universalchiro wrote:Dukasaur wrote:isaiah40 wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:There are lineages given, but that is not the full and consistent record many young earthers imply. there are some ambiguities.
Really?? The Jewish calendar is in the year 5700 and something. Their calendar goes back to when Adam was created!
The Jews didn't begin keeping written records until the release from Babylon and the rebuilding of the Temple. Everything before that was only written down after the fact. The authors of the Bible were mainly relying on verbal tradition, and using guesswork to fill in the gaps. The first books which have some degree of historical accuracy are 1 and 2 Kings. Everything before that was largely conjecture, woven together from old poems from different sources, and modified as necessary to fit a particular narrative.
No wonder you reject the Bible, your starting point of information is in error.
The first five books were written by Moses and four of them are regarding events he eye witnessed.
So recorded keeping from eye witness accounts of first hand information is all the books but Genesis. Not exile from Babylon.
Secondly, you say, the first books that have some degree of historical accuracy is Kings? That's wrong too. For all the events in the Bible 100%, there has been never been anything found in the Bible to not be 100% accurate to history, geography, chemistry or any of the sciences.
The Bible records all scripture are the Words of God written by inspiration of men.
I accept you don't believe the Bible, but don't try to pad your claim with statements that lack accuracy and knowledge.
There is no independent source for the alleged writing of the first five books by "Moses." In fact, there is no independent source verifying that this Moses existed. The dramatic events recorded in Exodus would certainly have been of earth-shaking importance to the Egyptians, who were meticulous record-keepers, but no such events are recorded on any Egyptian tablet. It is totally implausible that spectacular miracles as described in Exodus would have passed by without comment from the Egyptians.
Nobody knows for sure, but the theory that I find most plausible is that Exodus was concocted as inspirational resistance literature during the Babylonian captivity, a sort-of "Les Miserables" for the Jews fighting for the resistance in Babylon.
As far as the other books, again, no independent verification, no connection to anything remotely similar to actual events. The radical shifts in language in Genesis show that it was written by three different authors speaking three different dialects of Hebrew, and only later woven together into a single book. Ecclesiastes is a lovely book, but the idea that it was written by "Solomon" is ridiculous. Solomon's original palace has been very thoroughly excavated, and there is no evidence of any writing implements whatsoever. It is quite likely that Solomon and his entire court were illiterate. There is no evidence that the Jews took up writing any earlier than about 650 B.C.
A brief summary of generally-accepted scholarship into the origins of the Pentateuch:
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/authenticityoldtest.htmlThe character of the writings of the Pentateuch preclude the possibility of unity of authorship, and consequently the Mosaic authorship of the work as a whole. The books of the Pentateuch were not all composed by one author. The book of Genesis is not the work of one author. The first two chapters of Genesis were not written by the same writer. The Pentateuch was written by various writers and at various times. The Pentateuch comprises four large documents known as the Elohistic and Jehovistic documents, and the Deuteronomic and Priestly Codes. They are distinguished by the initial letters E, J, D, and P.
E and J include the greater portion of Genesis and extend through the other books of the Pentateuch, as well as through Joshua, Judges, Samuel, and Kings. D includes the greater portion of Deuteronomy, fragments of the preceding books, and a large portion of Joshua. P includes the greater portion of the middle books of the Pentatench and smaller portions of the other books. The author of each of these doclumenta incorporated into his work one or more older documents. These four works were afterwards united by successive editors or redactors. E and J were first fused into one. A subsequent redactor united D with this, and still later another united this compilation with P. In addition to these principal documents there are several minor codes, chief of which is the Holiness Code comprising ten chapters of Leviticus, 17-26. There are also several poems written by various authors; Thus the Pentateuch instead of being the product of one mind is the work of many writers and compilers, probably twenty or more; These documents, especially the principal ones, notwithstanding the intermingling of their contents, are easily distinguished and separated from each other by Bible critics.
The thoughts of the human mind, like the features of the human face, exhibit variation and assume different forms. We who are familiar with faces have no difficulty in distinguishing those people that we know. No two faces are alike. Critics who have devoted their lives to literature can distinguish the writings of individuals almost as readily as we distinguish the faces of individuals: There are certain idioms of language, certain peculiarities of style, belonging to each writer. The language and style of the books of the Bible are quite dissimilar. To quote Dr. Briggs: "There is as great a difference in style between the documents of the Hexateuch as there is between the Four Gospels."
The principal documents are thus described by this critic: "E is brief, terse, and archaic; graphic, plastic, and realistic; written in the theocratic interest of the kingdom of God. J is poetical and descriptive, the best narrative in the Bible, giving us the history of the kingdom of redemption. D is rhetorical and hortatory, practical and earnest, written in the more theological interest of the training of the nation in the fatherly instruction of God. P is annalistic and diffuse, fond of names and dates, written in the interest of the priestly order, and emphasizing the sovereignty of the Holy God and the sanctity of the divine institutions" [Hexateuch, p. 265].
Each document abounds with characteristio words and phrases peculiar to that document. Holzinger notes 108 belonging to E and 125 belonging to J. Canon Driver gives 41 belonging to D and 50 belonging to P. One of the chief distinguishing marks is the term used to designate the Deity. In E it is Elohim, translated God; in J, Jehovah (Yahweh) Elohim, translated Lord God. In D the writer continually uses the phrase "The Lord thy God," this phrase occurring more than 200 times. "I am Jehovah" is a phrase used by P, including the Holiness Code, 70 times. It is never used by E or D. "God of the Fathers" is frequently used by E and D ; never by P.
Bishop Colenso's analysis of Genesis is as follows: Elohist, 336 verses; Jehovist, 1,052 verses; Deuteronomist, 39 verses; Priestly writer, 106 verses. The Pentateuch was chiefly written and compiled from seven to ten centuries after the time claimed. The Elohistic and Jehovistic documents, the oldest of the four, were written at least 300 years after the time of David and 700 years after the time of Moses. They were probably written at about the same time. E belongs to the Northern Kingdom of Israel, J to the Southern Kingdom of Judah. The unanimous verdict of critics is that Deuteronomy was written during the reign of Josiah, about 626 BCE, 825 years after Moses died. The Holiness Code belongs to the age of Ezekiel, about fifty years later. The Priestly Code was written after the Exile, in the time of Ezra, 1,000 years after Moses. Important changes and additions were made as late as the third century BCE, so that with the exception of variations and interpolations made in later years, the Pentateuch in its present form appeared about 1,200 years after the time of Moses.
). According to the ancient Egyptians they were making pyramids in the same time when the bible is mentioning Noah's flood. Whats interesting the evidence of their pyramids is visible, but the evidence for the global flood is nowhere to be seen. On top of everything ancient Egyptians at that time were uncomparably more educated then the people that wrote the bible.
... On top of everything as Dukasaur said before me Egyptians dont have records about the events written in Exodus 
