Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

[patches70]

Around 100 AIDS researchers were on board. Obviously this was set up by the CIA, as they don't want the disease they created to be cured.

Nope. This isn't true. Since it was Obama who said that there were 100 AIDS researchers on board, that should have been your first clue it isn't true.

There were 6 AIDS researchers on board or maybe 7. How or why Obama got this wrong, I can only speculate.


http://www.afp.com/en/news/top-aids-off ... ne-not-100

And since Obama got his information from Tony Abbot, that should have been your second clue that it might not be correct.

http://m.washingtonpost.com/national/he ... story.html



Still, not that I am downplaying the number killed, 290 is a lot of people to die in such a way, but who gives a crap if the people who died were AIDS researchers or diplomats or whatever?
Does the fact that supposedly 100 AIDS researchers dying is worse than just 100 regular people?

Well, I guess if it had been 100 politicians on the plane some people might be like- "Hmmm, well that's a good start." So maybe what people's jobs in life may indeed make a scene like this even more or even less tragic. I dunno.

But there weren't 100 AIDS researchers on the plane. That's just probably not correct at all. There were some, but no where near "around 100" that has been cited by certain dubious and known lying politicians....

[DaGip]

Has there been confirmation if 23 Americans were on board?

There were 300 Americans on board. Who cares who was on board? There were human beings on board, isn't that enough for the World to do something? Not just America, but the World itself? This needs to be handled at the United Nations to help deescalate tensions right now.

[mrswdk]

Does the fact that supposedly 100 AIDS researchers dying is worse than just 100 regular people?

Yes.

[GoranZ]

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 effect...

[patches70]

Does the fact that supposedly 100 AIDS researchers dying is worse than just 100 regular people?

Yes.

Well then, you should be happy that it wasn't actually a 100 AIDS researchers who died in the plane crash. Luckily it was only about a half dozen. That should be a great relief to you.

[Agent 86]

Yes it's confirmed, six Aids experts are no longer able to help with the cause

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... s-six.html

[patches70]

Yes it's confirmed, six Aids experts are no longer able to help with the cause

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... s-six.html

Whoa whoa! It was a 100 Aids experts who were killed. Get the story correct! Who cares if that particular story is true or not, right?



Haha, and that's kind of funny, your link, since it was the Australians who first claimed it was around a 100 Aids researchers who died in the crash.

Oh well, I'm sure the loss of just six or seven won't make much difference one way or the other in the fight against Aids. So worry not your troubled hearts. It's all going to be all right.

On another note, nearly half of the total of those killed were women, dozens of which were pretty hot, which in my book is a greater tragedy than six or so nerds.

But to each his own I guess.

[DaGip]

Yes it's confirmed, six Aids experts are no longer able to help with the cause

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... s-six.html

Whoa whoa! It was a 100 Aids experts who were killed. Get the story correct! Who cares if that particular story is true or not, right?



Haha, and that's kind of funny, your link, since it was the Australians who first claimed it was around a 100 Aids researchers who died in the crash.

Oh well, I'm sure the loss of just six or seven won't make much difference one way or the other in the fight against Aids. So worry not your troubled hearts. It's all going to be all right.

On another note, nearly half of the total of those killed were women, dozens of which were pretty hot, which in my book is a greater tragedy than six or so nerds.

But to each his own I guess.

You are a very sick minded individual and should be ashamed for making such a statement.

[patches70]

Yes it's confirmed, six Aids experts are no longer able to help with the cause

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... s-six.html

Whoa whoa! It was a 100 Aids experts who were killed. Get the story correct! Who cares if that particular story is true or not, right?



Haha, and that's kind of funny, your link, since it was the Australians who first claimed it was around a 100 Aids researchers who died in the crash.

Oh well, I'm sure the loss of just six or seven won't make much difference one way or the other in the fight against Aids. So worry not your troubled hearts. It's all going to be all right.

On another note, nearly half of the total of those killed were women, dozens of which were pretty hot, which in my book is a greater tragedy than six or so nerds.

