouldn't pay for those birth control methods, the government would have simply said "screw you, we mandated it be covered so cover it now". And since they can apparently mandate that we buy anything, the government would have won the case. However, since a person doesn't lose their first amendment rights, including the freedom of religion, simply because they run a business, the people sued the government for infringing on their religious freedoms. Just because you don't believe in the religion doesn't mean religious beliefs stop as soon as a person enters the public sphere.

The idea that this is a "freedom of religion" issue is ridiculous. NOBODY'S freedom of religion was being impinged. A BUSINESS IS NOT A PERSON. HOBBY LOBBY IS NOT A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION. Therefore, this is not a freedom of religion issue.

[Woodruff]

This supreme court continues us on a path to a country of the rich,by the rich and for the rich. Since Ronald Regan started the snowball rolling the top 1% have accumulated 60% of the wealth in the last 30 years.The top 10% accumulated 75% of the wealth. You can do the math of what the rest of the folks in the USA have accumulated.By tilting the tax burden toward the middle class,gutting social insurance programs,stripping away regulation of the financial industry, gutting safe guards that protect workers on the job we have reached the highest point of income inequality since 1929. We all know what happened then. No society or economy in history has continued to function under these under this type of income inequality. Yet the average joe continues to drink the koolaid the republicans keep offering.

14 of the last 30 years have been under a Democratic president, 16 under a Republican.
15 of the last 30 years have been under a Democratic senate, 15 under Republic Senate.
14 of the last 30 years have been under a Democratic house, 16 under a Republican house.

Looks like any blame should be aimed at both of the major parties.

Well said.

[Woodruff]

Keep on drinking the koolaid bro.

The "both parties are to blame" kool-aid?

He's a true believer. Nothing you can do to dissuade him.