But to each his own I guess.

You are a very sick minded individual and should be ashamed for making such a statement.

I'm not the one saying one person's life is worth more than another person's life like the rest of you are.

So it's a greater tragedy because 100 aids researchers died on the plane. Never mind that this is total bullshit and not true at all, but if people like mswlkd thinking that this 100 died, then mswlkd should be at least 90% less disturbed by the tragedy now that she knows it was only 6 or so who died. Never mind all the other people, right?


To me it doesn't matter if it was a plane load of single mothers or aids activists. It's as bad either way, because I don't put a price on people's heads just because certain people may have worked in one of my pet issue fields.

The world needs researchers. It also needs mothers, fathers, sons and daughters. It needs ditch diggers, it needs doctors. It needs soldiers, it needs police, it needs public servants, it needs teachers. The world needs everyone. 290 people died for no good reason and it doesn't make it more tragic that half a dozen of them were aids researchers. And it sure as hell doesn't do justice to all those who died by lying about the fields of those who died.

How ridiculous you sound- "OMG 100 aids researchers died in a plane crash! What a tragedy. Oh, and yeah, so did another 190 people but who gives a shit about them, they weren't trying to find a cure for aids."

Yeah, there is some disgusting shit all right, you might wanna look at the mirror to find your fair share of it.

[Metsfanmax]

I'm not the one saying one person's life is worth more than another person's life like the rest of you are.

That's not really the point. It's not that an AIDS researcher's life is worth more than someone else's; it's that there's a collective effect larger than the sum of the parts. If the victims were spread evenly throughout a number of disciplines, the effect on any one aspect of society would be minimal. However, 100 AIDS researchers dying at all once would have a very serious effect on the field of AIDS research as a whole, that is not the same as one person dying. To insist that we shouldn't be sad about something like that is absurd. It doesn't demean the lives of the other people on the plane.

[Agent 86]

Yes it's confirmed, six Aids experts are no longer able to help with the cause

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... s-six.html

Whoa whoa! It was a 100 Aids experts who were killed. Get the story correct! Who cares if that particular story is true or not, right?



Haha, and that's kind of funny, your link, since it was the Australians who first claimed it was around a 100 Aids researchers who died in the crash.

Oh well, I'm sure the loss of just six or seven won't make much difference one way or the other in the fight against Aids. So worry not your troubled hearts. It's all going to be all right.

On another note, nearly half of the total of those killed were women, dozens of which were pretty hot, which in my book is a greater tragedy than six or so nerds.

But to each his own I guess.

What a shame you think this way, your written skills are lacking..I'm sure you don't really mean what you said. Yes it's a tragedy of many happening to often in this day and age.

http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-n ... 6994900451

When will it stop, who knows??

[DaGip]

Yes it's confirmed, six Aids experts are no longer able to help with the cause

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... s-six.html

Whoa whoa! It was a 100 Aids experts who were killed. Get the story correct! Who cares if that particular story is true or not, right?



Haha, and that's kind of funny, your link, since it was the Australians who first claimed it was around a 100 Aids researchers who died in the crash.

Oh well, I'm sure the loss of just six or seven won't make much difference one way or the other in the fight against Aids. So worry not your troubled hearts. It's all going to be all right.

On another note, nearly half of the total of those killed were women, dozens of which were pretty hot, which in my book is a greater tragedy than six or so nerds.

But to each his own I guess.

You are a very sick minded individual and should be ashamed for making such a statement.

I'm not the one saying one person's life is worth more than another person's life like the rest of you are.

So it's a greater tragedy because 100 aids researchers died on the plane. Never mind that this is total bullshit and not true at all, but if people like mswlkd thinking that this 100 died, then mswlkd should be at least 90% less disturbed by the tragedy now that she knows it was only 6 or so who died. Never mind all the other people, right?


To me it doesn't matter if it was a plane load of single mothers or aids activists. It's as bad either way, because I don't put a price on people's heads just because certain people may have worked in one of my pet issue fields.

The world needs researchers. It also needs mothers, fathers, sons and daughters. It needs ditch diggers, it needs doctors. It needs soldiers, it needs police, it needs public servants, it needs teachers. The world needs everyone. 290 people died for no good reason and it doesn't make it more tragic that half a dozen of them were aids researchers. And it sure as hell doesn't do justice to all those who died by lying about the fields of those who died.

How ridiculous you sound- "OMG 100 aids researchers died in a plane crash! What a tragedy. Oh, and yeah, so did another 190 people but who gives a shit about them, they weren't trying to find a cure for aids."

Yeah, there is some disgusting shit all right, you might wanna look at the mirror to find your fair share of it.

What does make it more tragic than other deaths is that these were a group of innocent, defenseless humans taking a plane ride on a perfectly functional plane and then they were murdered out of the air at 30,000 feet while their corpses rained down on sunflower fields and houses.

For you to say the real tragedy was that hot girls died and that these hot chicks were somehow more valuable to the world because they were hot chicks is completely shallow and uncalled for and you should apologize for making such an insensitive remark.

And I never made any statements about 100 AIDS researchers. If I did, please post what I said. I believe you are getting me confused with someone else. I would agree with you that it is absurd to lead people to believe that somehow the lives of AIDS researchers are more valuable than the regular individual and that just because you are an AIDS researcher it all of a sudden makes the tragedy a bit more tragic. I also would agree that claiming America's priority is to find out if there were any Americans on board. Yes, you can make that a priority; but you don't say that on the world stage as Obama did. So, no...I don't worship Obama nor do I think he is perfect in all the things he does. He is who he is.

And I don't claim to be perfect in all I say or do, I have the human right to change my mind. Change is the only way we will ever see progress into the future, and I am willing to have the humility to do so and live my life with an open mind towards solutions...real solutions.

If Obama and his administration are offering solutions, then Republicans should be working with him and not against him in solving these problems. It's quite simple really.

So, instead of taking your anger out on some commie/libtard, you had better take a good hard look at the mirror yourself. Maybe you'll finally wake up and start being a part of the solution and not the problem.

[isaiah40]

Here is an interesting take on the crash. The bodies aren't "fresh"!?

[DaGip]

Here is an interesting take on the crash. The bodies aren't "fresh"!?

You get your news from this guy too?



"Keep your eyes open."

[Pirlo]

2 Malaysia airline tragedies in one year.. that sucks.. I hope no more, but it still makes me think twice before I book a ticket on a Malaysia plane even though I'm not a superstitious man

[patches70]

For you to say the real tragedy was that hot girls died and that these hot chicks were somehow more valuable to the world because they were hot chicks is completely shallow and uncalled for and you should apologize for making such an insensitive remark.

No.

It's not my fault your sarcasm detector isn't working, you should get that checked. If others can arbitrarily determine that aids researchers are more tragic than other regular people dying, then why can't I arbitrarily determine my own criteria of what is a more tragic death?
It highlights the absurdity of mrswlkd's position.

And I never made any statements about 100 AIDS researchers. If I did, please post what I said. I believe you are getting me confused with someone else.

You called me sick for mocking mrswlkd's position that it was more tragic because she believed (falsely) that 100 aids researchers had died. Thus I figured you were implying that you agreed with her. Maybe my sarcasm detector isn't working either....

I would agree with you that it is absurd to lead people to believe that somehow the lives of AIDS researchers are more valuable than the regular individual and that just because you are an AIDS researcher it all of a sudden makes the tragedy a bit more tragic.

Hey! Look! You agree with me! Well how 'bout dat?

I also would agree that claiming America's priority is to find out if there were any Americans on board.

I didn't say that either, but ok. I think individual's priority would be to find out if their loved ones were on that plane. But yeah, whatever.

Yes, you can make that a priority; but you don't say that on the world stage as Obama did.

Ok. If you say so. I don't know why Obama said what he said and I don't really care. I don't really listen much to him, he talks a lot. I guess he felt he needed to say something I suppose.

So, no...I don't worship Obama nor do I think he is perfect in all the things he does. He is who he is.

Umm, ok? I think it's pretty safe to say Obama isn't perfect in all things he does.

And I don't claim to be perfect in all I say or do, I have the human right to change my mind. Change is the only way we will ever see progress into the future, and I am willing to have the humility to do so and live my life with an open mind towards solutions...real solutions.

Hmmm, ok then.

If Obama and his administration are offering solutions, then Republicans should be working with him and not against him in solving these problems. It's quite simple really.

Uhh...are we still talking about the plane crash here?

So, instead of taking your anger out on some commie/libtard, you had better take a good hard look at the mirror yourself. Maybe you'll finally wake up and start being a part of the solution and not the problem.

Ok, you don't think I shot down that plane do you? Because I can assure you I didn't. We are still talking about the plane crash and the absurdity of mrswlkd's position that it was made more tragic because there were aids researchers on the plane, right? Because I thought we established that we agree on that and that was my only point other than it's horrible all those people died so needlessly, aids researchers or not. So I guess we are both part of the same problem? Or are we the same solution?
Meh, whatever, someone shot down a planeload of innocent people. They had all kinds of different jobs and lives. The probably all had families, people who cared about them and it's pretty horrible that they died like they did. My sincerest condolences to all the families of the victims.

I guess we can politicize the event, but that's not really my cup of tea. But by all means, knock yourself out, I won't stand in your way.

[mrswdk]

We can and do put a price on a person's worth. It's called a salary.

[isaiah40]

Here is an interesting take on the crash. The bodies aren't "fresh"!?

You get your news from this guy too?



"Keep your eyes open."

No, I just saw a link on my FB page and decided to read the article. Makes you think about what really happened.

[patches70]

We can and do put a price on a person's worth. It's called a salary.

Holy shit! Then you admit that rich people are better than everyone else! Imagine how upset you'd be if that plane had been filled with billionaire capitalists! Or rich bankers. Or wall street lawyers, all of which would make much larger salaries than aids researchers and thus, by your standards apparently, more tragic if they had been on the plane instead.

Sheesh, that's pretty messed up, mrswdk. You might wanna rethink that.

[Metsfanmax]

We can and do put a price on a person's worth. It's called a salary.

Holy shit! Then you admit that rich people are better than everyone else! Imagine how upset you'd be if that plane had been filled with billionaire capitalists! Or rich bankers. Or wall street lawyers, all of which would make much larger salaries than aids researchers and thus, by your standards apparently, more tragic if they had been on the plane instead.

Sheesh, that's pretty messed up, mrswdk. You might wanna rethink that.

So as a thought experiment. Imagine that there are 100 people on the plane and 50 of them are eighth grade students on their first class field trip. If that plane crashed and all those kids died, you wouldn't find that to be a greater tragedy than if the people on the plane were randomly selected from the population?

[patches70]

We can and do put a price on a person's worth. It's called a salary.

Holy shit! Then you admit that rich people are better than everyone else! Imagine how upset you'd be if that plane had been filled with billionaire capitalists! Or rich bankers. Or wall street lawyers, all of which would make much larger salaries than aids researchers and thus, by your standards apparently, more tragic if they had been on the plane instead.

Sheesh, that's pretty messed up, mrswdk. You might wanna rethink that.

So as a thought experiment. Imagine that there are 100 people on the plane and 50 of them are eighth grade students on their first class field trip. If that plane crashed and all those kids died, you wouldn't find that to be a greater tragedy than if the people on the plane were randomly selected from the population?

A tragedy is a tragedy. Mrswdk is the one who said it was more tragic because there were aids researchers on there. To her the aids researchers have more value than regular. I wonder how she determines said value that makes it more tragic, and her reply is "salaries", which is laughable. I'd think even you would probably admit that.
So of course I can't help myself and take her views further and offer that she should be thankful that the plane wasn't filled with a bunch of executive bankers as by her accounting would be far more tragic than a plane load of aids researchers because the salaries of the bankers would be far greater.

Then there is your argument, that the aids researchers have more value because they are so specialized. Well, bankers are specialized as well. In fact bankers affect more people's lives than aids researchers ever could. Thus, the bankers are even more important than the aids researchers. Aids research requires money after all, and the bankers have it.

But I can safely say that there are quite a few people who wouldn't shed a tear for a plane load of bankers dying on a plane. And being as how mrswkd likes to rail against capitalism, I simply challenge her perceptions.


And as much as any of us could ever argue about what's more tragic, I'll bet you that the actual families of the people who died feel a whole hell of a lot worse than the rest of us ever could, no matter what jobs their dead loved ones may have done.

For most of us, we feel sympathy, but our lives go on the same as always. Doesn't matter if it was a plane load of aids researchers, orphans, doctors or whomever, our lives go on uninterrupted. It's the families and friends of those who died who feel the brunt of the pain.

How my sarcasm offended dagip is how mrswdk's view offended me. Good luck quantifying what offends people, mets. Not to mention mrswkd's "100 aids researchers were on the plane" falsehood had to be corrected because it simply wasn't true. If people are going to state "facts" about who died then at the very least those facts should actually be true, don't ya think?

Needless deaths are bad enough, but to insert that "oh it's so much worse because this person did this job" is offensive to me. Like it or not, that's just how I feel. So go do your own thought experiments and go ahead and keep putting people into categories of who is more important than who. I'm sure you'll happily inflate your own importance to the world.

[Metsfanmax]

Needless deaths are bad enough, but to insert that "oh it's so much worse because this person did this job" is offensive to me. Like it or not, that's just how I feel. So go do your own thought experiments and go ahead and keep putting people into categories of who is more important than who. I'm sure you'll happily inflate your own importance to the world.

So you've spent several posts explaining to people why they shouldn't feel sad that AIDS researchers died, because they have a fundamental misunderstanding of the way the world works, and we're the ones with the big egos?

[BigBallinStalin]

lol. Y'all debating about the relative value of various human occupations is hilarious.

Here's a internal thread poll:

How many fucks would you give if the following happened:

100 AIDS researchers spontaneously combusted?

100 ten-outta-ten women spontaneously combusted?

100 children of good potential spontaneously combusted?

100 average black people spontaneously combusted?

100 average women spontaneously combusted?

[mrswdk]

People usually get rich doing things that other people are prepared to give them a lot of money to do. People who get paid little are paid little because people are not prepared to pay them much money for what they are doing. It is not too much of a leap to deduce that the world as a whole values those wealthy people, and their capabilities, more. That is why it gives them more money to do what they do.

You are welcome to continue living in your little world in which everyone is equal to everyone else and no one ever finishes last in races, but alas you will not be living in the real world.

[Pope Joan]

Hi! Sad news it is but it is going to get much worse: I kept telling it a while ago...

Anyway, here is a technical briefing by Russian Defence Ministry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrhEzecCdTI
The interpreter is a mistress of the general, so the quality is poor

A few most important points:
1) A ukrainian military plane is in the area, despite what was claimed by ukrainians.
2) The Boeing is losing the speed heavily and weers off the international corridor before disappearing from the radars.
3) At the end it is (falsely) claimed that the BUK-M1 from the internet video with a missing missle is actually in Krasnoarmeysk,
controlled by Kiev. This is false:
http://www.stopfake.org/fejk-ukrainskaya-armiya-transportirovala-zrk-buk-bez-odnoj-rakety-po-podkontrolnoj-territorii
4) At the end the general confesses everything: we did not supply BUK-M1 to the rebels, as we did not supply them any other weapons

IMHO, the plane is downed by rebels. If it were not downed by rebels, it must be ukrainians, then Putin would accuse Ukraine. But Putin is silent... because he is not a man who tells porky-pies